I am in favor of 3/5 or lowering damage, but IMHO there has to be a change.
Top players that there is no “randomness” in sets of first to 5/7/10. This is true when I see any player winning when they get a happy birthday randomly, not baiting it or anything just pressing Zero cr., She-Hulk slide or Magnus slide and getting to dead characters into incoming character mixup with XF still on.
I don’t think the change should be implemented right away, give umvc3 atleast some time to see how things end up being. They nerfed XF, meter building, made combos with assists worse, and increased hit stun deterioration for almost everybody apparently so we still have to see how things end up. I could rant on how I thing at least vanilla is so random but really not need to right now, but increasing the amount of adaptability of players in these “random” situations makes for a more “fair” match result.
This could be compared to MVC2 a little. Yeah the complete top tier can potentially kill you on the first hit, and also potentially completely guard break your entire team into a free 100% (Ex. Magneto or IM) but even do many people think otherwise, hits don’t come as easily as in MVC3. Magneto and Storm could open you up free in MVC2 if you stayed in the ground, this is using their amazing air dash. But I never saw a Magneto hit confirm from ANY hit he got. MVC2 characters overall had to land a low normal into air combo or a jump in/tri dash into low for potentially big damage. But, in MVC3: You land a high priority s.:l: character dead, a 45% screen covering slide into a dead character, guard cancel into dead character, random safe super into dead character, mashing invincible assist (except for psylocke?) into a dead character, you kind of know where I am going to.
Lowering damage could cause a problem online if there’s no option to change it. Besides, it’s not like any advanced Dante player for example is not going to kill anybody below 1,000 health with the first hit. That also goes for other characters I think.
(Edit) Oh. Now i see it. 1-1 2-1 -3-1 or 1-1 1-2 1-3 or 1-1 2-1 2-2 3-2.
I dunno, i’d rather have 3/5. If you’re good enough to win twice in a row then you should be able to win another fairly quickly (Assuming no one is running a keepaway team or lameout tactics.)
I think that because Marvel 3 allows players an insane amount of options for opening you’re opponent up, even with lower tiered characters. The variance or ‘randomness’ that can play out in a 2/3 can frustrate alot of players. Not only can you be put in a situation where you’re forced to block two or three 50/50 mixups (Berserker Claw + Assist, High/Low if blocked while assist pressures, Berserker Claw again if high/low is blocked), but being opened can easily kill your character, which forces your incoming character into in even deeper and more complex mixup.
‘Randomness’ in Marvel 3 comes from the amount of unpredictable options an opponent has in their arsenal at any given moment and it becomes close to impossible to take all of them into account. Having 3/5 sets allows you to zone in on the options your opponents are keen to using and abusing.
I played (and got free’d up) at the Yipes invitational and got to speak with alot of players, and the general consensus seems to be that 3/5 sets at the very least is the more satisfying way to play the game.
It’s in the interest of time. The only reason not to do 3/5 is because it takes too long. The compromise is that if you go up 2/0 on someone you’re probably going to win 1 out of the next 3 games. It isn’t guaranteed, but this could shave hours off of big tournaments.
We should link this to all the top players and TOs. As much as I would love to see this happen though, this is a really bad time for it.
With SF x T coming out, TOs are gonna have even less time to get everything running properly, especially on the east coast. Really curious as to how UFGT is gonna turn out
Hopefully if that runs well that gets the ball going for this shit. Been too damn long. Kusoru winning FRXV is that wake up call to take this shit serious and less complacency.
The game will become less random as people get better at it. Marvel 2 was random as hell for the first two years then after that, the better player almost always won.
3/5 is straight up the best option. if it’s not viable due to the amount of entries, at the very least make top (whatever) AND qualifying matches to get into them 3/5. this game has too much bullshit that won’t be adapted to quickly, and straight up if you can’t identify it in the first match you will lose (just agreeing with with moons is saying pretty much)- letting it be 3/5 will at the very least allow for some more consistency and therefore skill to shine through. alongside that you’ve got x-factor inherently increasing the “random” factor of the game…
god knows how many matches i’ve clutched out of the hands of better players with x-factor hawkeye or vice versa.
Before I make my opinion on what should be done I’d like to thank DevilJin01 for the original creation and resurrection of this thread, as well as all those that want to help make this happen.
In order to help this thread and it’s message to regrow in popularity there are a few things that i think we should try to do.
Firstly I think that the poll on the thread should get a reset while keeping the results of the old poll to compare it to.
This will give the thread more publicity in which to spread it’s message and helps to present to us the current opinions of the fighting game community on the matter since a couple of months after Ultimate’s launch.
Once we receive the results from the new poll, if people could tip these results and the old ones, to the front pages of sites like Shoryuken, Eventhubs etc, it would help greatly in spreading the message amongst the community.
If people who go to tournaments or FG community events could also follow Acekillah’s example and talk to players there about this idea, then it would really help in spreading this message around the community, especially if someone very well known in the community agrees with it, which would give it much greater publicity.
Eventually if this idea becomes widely viewed as wanted by the community then chances are that tournament organizers will catch on to the idea and start to change tournaments to this style.
Yes, UFGT8’s UMvC3 tournament will be 3 out of 5 games the whole way through. http://ufgt.us/ for more info and registration. You will forever live in shame if you miss this event.
I really want to see you set a precedent here considering this is going to be a major tournament with a lot of people. Show people this game still runs faster @ 3/5 than 2/3 of SFIV or KOF13.
Yeah, that’s the thing - I still can’t see one-round 3/5s in Marvel being longer than a two-round 2/3 SFIV match, and definitely not longer than a 2/3 KOF match. It might take some extra organizing to work all the games together at a tourney, but I’m sure this was manageable back in the days where CvS2 was played more. I’m all for 3/5.
, She-Hulk slide or Magnus slide and getting to dead characters into incoming character mixup with XF still on.