UAE is a pos country that runs on slave labor.
Was that the North Hollywood shootout or something? That’s literally the only thing that came up with any frequency.
The issue with semi-automatic assault rifles is not how many crimes they are used in, but the degree of damage in the crimes they are used in. Could a trained individual with a hand gun inflict mass causalities on a “Pulse” level? Maybe. Would it much simpler for an untrained individual to inflict that damage with an AR-15 (or similar) rifle? Of course. It’s similar to how you can get into a car accident while sober or you can drive while intoxicated but never harm anyone. The point isn’t a fix-all or anything, it’s an attempt to mitigate the damage possible. Someone is still going to be able to inflict massive damage, but with control of assault rifles, you can reduce the availability to engage in damage on that level. You can’t get rid of all guns, so the idea of making all guns illegal is silly and frankly, dangerous given the amount of guns out there. However, we can mitigate the amount of mass shootings by reducing the availability of these weapons, especially with the ease of getting one. I didn’t even know someone on a terror watch list could get a weapon, especially an assault weapon. Contrary to what people want you to believe, buying an illegal weapon by your average person, isn’t as easy as one would imagine, especially if said weapons are banned on a federal level. Gun control laws WILL reduce availability over time, and a much shorter time than doing literally nothing.
I don’t have a problem with well controlled environments for the recreational use of military grade weapons, as long as they come with very strict restrictions on how those weapons are handled and stored. If you want to go to Las Vegas and shoot military grade weapons at a target, that’s fine with me. Enjoy the rush of manufactured power you can get from that. I don’t know why individual people need access to those same weapons in their home when it can increase the chances that an individual who wants to inflict massive damage can get the same access.
I’d like to also point out I grew up around guns. My father is into guns and still has a pretty good collection of them, including ones I don’t agree with an individual owning personally. I understand that the majority of gun owners, are responsible people. I also understand that a lot of gun owners, like my father, believe we do need tighter restrictions on guns, especially those with the potential for massive damage and causalities.
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Yep. Everyone should go back to the old gods before abrahamic religions took over. Even Jewish people had older stuff.
At least those gods were interesting and had meaningful stories.
Instead, Christianity (as one example) has a god, who has a son, who is also himself, where he impregnates some lady he never actually had sex with, or asked for consent, who was actually married, just to kill his son (himself) so he can forgive all of humanity. After wrapping your head around this, try and figure out if this is incest.
Dont even get me started on the other two. I got plenty of stuff I can point out on those.
Woman columnist is pissed that she could buy an AR-15 in just 7 minutes
When you say “such and such is a bad example” and then throw out the most populous muslim nation and the most developed muslim nation… Your argument is kinda shit.
I’m not being “apologist”, I’m simply stating facts. “Apologist” means I would recommend a different course of action. I usually do not. Case in point:
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[] It made sense to open up a front against the Ottoman Empire in WWI to try to drag the germans away from France. Unfortunately it was a disaster, but the Ottoman Empire fell apart right after, destablizing the region.
[] Hey! Oil! It made sense for Britain and France to carve up the entire region and so they made a deal with Russia (Sykes Picot agreement) during WWI
[] It made sense to prop up the Shah in Iran to keep the country out of the hands of the Islamic fundamentalists. Unfortunately, said shah ruled with an iron fist, and created public goodwill behind the Iranian Revolution
[] It then made sense to back Saddam Hussein against the now fundementalist Iran, because he was secular. Unfortunately, he lost, and the money and weapons were turned on kuwait
[] it made sense to support the afghani and arab mujahadeen against the soviets in afghanistan in the 80s. We wanted the soviets to have their vietnam. Unfortunately, all those guys later fought us in Iraq and Afghanistan, and caused 9/11. (whoops),
[] It made sense to support Arab Spring revolutions to topple arab dictatorships of Egypt and Libya, as it seemed they were populist, secular uprisings. They weren’t.
[] It makes sense to supply Isreal with billions of dollars, nukes, and weapons every year. After all, they’re the only country there we can fully trust. However, this isn’t exactly unnoticed by the millions of people who’ve warred with isreal, are in current conflict with isreal, and generally wish isreal was wiped off the map.
