Orlando Thread:CEO 2011 Early Bird Ends Monday

Might be early but was wondering about your opinion of mvc3?

@Ian if your still interested in why I think Yang’s super art III is pro…
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I lold…so hard…Godlike Ben…Godlike…

In other news, I had took a 2 hour nap, and dreamt that I was playing Marvel already…there’s a problem…

a good phoenix player on point with 5 bars and her two teamates alive still and healthy…SCARY! thats 4 characters. like others have said it is all or nothing and that is a dream scenario but who knows. shes not going to be on my main team (i dont wanna lose all the time) but if i feel u can win with her why not. i rather take chances with her plus the dark phoenix saga onn the animated xmen cartoon was awesome lol

I don’t know how to respond to this. I like Rza and Canibus. I don’t see how you think they’re wordy MC’s and Lupe is a God-send.

I would actually give it to me, but I’m trying to be modest.

You trying to get me hype for 3S online, too?

Strider also had a damn-near airtight chip trap that would literally kill you without you ever leaving blockstun. As soon as somebody with strong instincts learned that Strider had an orb super and a teleport you could attack out of, that trap was destined for success. That’s just the strength of Strider’s fundamental tools. Barring Dark Phoenix (if you can build and keep 5 bars against your opponent with Phoenix on your team, I would argue that your opponent is so terrible you don’t NEED DPho to win), I haven’t seen anything in Phoenix’s arsenal to suggest she can mount anything that crazy. She has fireball -> teleport behind, but that’s a pretty tame sandwich compared to a lot of the stuff you can do in Marvel 3 so far.

As Karas goes, I know next to nothing about competitive TvC, but from what little I see on YouTube, his low stamina seems to be much less of a handicap in a game where (a) keepout is FAR less crazy/damage intensive than Marvel 2/3 and (b) he has more opportunities to get one more gasp at glory via Mega Crash.

Sent still has super armor on his sweep and (most significantly, to my mind) his launcher, and to me that suggests that while he can’t jab his way through crap anymore, he still has a few decent tools for a good read on a poke to blow through that poke with super armor and start a combo (particularly given that sweep chains to launcher, so he doesn’t have to think terribly hard about which one to use).

EDIT: I’ve changed my mind, a bit. I think Ian makes a good point about unblockables, but I think a lot will depend on spacing for “slow” ones like jumping attack + low assist. If they’re at a bad range/fast to react and know which one to block first, they can just put themselves in blockstun and immediately swap guard heights to get both levels. I think unblockables will be much more viable where tri-jumps are involved due to their speed. Low assist + normal jump attack seems a little on the slow side to me.

To clarify, I think of Phoenix mostly in terms of a 2nd character; you send someone in to build her some meter and DHC into her so that she comes in with plenty of frame advantage to keep her safe. Putting her out first and expecting her to be your battery seems to me like a recipe for suicide. But even while she’s waiting in the wings for her well-cushioned entrance, I think she cries out to be snapped in; just putting her on the spot like that seems like a great way to get some damage on her. When she’s rushing you down, I have little doubt she’ll be obnoxious. But if you get her to neutral or disadvantage, I think it’s easy to make up whatever you lose to her offense just by landing random hits on her.

I can’t remember whether or not she has an 8-way air dash. I don’t remember seeing it in any of her reveal trailers/exhbition matches/Mission Mode videos, and officially structured stuff like that usually makes a big deal out of showing off tri-jumps. Maybe I just missed it. If she does have one, that would significantly change my opinion of her offense. (Fireball -> teleport -> air dash would in fact open a lot more craziness than I’ve seen from her so far.)

One last thing and I PROMISE I’ll shut up – I’m not trying to say Phoenix will be bottom tier. (Maybe I did before, but not anymore.) I think there will be enough characters in the roster for her to rush down/pressure for a fairly extended period without slamming too hard into any walls. But I think that life deficit is WAY too big to laugh off the way some people do just by saying “they’ll figure out something crazy for her that will make her untouchable, don’t sweat it”. We don’t know a lot about Marvel 3 yet, but we DO know that damage is high across the board and Ms. Grey is made of tissue paper. If she wants to make up for that unprecedented fragility, she needs bullshit above and beyond what’s been suggested so far by the more restrictive but highly damaging fundamentals of Marvel 3.

