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3/5 only for people getting out of pools is a pretty big finger to a ton of people.
Pretty much. 
What an answer.
Well they have their own tournies to run and honestly adding any time to each game would start this snowball effect which could potentially make the whole tournament run late. The difference is that (assuming EVO is the same as last 2 years) each pool is already locked into 16 person pools which last ~2 hours. Additionally, the length of time of this pool is coupled to the length of time for a pool of a different game. For example, if AE and Marvel pools ran at the same time, they were expected to end at the same time. Thus if Marvel runs longer, it shouldn’t matter as long as it runs on time. That being said, it’s not our tournament and we can’t make the rules. TOs always try to do what’s best for their tournament. If MrWizard and ShinBlanka are adamant about not doing 3/5, I’m sure they have a good reason. I don’t personally agree with the time reason, but if UMvC3 really does run long (which I personally haven’t noticed in the dozens of tournies that I’ve attended; especially in comparison to the other games) then 2/3 will have to do.
Keits mentioned a long time ago at WakeupSRK that his experience in UFGT is that most of the pools are 3-0 scrub curbstomp affairs, so 3/5 doesn’t really affect the pools running time much. It only starts to take significantly more time in the later stages where you have good players matching up against each other more often.
Signed but I hold no hope for this. If EVO honestly cared about catering to the players they’d make sure Marvel is played on the best possible system for said game.
At this point EVO has invested too much money into the PS3 setups to reasonably switch systems now, especially since Sony is a big sponsor of the event. Changing Marvel sets from 2/3 to 3/5 is something that can be easily be adjusted. 2/3 sets is not how the Marvel community plays the game at this point in time, and I am well aware of the difficulties that running a huge event like EVO entails, but I think 3/5 sets should be a priority for all sets, not just top 128. Plus, I was reading on smashboards that Melee is going to be running their standard sets of 4 stock/8 minutes, why deny Marvel its “standard” rules when other games (such as Street Figher, Persona, etc) are not forced to change? As others have stated, Marvel is already one of the fastest games to run at EVO this year, so that should be kept in mind. I really enjoyed EVO last year, and I think this is a change that will make the tournament experience better for everyone, not just the top 128.
Larry crunched some numbers and switched Final Round to 3/5 about a week ago.
Pretty much this. Other games will have the players do a set that lasts longer than 3/5 Marvel and have been using similar tournaments advancement layouts for some years also.
Sorry. I was only going by what another poster was saying. I should’ve quoted him.
Huh, I didn’t know. Thanks!
Good point. In that case, I guess we can hope for Final Round to set a good example for MrWizard.
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<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“sjohnst2”>This might be a convenient place to post some numbers. How long does it take to run a pool with 2/3? With 3/5? Are those numbers known for last EVO? are delays by players or bracket runners extremely large or unpredictable?<br />
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This is a question that is going to come up over and over again. If we as players understand it better we can put a damper on flare ups from complainers.</blockquote>
I think what has to be asked is; will 2/3 effect pools matches in a significant way, will any added time be worth these effects and how fast can they actually be done compared to other games?
I mean really, 3/5 seems like it just adds one more game for the bracket worthy player to play against low levels which is nice and all but time is an issue just to give them one more game. As for better players it seems to add more stress when it’s only pools and 2/3 would suffice to choose the winner. I’m sure Wizard would consider doing as many games as possible but it seems like Evo is going to run long as it is regardless of how fast MvC can do 3/5 and it WILL add a significant amount of time. Can Marvel 3/5 be done than every other game in 2/3? I think that’s the only thing that would make this change more reasonable.
I really feel Marvel needs 3/5s. The game has too many moments of awkward momentum swings. The nature of the game is very brutal if 1 mistake is made. We aren’t given rounds like other fighters to make up for 1 bad move. In most games you’re getting 2 - 3 games of 2/3 rounds (4 - 9 game possible). If you keep it this way in pools, it’s very easy for lesser players to get a lucky break and knock out players that should be winning with more matches. Also this gives minimal time to read you opponent. If you lose, you have only that 1 round to assess what went wrong, if you got happy b-dayed from the start you didn’t glean anything.
I think a lot of people are underestimating how much time this would add to the tourney. Assuming the extra rounds adds no more than 4 minutes a match, nobody takes a ton of extra time on character select and that each round within a pool is played simultaneously so that time is kept at a minimum, you’re still adding 40-60 minutes per pool. There were six sets of pools last year, so if the set up is the same, the extra games would add between 4 and 6 <i>hours</i> to Marvel. Seeing as how there’s two more games this year and that pools lasted all day last year, I don’t see how that extra time is viable.
It’s also worth noting that the first rounds of any tournament aren’t always full of skilled players only, and thus, it ain’t unreasonable to say that a lot of the matches for the first round don’t actually need 3/5.
What might work is to allow the qualifying matches of each pool (winners finals and losers final) to be 3/5.
This method is much more realistic. Adding it the whole way is a waste of time and resources in my opinion.
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<div class=“QuoteText”>Get rid of shitxshit and Persona, now you got time to run 3/5 pools</div>
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<p>Signed I know im random but im not getting randomed into losers like i did last year 2nd match because of 2/3</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>
I agree, it’s Evo’s fault Capcom can’t program for PS3.
The official EVO Ruleset says: http://shoryuken.com/2013/04/15/the-evo-tournament-format-and-ruleset/
If UMVC3 is going to be 2/3, you’re violating your own rules.
See https://twitter.com/MrWizardSRK/status/324209208474103810
What’s the community standard for 1500+ attendees?
You see, most FGC events don’t ever have to deal with those numbers and that’s why it’s a lot easier for them to run 3/5 all the way.
If all our community events had those entries, then you can be sure that the community standard would be pretty similar to what EVO currently does.