No, Mars has never bashed HDR (not to my knowledge). And IMO he didn’t do anything wrong by posting a ST event in the HDR forum. But only cuz he’s Mars. If it was VFF, I’d be jumping all over that b****h. But cuz it’s Mars, it’s ok. LOL
That was a joke btw. The problem is, the real problem IMO, is that ST players can’t have it both ways. They can’t come into the HDR forums and bash the game or promote ST’s superiority (their delusional opinions of ST’s superiority, both games are equal IMO), and at the same time, post about ST-only events hoping to ride the “support SF2” bandwagon.
Either they stop bashing HDR (and that includes subtly trying to ruin HDR’s name by claiming low turnouts at events, so what if there are low turnouts, has ST never had low turnouts in its 15 year history? it definitely has, HDR’s low turnouts are no different), and then I will have no problem with ST-only events in the HDR forums.
But if the ST-purists continue to bash HDR (and this includes posters like damdai, Ganelon, papasi, Corrosive, Rambo, Cigarbob, etc), then their ST-only events are not welcome in the HDR forums. You guys obviously don’t love this game.
That would be the equivalent of a HDR purist who is known to dislike ST, posting about HDR-only events in the ST forums. You can’t have it both ways.
If the purists want to post in the HDR forums, then they should put the negativity aside and only try to promote HDR. If they can’t do that, then I suggest they only post in the other forum. 'Nuff said.
On the EC, HDR and ST’s turnout hasn’t been much different recently but most tourney players prefer the latter. That’s why we need extra reason to play HDR, and that reason (in the form of players) isn’t there. At NEC, we had 1 HDR fan (who didn’t enter ST) and that was it. Even then, some players were likely still willing to enter HDR if there was more time.
As for what I’ve done, I posted listings about 2 events this year on the tourney thread and both of them were for HDR. And I’ve run no less than 5 HDR tourneys that may not have otherwise happened. Meanwhile, damdai saved a year of competitive HDR by having Gouki banned before it was too late, Corrosive actively invited players to HDR and put down money for an HDR pot, and CigarBoB made sure that Ken’s broken dp x2 was fixed prior to release. That’s not even taking into account the number of HDR events that I know the EC players attended. It’s hard for me to believe that going to 10 times the amount of tourneys equates to no love instead of more care.
Anyway, if someone wants to post about a new HDR gathering in the ST forum, even though it’s technically off-topic, I’d be willing to let it be as long as there are no put downs involved. If you read Mars’s post, he doesn’t mention anything negative about HDR or make a personal attack. And I think the latter is a major epidemic here. Rather than trying to come up with ideas to help or improve the situation, it’s much, much easier (and probably satisfying) to place blame.
blitzfu, I know you play online HDR often. Can you do your best to convince online HDR players to enter offline HDR events? Maybe create a gathering yourself in your area much as Mars is trying to do for ST? I know you worked on the HDR wiki but I’m not sure it’s been effective at bringing in new tourney players. Nudging them directly while you’re playing a set ought to be a better way to promote HDR’s scene (if that’s what you’re interested in).
I can’t believe it. You’re honestly pretending that the HDR community has NOT suffered uncalled for abuse and condescension at the hands of certain members of the ST playing community?
… or, that such abuse was justified (by virtue of past contributions to the HDR community made by the aforementioned abusive people), while any reaction to it on the part of the abused is useless and counterproductive?
Heads, glorious ST master race wins; tails, reactionary denizens of the HDR babyzone lose.
HDR has definitely received plenty of resentment in the past few months. But that wasn’t always the case. There’s a cause and effect here. Some folks have the mistaken view that HDR numbers at tourneys fell after players started disliking it. And maybe in some areas, that was the case. But from what I’ve seen in my area, dislike of HDR originated -after- HDR numbers at tourneys fell. I still clearly remember NEC in Dec 2009, before any ST gatherings re-emerged, where damdai and I right after the tourney, both intent on growing the HDR scene, were just sharing frustration at the low HDR turnout and how little people cared to show up. Maybe if more HDR fans appeared and stayed, we’d still be playing HDR now.
So when a few current HDR fans (some of the very ones that we wanted to have participate 1-2 years ago) continually say that ST fans in general are responsible for the game’s decline, it’s hard to digest the irony. For me, it’s like saying that Bobby Bowden ruined FSU football by leaving it in a mediocre state (even though he was the one who built it into a powerhouse in the first place). Folks I know have been to a dozen HDR tourneys and we’re being told that we aren’t interested in the game? That I just decided one day that HDR was an awful game? I don’t expect folks to completely understand the situation since most don’t live in the EC area but I expect an open mind. Wholesale demonizing (which has occurred at both ends) grows very tiresome.
