Other Publishers and General Comic Book Discussion Thread

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God…I hate you.

But this disturbs me, because although your words are stained with poisonous lies, I’m surprised at how close the comparison is and how easily that could be believed. I mean…even down to the dubious nature of Heathcliff’s true parentage. Although there’s no parallel with the redeeming Hareton/young Catherine marraige at the end, and I’m not sure what the Wuthering Heights version of the fat cook is. If I didn’t know any better, I would have accepted that as fact.

However, I DO know better, and it is a historical fact of record that Paul Jenkins was high on smelling salts and being sodomized by Bill Jemas all throughout the writing process of That Book Which We Shall Not Name.

Surprised you threw that out there though - maybe flaunting your precious English major and trying to pretend it wasn’t a complete waste of the prime years of your life? Good thing I caught it because I just coincidentally have a particular fondness for fictional works published between the years 1832 and 1900. It’s a fetish of mine.


Shut your dirty mouth - YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS LAME

I actually thought Morrison coming up with the idea that the “X” in “Weapon X” was actually a roman numeral for 10 was one of the cleverest things ever conceived in the X-universe. That’s a bit like calling it the tallest midget ever, but still…blew my mind.

Like that was back in the day where affixing the letter “X” to any word would automatically make it cooler. They were throwing the X around with clearly no regard for human life - that he actually took that and twisted it into something was impressive as hell.

Making Cap essentially “Weapon I” was too cool as well. Neat how they could never improve on the original. (THAT’S RIGHT, I > X, WHAT BITCHES?)

Too bad Marvel’s editorial idiocy pretty much completely flubbed everything that happened during that run, and how current continuity essentially washes it hands of the entire thing. I like how they gave it to Grant Morrison to shake things up - they put a cool “NEW” in front of the “X-MEN” in the title, okayed the new costumes, brought in some (relative for X-books) unconventional art with Quitely, pimped it as a new age of Marvel storytelling…and then when he actually accomplished all those things and shook everything up…Marvel was like “Whoa, he shook things up too much - we were just expecting like a slight costume recolouring or something. Recon everything and blame it on a Xorn clone army of IMPOSTERS!”

So stupid. Didn’t help that during the last story with Silvestri, Morrison was clearly on some insane mind bending drugs.

I’m actually very impressed that they’ve waited this long and still haven’t brought Jean back yet. I mean…if they couldn’t even wait for an entire crossover to bring back Hawkeye (HAWKEYE!!!)…waiting this long for Jean Grey is mighty impressive.


This actually makes all books feel like Marvel’s doing the One Year Later thing as well. …'cept they’ve done it accidentally, because they can’t ship a single book on time.

The thing is…One Year Later is probably the worst comic book idea since allowing fans to vote Wolverine over Lobo, so I don’t know what’s worse - doing it accidentally, or doing it purposely.

New Avengers was the first time I saw Spidey in the new costume, and I was just like “When!?! …and why?”

I have to admit, after like five or six straight months of New Avengers issues whose sole purposes were to waste my money and the world’s trees - this was a good issue. Ignoring the editorial blotch-ups that surrounded it. Last month’s Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch issue was one of the top ten worst single comic book issues I’ve read in the last two years. The Batman Annual that explained Jason Todd’s return and the entire run of the new Flash book would round out the remaining spots. …just…BAD comic books.

Probably helped that I’m Leinil Yu’s bitch and anything he touches I will buy. If he’s the new regular artist for this book, then it’s fucking OVER for me. I’ll buy like six copies every month.

I told you though! This is a fucking gansta Avengers team. Spidey, Wolvie, Cage, Iron Fist, Cap (oh come on, like it could be anyone else) as Ronin - that’s some street shit right there. I was saying they should start with fighting ninjas and stuff like that and turn the book into a martial arts epic - and Bendis delivered. I whine a lot about how he does it, but he’s a good writer - I’ve never said otherwise.

Having Doctor Strange there is retarded though. Can’t they just use all those old JLA excuses for when they didn’t want Martian Manhunter around because they were fighting a telepath or when they didn’t want Batman around because he’d figure it out too quickly and end the story in three pages? Just say he’s off fighting Shuma Gorath again or something, busy in the astral plane and too busy to be pretending to struggle with some Hand ninjas. They always say Wolvie’s off somewhere with the X-Men, or how they always used to say the Fantastic Four or the old Avengers were off-world fighting the Kree or the Skrull or something…can’t they do that for Strange when it’s a ninja story?

They should just replace him with Cloak or something, since teleporting the group out every issue is all Dr. Strange is going to be doing in New Avengers anyway. He’s like this plane’s Sorcerer Supreme - they use him as a fancy chaffeur in this comic.