Also, I AM a fan of the RZA – pre-Bobby Digital, that is. Why must you be so hateful? :frowning:

yes she has a tri-jump…

doing research is haaaaard…

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She does indeed have a Tri-Jump and it is fast, and it is DIRTY!
Don’t blink @ 0:30 or @0:50 before she resurrects

In that case, I stand corrected and apologize for my misconceptions (and, again, my walls of text).

I will concede that she looks like she has some good tools for offense – but I caution that Marvel 3 looks very much like a game where defense is both easier and more immediately rewarding than it was in Marvel 2 (for everybody not named Cable). Higher pushblock power, slower tri-jumping, less chip, same high damage requiring MUCH less execution across the board, these all seem like very favorable defensive elements to me.

And again, just as it’s not guaranteed Phoenix will completely suck, it’s not guaranteed that she’ll find any ass-covering bullshit on the order of of Strider/Doom to offset her tiny-ass lifebar. This game is going to evolve very rapidly, and I’m still not convinced Phoenix can ultimately win the bullshit/matchup knowledge arms-race unless she REALLY pulls away from the crowd with some epic shenanigans. I think this will be a lot harder in Marvel 3’s much more closed system, where the limits on combos, chip, unblockables and high-speed mixup are a lot more pronounced. But this really is my last word on the subject, and let’s be clear – on a logical level, I lost this argument. I made too many brash presumptions and was not charitable enough. This is just my opinion.

I was going to say… she does have a Tri-Jump. Shit, she better have a fucking tri jump with her terrible health pool. Her damage didn’t even look good enough to make up for her health. She does have solid ways for unblockables with her fireball into teleport in which she can then start her mix up high low game which I think is nice, and perhaps throw into possible kfc death or something. Right now I’m not feeling her. I was hyped at first, but now I just cannot see her being tournament viable from the current information and footage out there. Perhaps I’ll be wrong when the scene starts kickin, but with how stupid pushblock in this game is and how safe most moves are, Phoenix will not get your team very far.

Want to use her assist? Lol no. Assists already take like 75 to 100% more damage than normal so imagine calling her assist and getting punished with 4 hits and shes dead. Your team is now down to one assist, and one risky assist. Too much of an all in character if you ask me. I really hope that somehow she has nasty reset possibilities or even a possible infinite that is not too situational to make up for her health.

Oh well, Magneto, Ironman, Storm.

I don’t I’ve ever felt such a grand feeling of anticipation for a game before in my life…these next 8 days are going to be killer!

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Mags…I was worried at first, but once I saw Long Island Joe take a whack at him, I think he’s got a fair amount of stuff going for him. Being able to do s. H (air hit) xx Hyper Grav and make it connect will help his combos out a lot. If there’s one thing I appreciate Phoenix for, it’s making Mags’ health bar look a LOT bigger. :rofl:

My day one team will probably be Wesker/Dante/Deadpool. Wesker’s combos look pretty straightforward and his teleports can help keep me in in spite of pushblock. I’ll probably drop Dante’s BnB to start, but I figure I could do some decent zoning with missiles/meaty pink laser/air fireball. I think I could finish Deadpool’s combos as long as I remembered what the inputs were for Katanarama -> CHIMICHANGA.

Added 3 new SSF4 avatars to the album - Chun Li, Sagat and Viper.

CEO 2011 avatar album

That’s all i’m doing for a while.

What I can do in the meantime, if anyone is interested, is make a “custom mix” avatar similar to mine with any 3 of the single-character avatars in the album. Just PM me the characters you want and what order you want them in. You will need a premium membership in order to use an avatar like this.

Is anybody picking up MvC3 at Midnight? I say lets get some late night gaming when it drops!

lol Ben, my team is almost identical to yours except I’ll have Zero instead of Deadpool. I have no clue how I’m picking my team though; you sound pretty damn sure about your choices, on the other hand. My criteria so far is badassness until I figure out how to play the game. :lol:

i will put this sagat avatar to good use

My team will be “It’s better to copy a good idea than to create a bad one”.

From Santhrax to Clockwork…mvc3 meet team Shusty lol

Yo real talk, this is how niggas fight in my hood!

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Tony I think you should watch this, just sayinn

Saw that video yesterday on Break and cried. Totally unexpected. After checking out the video with LI Joe playing MvC3, my excitement bar is overflowing. A week, no, 6 days, until I can start my journey of becoming MvC3 champ.

Good Looks on the avatars.