Like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t mind seeing 50 players in an HDR tourney right now compared to 30 players in an ST tourney. But there’s no noticeable attempt to figure out how to get more HDR players at events. Instead, the focus appears to be attacking any post that puts ST in a positive light, which seems petty and misguided. The goal should be exactly as Mars has it: to foster communities of players. But right now, many HDR fans seem content with just playing online, which is just fine for many but doesn’t help maintain the tourney scene. Silver Rain seems to have this participatory attitude down with his topic and hopefully he can draw people in the midwest. But there are still others (many of whom don’t post here) that could do a lot by shedding their apathy.
You’ll have to excuse my laughter if you really believe CigarBob supported HDR just because he happened to find Ken’s broken dp juggle. What kind of fucked up logic is that? This is probably some of the dumbest shit I’ve heard on here yet, no offense.
Sure, damdai may have played/supported HDR in the beginning, but I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist (who makes “rocket-assisted aluminum bats”) to figure out what soured HDR for him. I’ll give you 2 hints: 1) babyzone 2) [media=youtube]oXc1jEjGGgk[/media]
I support anyone making an effort to support SF2. but in general, ST guys are dick heads compared to the HDR guys. If I had things my way, we would all be playing hyper. everyone needs to put aside their prides and realize that sf2 is dying. I might switch to ssf4 soon too, just cuz the scene is still active. putting up with the bullshit that is ssf4 and the bullshit of our sf2 community is almost about equal right now.
Once you start hearing idiots scream “FREE, GOD LIKE, JUSTIN WONG, DIEEEGOOO, MONAYYY MATTCCHH NIIIIIGGGGAAA, CHRIIIIIIS HUUUUUU” every TWO seconds watching streams/playing at tournaments kind of gets annoying. Not only that but the game is just so odd too play competitively IMO. Also a huge amount of SSF4 players are like extremely socially awkward. It also seems that players tend to put you in extremely awkward situations, but all of that is to be expected with such a popular game. Example: [media=youtube]OaYb7PW9QwA"[/media] I feel sorry for Buktooth… so akward.
Well… somewhat on topic, but in a better SF2 community this post would probably not exist. Anyways onward into the future.
Don’t forget to post it in the stickied SF2 Tournaments thread! I would have missed this if I didn’t check this thread on a pure whim (didn’t bother to check this before since I don’t live in the PA area). Too bad it’s on the same day as MTLSF Nemesis 2 though. (P.S. to the Ottawa guys, don’t miss out on that tourney!)
Please keep us posted on that! NYC is close enough that I might come by.
To the others, seriously, chill out with the personal attacks, it’s not doing anyone any good. That includes rcaido and Geo, as much as I appreciate your support of HD Remix, you guys are seriously not helping the cause here.
Posting about local events in the HDR forum is fine, it’s not like we have so much post traffic here that people can barely keep up, and it does legitimately help people by making them aware of events they can attend. And for the same reasoning as the one used for the SF2 Tournaments thread, because there’s a pretty high chance that HDR players will also be interested in old ST events, it’s fine to talk about them too.
Thelo- I think you’re opening Pandora’s box if you’re going to allow other games to be posted in the HDR forum. If this is the most active forum, then its a good chance this also the most active SF2 game being played. That’s why i go to the HDR forum is to get HDR info, not ST not Hyper, & not SFIV…Each game has their own forums for a reason & you have region forums to promote gatherings in your area.
Marsgatti - Are you willing to have HDR in your gatherings?
I understand your concern, but to be honest, that box has been opened a while ago. Again, look at the SF2 Tournaments thread, it’s explicitly intended to have both HDR and ST events, and basically nobody has had a problem with that. I think you’re a bit too worried about catastrophe scenarios here, where the only thing that really happens in the real world is that a bunch of guys get reminded of a few things because they don’t necessarily feel like crawling through hundred-page-long regional threads, or refreshing the events forum every day just in case there’s something interesting in there.
In general, I strongly believe that we need a pretty damn good reason to actively prevent posts. More activity is pretty much always a good thing, y’know? And if a given post / thread doesn’t interest you, it’s trivially easy to just skip it.
I’m not saying CigarBoB intentionally supported HDR, but his observation did end up supporting the game’s viability in the long run. Just consider what would have happened if he didn’t bring it up (assuming nobody else would discover it pre-release). Ken might have been banned or SSS tier until the patch, or permanently in the unlikely chance it wasn’t discovered by that time. So bringing the issue up ASAP (even if its purpose was to ridicule the designer or game) did end up benefiting the final product. Sometimes, even the biggest critic still has a silver lining to offer.
Your arguments are getting weaker by the minute. Face it, these ST heads you speak of are obviously shitting on HDR and would like to see it die. I don’t know why you are denying this.