Or a fancy “driver” for you Americans who don’t enjoy learning about other cultures and languages.

This I did not know. Perhaps I should pick up the Morrison TPBs.

Yeah, the letter ‘X’ was a huge thing during the 90’s. If you didn’t have one in your name, you sucked. Just look at Megaman. He couldn’t go 20 years without an ‘X’.

I’m amazed as well. But Rachel Summers is the cheap excuse. So, I wouldn’t really say anything yet.

Hmmm…I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this. I’d say the Geoff Johns stuff is the only material delivering(like that wasn’t blatantly obvious?).

And if you’re like me and VSlash, you worship the 20 issues(or less) that Geoff Johns wrote. That’s Avengers to a tee. And Olivier Copiel’s art REALLY had me hooked. And of course, Scott Kollins. But, his art didn’t match the Avengers all too well, IMO.

And that Batman Annual sucked hard. I still think there was NO reason for Jason Todd to come back. But, personally, I blame Jeph Loeb. He wrote Hush and tried sneaking that sad joke in there. Faggot. I hate him.

I agree with everything you said. Has no one figured out that Strange is THAT MUCH MORE POWERFUL than the rest of the team!? They may as well have Jarvis going on missions with them in place of Dr. Strange.

BTW, did anyone pick up the lattest Ennis/Craine Ghost Rider book? I have yet to read it. But, when I saw the name ‘Ennis’ I picked it up.

i dont think there was anything inherently wrong with the idea of OYL, I just think most of the execution was lacking, partly due to 52 sapping all of the talent/creativity.

Hey guys, i’m popping back in this thread again to ask another question. Do most of you guys buy the single issues or wait for the TPB’s? It seems like it could be annoying having eight billion comics littered around your room after collecting them for a while if you aren’t buying the TPB’s.

Reason i’m asking is cause I wanna read the punisher’s part in the civil war, but I can’t decide if I wanna wait for a TPB version or to buy the single issues.

He completely nailed the Avengers. Totally and completely had all the characters perfect. Hawkeye was a dashing badass flirting with everyone, Cap commanded respect from EVERYONE, Red Skull was a badass, Falcon was Caps badass homey, and just gawd it was so good.

Having Dr. Strange be totally busy all the time would be awesome. “Ultron, no, I’m sorry I can’t come, I have to make sure the universe keeps existing, peace”

I got the three fables trades I didn’t have and now have the COMPLETE FABLES !!!111!! trade set.

March of the Wooden soldiers is a damn good story.

lol at Morrison being on drugs, the story line with dark beast making mass clones of nightcrawlers with optic beams was just too crazy.

Falcon stood out the most to me in that run. He just seemed a lot more important than usual. He was really no longer the “Token Black Avenger”. He was real and ready to kick some ass.

And as for the Red Zone storyline, one name:

Dell Rusk

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DO THAT??? Geoff Johns is the master of the mind fuck. I don’t care how blatantly obvious it was, that was complete genius. Shit, he had me fooled for the first issue.

I need to dig up those issues and re-read them. And if IIRC, he had plans for Ultron to come back. I think. Not too positive about that.

“I’m busy changing a light bulb in the Astral Plane, or something. What’s that, Cap? Wolverine just got gutted? Oh, very nice. I’m sorry, you’re breaking up! WHAT?!”

It calls for awesome storytelling. But, yeah, I don’t condone Strange on the team. Great Illuminati member. Only because he’s the only dude wearing a cape at the meetings.

if we’re talking about a team of street level fighters, than strange is most certainly needed on the team. i understand that many feel that his power level is too high to float around w/the likes of echo and iron fist, but, we need to focus on what’s important about strange – look at that costume.

spidey is emo’d out.
cage is a family man.
iron fist is clearly closeted.
logan carries the stench of molson.
and, of course, ronin is a cross dresser.

“now ask yourself, who’s the mac?”

strange, damnit.

the cape, the gloves, the baubles.

it’s obvous that after this most necessary “ninja” arc, they will take to the streets of NY seeking to gain funds to support their life as the secret avengers. cage is the leader now, and he’s got a mouth to feed – he isn’t the type of dude to bust in the corner bodega and steal gallons of milk. of course, the sorcerer supreme could help him out, but, strange doesn’t want to conjure up vats of vitamin d. what kind of shelf life would it have? i mean, he could pop over to wundagore mt and demand mystic milk from bova, but we all know what that did to wanda and pietro.

cage, petey, strange and the team needs cabbage, and what’s the best way of gettin’ that green when you’ve got such a beautiful cape? pimpin’ bitches, that’s what. when this mf shows up demandin’ his cut, you pay like you weigh. sorcerer supreme–the pimp of the year: 5 syllables each. coincidence? i think not.

so, yeah, strange is necessary, for the “Takin’ it to the Streets…
…and CORNERS!” arc.

