It’s not just about randomness that’s the problem. The issue is the reward you get for hitting somebody, and then putting in a situation where they basically have to guess in a mix up that’s more not in their favor than typical fighting game mix ups is the problem. The problem also is that this can start from the very start of the match since the meter build in this game is way too high and most likely still will be in Ultimate. It’s not just about being “random or not random”.
Actually it would be better if it was that way because then if the game was completely based on randomness then everybody would have an equal chance of being random and winning. My mom would play this game because she would have a good chance of placing high if the shit was like playing bingo. If it’s not random then you’re basically saying that in a 2/3 match of this game the better player can always be declared and the game would be peachy 2/3. Which I feel neither is true. The problem isn’t black or white, it’s the grey area is too grey.
I just feel for a game that people put money in to play in tournaments there isn’t enough of a threshold for declaring the better player in a 2/3 set. There’s just too many things that can happen in a 2/3 set and not enough things to protect you from what happens in a 2/3 set of this game.
The big problem overall is you lose too much you need to win just by losing one character and you can lose that one character way too fast for 2/3 to be declaring who goes up especially in a major tournament format. I’ve watched and played in quite a few Marvel tournaments and 3/5 just simply feels and looks better and less sloppy than 2/3. People make better assist calls after the 3rd match, people space themselves better, they get more adjusted to block patterns, it’s just generally IMO a considerably better game 3/5 than 2/3.
The game being totally random would be better than the way it is right now because more people would start playing this shit than poker and it would get huge entrants. It’d be better than bingo or the lottery. I’d go to every tournament ever and put my money in other more solid games and always just drop my hat in MVC3 cuz you never know when you’ll win grand finals. If I happen to be at Evo and win the grand finals in MVC3 throwing my 10 dollars in…I become almost 10,000 dollars richer even though I only barely made top 32 in SFIV.
** The game not being random and never about being put at a disadvantage and set up for another disadvantage just off one right poke into a mix up that you basically have to guess 50/50 or worse on would be better. **
Both of those situations seem better than what MVC3 is and they both seem better than what MVC3 is by too much of a margin as the game is and the way the game will most likely still end up being by UMVC3. What you can and can’t control in a 2/3 set for this game just does not work as well as other fighting games. What you go through in a 2/3 set isn’t reset often enough like in any other fighting game to the point where playing 2/3 makes a lot of sense.
about the real 2/3 vs. 3/5 thing is that you’re essentially doubling the amount of time a tournament takes. That’s not necessarily an acceptable thing.
In theory, yeah… but I was thinking about it, and I bet it’ll be more than that.
Specifically in longer sets (presuming you’re playing people of resonably close skill), you’re more likely to have split results… that’s the whole point in a sense. You’re a lot less likely to get just wiped out in a straight 0-3 than in a straight 0-2, both from having more opportunities and from having more chance to figure out the trick that put you down.
You’re not doubling the matches played to 6, you’re putting it to 5, that’s 1.667x more games than 3 if everything runs to maximum time. At minimum winning 3 games straight compared to 2 straight is now 1.5x longer. It’ll only be longer if there’s somehow more dead time between the 2nd and 3rd match than there would be between the 1st and 2nd match.
SF4 would probably still take longer than Marvel anyway.
I dunno, I don’t get the same number of hits when I do the OTG with the Glaive -> Glaive Chop -> Okami Shuffle… That kind of positioning should be basically the same, right?
I email srktips with this topic to get more attention and exposure but those dudes want to up combo videos of Thor instead.
I don’t know but proposing and discussing a change that might affect the way this game is played seems a bit more interesting and relevant than impractical combos of a mediocre character and what New Line Cinema is doing doesn’t seem relevant to this sites interests at all.
Considering Smash tournaments have more entrants and matches that last longer I don’t feel like this is a huge deal. At least they don’t.
Even if it is that much of an issue like I said…I would like at the very least top 8 for a local tourney or top 32 for a major to be best 3/5. At Evo I would say you could get away with getting 3/5 matches as soon as you get out of your pool and make it into semis.
the thing I’m trying to say is that you’re more likely to get those mixed games. If the proportion of 2-1’s to 2-0’s was the same as 3-0’s to 3-1’s to 3-2’s you’d be right.
Anyways the other thing you said is more to the point, if its still quicker than SF4 then nobody’s gonna complain much.
Do the math yourself sir. If 2 out of 3 gets drawn to the max of 3 matches and 3 out of 5 gets drawn out to the max number of 5 games, it will be 66% longer. The minimum is 3 games in the 3/5 format, which will be just as long as a current max MvC3 set. It will be longer overall, this is known because there will be 4 and 5 match sets. No is saying it will be just as long as current MvC3.
It can’t take more than 66% longer because this is assuming every set is drawn out for 5 matches, any longer will be more than 5 matches.
yeah… but time spent waiting for players to get to the station, button check and stuff would be unchanged… this time can be (and often really is) longer than 1 match in this game…
We’re just gonna keep arguing in circles on whats actually a minor point I think, altho’ I still think you’re wrong. Can we agree that it’d be a minimum 50% longer, and potentially much more than that?
… unless somebody can magically come up with average set lengths in say tekken (3/5 usually, or am I high?) vs. SF or marvel (2/3).
Edit… and Autralopitecus owns my whole argument, just like that.
Hold on, just to put the brakes on this hype train up a bit. Apparently iplaywinner is holding a single elimination tournament called Ultimate Norcal vs Capcom, and it involves top players in Norcal getting their hands on the game. I know this the beta of the game and they don’t really know what they are doing, but it will at least give a sense of the flow of the matches in the newer version. Could be that the new version needs no changes to the regular format or it may need a best 3/5. Best to check it out and see how the top players feel about it.
