Dealing with people who jabs, you can mix up TK strike and Delayed Strike (to do this, just do the same exact motion for TK strike but hit the button a few milliseconds afterwards). Delayed Strike will hit above the jabs. Once you do that a few times he will be scared to spam jabs then you can mix in TK strikes back in… Now you really just mind raped your opponent…
I’m pretty confident that it is more anticipation then reaction. Like Faux said…just delay the TK.
The guys I play have learnt they can stop almost everything I try with crouch jab or jab spamming. Its pretty frustrating, any time I try SA/CS FADC TK Strike I’m running into a crouch jab, any dash cancel is met by a jab and it seems to come out before I can do the cannon strike. I try and set it up by throwing beforehand but they’d rather take the throw than a combo so they risk the jab most of the time.
Edit: Although having said that I’ve just been trying in training mode with Ryu doing jab/crouch jab repeatedly and doing SA FADC then a really quick regular cannon strike and that seems to work better.
I’m a scrub. Thinking any different obviously messes my game up. BIG TIME.
I only do the CS FADC TKCS against technical players. Everyone and their mom spams jab online.
Online I pretty much do either CS FADC CS or grab.
wait…unless I am missing something do you mean SA FADC TKCS?
This is a tricky dance here you’ve entered. I’ve played against the likes of Valle for much of my SF career since Alpha 3 because I used to go to SHGL all the time. It’s dangerous to compare yourself to these kinds of players but, at the same time, you HAVE to. So here are the dangerous traps:
Danger #1:
You think you’re crap compared to these guys so, damn I suck, why do I even bother?
Don’t ever get into this trap. There is no smart way to avoid it, unfortunately, but it’s all a mentality thing. I’ve seen TONS of players who started out at the same level as where most players are today. But they have been able to break the wall. Back in the days of SHGL, guys like Ed Ma and Ken I. used to play all the time, and they were just “really good players”, but they were never the top tier players we know them as today. Then, sometime during the 3rd Strike renaissance, Ed Ma and Ken I. became top tier players. Hell, I’ve been playing Amir in Street Fighter since he was like 6. 
He’s always been good, but lacked a GREAT deal of confidence. Then, at some point, he became one of the best Chuns in the country in 3rd Strike.
So you have to realize and accept that these players are better than you. that’s the first thing you have to do. And then do NOT get discouraged by it. It just has to become something you aspire to. But always KNOW they are better than you so that you won’t ever look down upon yourself nor feel stupid when they beat you 24 games in a row!!! :mad: (Note: after I lost 24 in a row to Valle, I figured I had sandbagged long enough and didn’t let him get the 25th win against my Cammy! Take that, Valle!! No 25-win streak for you! ).
Danger #2:
You accept that they are better than you and become complacent and stop caring when you lose to them.
This is even more dangerous than trap #1 and it’s SUPER easy to fall itno this trap. Everyone needs better players to get better. But if you start losing to players like Valle and just accept it and figure “Hey, he’s Valle, of course I lost!”, then you’ll never get better. Losing to a top player has to be UNDERSTANDABLE, but the key is IT DOESN’T MEAN YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT. As I said, I just lost 24 in a row in SFIV to Valle like two weeks ago, Cammy Vs. Ryu, and it didn’t make me feel like I sucked, because it IS Valle and he’s one of the nation’s best, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t getting mad and trying my hardest to win. After I finally won the 25th match, I started winning like one out of 4 or 5 games. So I was never satisfied and insisted on improving. And I kept trying to figure out what he was doing to me. Even though I lost 24 in a row, I felt BETTER about myself in the end, not worse, because it was a HUGE learning experience… every loss helps you learn something new.
Majestros, who also went to SHGL all the time, was the one who instilled this into me. “It’s dangerous to become complacent and satisfied losing to players like Valle,” he said. And that’s stuck with me ever since.
So it’s a tricky tightrope: one on side, you have to accept they are better than you and don’t use that as a way to measure yourself. If you did that in life like you do in SF, you might as well crawl into a corner and hug your knees 24 hours a day. If you think, “Man I suck at tennis because I’m not as good as Roger Federer!” you’ll never be happy. So don’t measure yourself to them. Just use them as a bar… as the the end goal, but, I repeat, do NOT use them as a comparison. And then, at the same time, don’t ever accept that they will ALWAYS be better than you. You are trying to reach that “bar” that you are using them as. Never view it as an unreachable goal and become satisfied with being more than an arm’s length away from the bar. Keep going for it, no matter how far away it is.
I hope you’re not worried about a 10-6 result. ^^ That’s damn good. Lemme ask you this: did you ever get double-perfected? Hahahaha. Poor Magus. ^^ Now you have to view this fight like this: okay, he’s found a lot of good counters against Cammy. But the beauty of SF is that all of the counters he has found HAVE COUNTERS. We may not know them yet, but they’re there. Believe me. So the key is not going, “Shoot, he knows how to stop this…”, the key is saying, “Now that he knows how to stop this, how can I bait him into thinking I’m gonna do it again and counter HIS counter?” That’s where you go to. Don’t think his counters hurt your match-up, think of ways to use his counters to your advantage.
- James
James, you’ve given me a lot of stuff to think about. I have fallen into both traps these past few days. My first problem was your #2, which is why I let tatsu beat me like he did, and why I lost that badly to eric choi and coffee. I really don’t know if I could have beaten Coffee or Choi, but I know I could have played better.
Monday I fell into pitfall #1. Then I started playing Championship mode again. I destroyed (and perfected) an Akuma, then I destroyed a 30,000gp Chun Li. I even beat a g1 Zangief. I just need to play my game, and not worry about who I win/loose to.