Bro you have a point but Doc Strange was putting Ninjas too sleep. If that’s not a waiste of his abilities I don’t know what is. They need Loki, Annihitation, Dormamu, Anihilation version 2.0, something where he can actually flex his cape. I guess if he’s absent a lot like Sentry was things could work out…

Crisis is the worst idea. If not for Crisis, there wouldn’t have been OYL and 52 POO, etc. CRISIS MADE GEOFF JOHNS BAD. His Flash was kicking ass up until that one issue where there was a random scene of Captain Boomerang’s body being stolen or experimented on.

There are average superhero comics and there are awesome superhero comics. Johns’ Flash stood on top of the mountain of awesome superhero comics, looked down, and laughed at everyone else. Then Crisis came and due to a Superboy Continuity Punch, the mountain of awesome superhero comics suddenly became retconned into a volcano. The volcano proceeded to erupt a pure flow of unadulterated shit, coating Johns’ Flash in its pathetic dirtiness.

But at least Johns’ Avengers has never been tainted. I’ve been a proponent Red Zone every single time a guy has asked “What’s a good Avengers comic?” And then suddenly Deathy and Slashy are taking full credit for preaching the truth of Red Zone… Those punks… It kinda hurts my pride, like that time this one guy told me he was a bigger fan of British Sea Power, and I said, “Oh, yeah? Prove it!” and he showed me his website.

I haven’t read the new issue yet, but it sounds like the New Avengers could use U-Go-Girl. And Doop. Who wouldn’t want to see Doop pop a pimple against a legion of ninjas?

Speaking of X-Statix (which, by the way, is the best use of the letter “x” in comics history), I’ve been buying The Vault Of Michael Allred- basically a four issue mini which is a scrapbook for a ton of his art and just random stuff related to his work, including scans from magazines. Somehow, there was this scan from Wizard where they cast the X-Statix movie. They wanted Dennis Rodman to play the Anarchist!!

Ahh, Wizard. HAHAHA LOLOLOLOL

I have no real compunction to learn about the roots of words we stole from the French. For example, until you wrote, “fancy chaffeur,” I had no idea that the word was spelled how you spelled it. My whole life, I’ve been spelling that word as “chauffeur.” I suppose I should thank you for correcting this egregious error, EH BUB?

Because me and VSlash know what’s up. We are strong advocaters of the School of Johns(A well known sponsor of the Church of Bru).

I also recommend Red Zone to all the kids that wanna read Avengers. Then they’re like “It’s full of innocence and hugging! It’s not like Bendis where it’s edgy and it has WOLVERINE!!!” And then I tell those kids to STFU.

Wow, I didn’t know you were a British Sea Power fan. hugs Zephy True Adventures is one of the most awesome songs ever. It’s epic.

crisis is awesome, flash is okay, people making fun of superboy retcon punch (which happened in one panel of one issue of a book not even a part of infinite crisis proper) are lame

I think it showed it more “in-depth” in the Infinite Crisis Annual (or Special or something like that).

yeah, that’s the only place it really showed it at all. It was really a non-integral cool little device johns dreamed up that was used to explain some problems, much as johns did with green lantern: rebirth. People who didnt even read the stuff just jumped on it as a slogan for didio hate.

I should stop being a tool and post spoiler tags because my jokes fucking suck.

I stopped reading after “in the last issue of ultimate spider-man”

If you posted spoilers, please use the spoiler tag

Whoosh.

I stopped reading at “since I’m a prick”


My bad, Giddy. I meant no disrespect. What I actually meant to say was, Matt Wagner is the best, and that I like everything you like, so how could I possibly be lame???

I’m gonna go sit in the corner and hug my teddy bear now. And listen to my British Sea Power albums to cheer myself up.

I like the way Zephy thinks, but I’m not a Johns fan. At all.

Still, I can’t deny the utter awesome that was the Johns Flash run, and Zeph hits EVERY MARK on what I liked about it and what I didn’t like about Crisis affecting everything.

TT started out good, but it seemed to get weaker to me after the BB arc.

I’ll eventually read his Avengers arcs when I can, but I’m hesitant about Avengers, mostly because I’m a weak-willed Busiek/Perez mark. :[

Get out of my thread.

tosses Symphony out of the thread

bat-rope swings back into thread

btw, will someone explain where Morrison went wrong with Batman? It started out strong for the first 3 issues, but I heard it crapped out after that, and I won’t have the chance to check out the comics shop until NYCC.