I did get 2 perfects on Yeb 
Stein - Personally, I think you need to stop trying to compare yourself to names and just focus on yourself (i.e. what mistakes did I make, what was the other player trying to do, what is my weakness that they were exploiting…“instead of zomg I lost to tatsssuu”). If you do that, then you completely avoid James’s traps #1 & 2.
James - what do you mean back in the day of SHGL? Shgl continues on…
lol tatsu is a very strong sf4 player. I’m not sad I lost to him, but the way he beat me was dumb on my part. I just sat there turtling, not sure how to get in. Instead of doing my thing and playing my mixup game, I just sat there and then, OMG WTF he threw me!? How do I play a tournament Vega!?!?!?
Like I said, I’m over it now.
Haha, I guess shgl does continue on in spirit. But nothing will ever be like the days of actual SHGL. People came from San Diego, Inland Empire, Los Angeles, Woodland Hills… The same guys week after week after week. We packed that place every Friday night. Weekly tourneys, nothing but top players everywhere… sigh God I miss Southern Hills Golfland. :sad:
- James
Righto, I guess I’ll have to practice that then. I had no problems learning and being consistent with regular tk srtikes…but I never got consistent with the delayed ones. Thanks man.
Oh, and great post from James. Your posts are always so insightful.
i agree with james, you gotta go in confident no matter who you play against.
i personally like the filipino champ style approach. if i were to play alex valle, i’d just go in thinking “alex valle? did i just get a bye?” :bgrin:
of course, i’d prolly get get smashed and be like “damn…raped.”
but you definitely dont’ want to go in thinking that they are insanely better than you. you get too paranoid to do risky stuff and they run the train on you for free. you wanna be focused and you never want to regret anything you do mid match.
here’s a very good example of pro level players raping other players.
one match against alex valle in casuals, he did tick throw 2 times in a row (different tick each time) and then on the 3rd one, he ex hurricane (ryu) on my wakeup. why didn’t i just cannon spike on wakeup? i tech’ed thinking that he was gonna throw me again, yet i could have just did DP where that would beat both the ex hurricane kick and the tick, and the throw. i was just too scared to DP. you can’t let them intimidate you and you gotta focus on what you should really do when you play them, not on how bad they are raping you.
oh yeah no doubt he’s strong…
What I kind of meant was, forget that you are playing Tatsu or that you played Tatsu (i.e. not focusing on the person) and just focus on the match, then afterward just focus on thinking about the match itself rather than who you fought.
Yes stein you have to focus on the game not the name.
word.
that said…Stein is easily one of the best Cammy’s on this board at the moment.
probably going to be a monster in 3 to 6 months… I’ve seen how this guy looks at the game and he picks stuff up fast.
it’s almost not fair…lol
???
I’m not a great Cammy player. Allen, Drake, Draykaden, Alloune, Rokubear and Alexanima(lol) are way better than me. Freestyle desu is also a better player than me too. THERE’S EVEN A LOCAL GUY WHO DOESN’T READ THE CAMMY FORUMS and he’s better than me 
IMO I’m about as good as Jcensor and Faux123, but they have the knowledge to become a lot better. I don’t understand the frame data… I’m only pretty good because I read the Prima Strat. Guide lol.
VasAZNion - I thought your match against Valle was closer than that? I don’t remember you getting raped… beaten yeah, but not raped.
oo more taekwondo guys on the cammy forum me likes.
Im only green tho,my coach wont let me go higher for a while since the belgium champ high class is a beast, and im not ready yet for that.
If there is one thing in ur posts that i noticed is that u gotta stop putting yourself down like that.
Stuff like that makes u think stupid stuff like Alexanima(lol) beeing better than u???
Heck even i beat that guy,yes hes good but hes blowing to high of the tower…
Ill give u another example of my exp from taekwondo matches.
Like u i used to think that everyone was better than me and putting myself down.
Problem with this is that u actually start believing this and start playing/fighting waay under your level.
One day my coach noticed this,in between rounds(was way behind) he bitchslapped me and said i have to stop thinking everyone is better than me.Then something changed in me and i came back.
**The attitude u should have or for each and every match is im gonna kick somebody or die trying
And no one is better unless proven otherwise,if u think someone is better even before u played him u already lost the match.
**:nunchuck::karate:
btw that will be 50 euro for the shrink lessons:rofl:
I’ve posted this before, but this is how I think before every match:
Yeah, the guy’s good. Real good. Probably better than me. I won’t go down without a fight. I won’t play his game. Even though I may be outplayed, I am going to give him one hell of a match. I will use every trick I have! I want my opponent to shake my hand after the match saying, “Wow, you are good. That was a scary match. I wouldn’t want to play you again.” I may not win, but I’m going to give this guy hell! He may think he’s gotten a bye, I AM GOING TO MAKE HIM FIGHT FOR HIS VICTORY. I AM GOING TO MAKE HIM GUESS WHAT I’M GOING TO DO. I AM GOING TO GIVE HIM EVERY THING I’VE GOT! I… am… BATMAN!!!
I do this with every match, except for when I played the 2 sagats 
lol I actually call myself batman during the match. Just something I did as a kid, and I still do to build my confidence.
IMO thinking I am the best or better than everyone kills my game. I get prideful and I start to hold back. I want to think of myself as the underdog in every situation. Only under these stressful, hopeless conditions do I really perform at my full potential.
thinking u are the best and u will win works only with players of a lower level than u.
when u play some1 better i just think ‘hey i got nothing to lose i can only gain, on the other hand that dude has a lot to lose so he will feel the pressure to risk to lose to the underdog and then ppl will LOL@him’ that makes u play more relaxed and concentrated
ppl of same level well just ‘hmm its gonna be interesting’
Too bad SFIV doesn’t have the lobby system… we could all hang out in a lobby together and give each other pointers.
I think that would work with us Cammy players, there seems to be a lot of camaraderie.