[] It didn’t make sense for us to go into Iraq. But it did make sense for us to leave. Without a strongman in power, a country that has never been united under its own power predictably fell apart, AND
[] It made sense to support rebels against Assad, he was using chemical weapons on his people and is a harsh dictator. But the rebels destablized the country, causing large portions to become lawless, leading to the rise of: ISIS. Super!
[] nowadays, its starting to make sense to support Assad against ISIS, or even Iran against ISIS. What could possibly go wrong?
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The point is not to APOLOGIZE for your actions. The point is to LEARN from your MISTAKES, so you don’t continue fucking up over and over again.
They are both bad examples. Neither of them are exactly shining examples of prosperity and both have a very large terrorism problem. At one time Turkey seemed like a nice emerging market, but things have definitely gone to shit.
Also, the historical examples you cited still don’t address the fact that since it’s creation, Islam has been spread via violence. Now ISIS aims to create another Caliphate and is using violence again. It is honestly something that goes hand-in-hand with Islam itself. And now, since we are talking about things that make sense, it makes sense to take some sort of action here. Whether it should be military, economic, or diplomatic I’m not entirely sure, but something needs to be done
Mexico’s problem isn’t so much corruption as much as it is very well-armed drug cartels.
Leave it to America to want everything solved in a stupid, simple way. You could ban guns AND ban Muslims without seeing a significant drop in gun deaths. You want to cut down on gun violence?
-Put 10x more effort into actually enforcing laws on illegal firearms (divert resources from the failed War on Drugs)
-Actually work on our foreign and domestic intelligence network (You want to save lives? Don’t stop attacks, prevent them entirely.)
-Work on subverting gangs (both homegrown and the Mexican Cartels) and dealing with petty gun crimes, where more of our gun murders happen.
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I dunno…but I’m gonna write that up as a screenplay, flesh it out a bit and pitch it as the prequel to Looper…
He would never have legally obtained his weapons, if people bothered to take a stand against his violent history.
Everytime you fail to report an abusive partner or violent co-worker, you are complicit in any potential harm they may cause in the future. It may be a mass shooting, or it might just be another abusive relationship they cause, but since you failed to do your part, more people got hurt.
The system by and large already keeps these weapons away from nuts.
Actually, Islam spread to Indonesia via traders and scholars.
Also, during the Muslim conquests, the Muslims were HIGHLY tolerant of other religions. They called non muslims “Dhimmi”, and as long as that paid an extra tax or “jizya”, they were free to practice their religion as they pleased.
Since this status also conferred military exemption and special legal status (you could have special jewish courts and not have to be tried under sharia law), it was actually a really good deal for the time. Dhimmi communities could even drink and eat pork. Ironically, Jews in muslim lands fared much better than the persecution in Christian lands.
It originally only applied to the “religions of the book” Judaism and Christianity, but it was eventually applied to Buddhists and Hindus.
So, It’s probably more accurate to say Islam was spread “via tax exemption” rather than “by the sword.” It’s also pretty apparent that the speed of conquest, expanse of conquest, and longevity of their empire is BECAUSE of their religious tolerance, not the other way around.
But, hey, what do I know? I only took 4 semesters of ancient and modern middle eastern history in college.
No one would GAF if you were gay or straight or bi or anythinf if religion was banned
Ijs if we wanna talk abt actualy solving problems
I’m sorry to hear you wasted your money, but you are only half right. They were tolerant (of Christians, not tolerant of Jews at all) after they had conquered a people. So yeah, I guess you could consider waging war on people, attempting to take their land and then subjecting them to either convert to Islam or pay higher taxes “peaceful”, but I don’t. What’s worse, we already have accounts of Christian persecution by ISIS, so I don’t think they will follow their predecessors suit
My statement still stands, it’s a religion that was spread via violent conquest
“People of the book” mean both Jews and Christians. Muslims didn’t see a difference, and regard Jewish/Christian prophets as prophets, too. Although Jesus to them is just a man who was a prophet.
Jews were kicked out of Iberia, went to settle in the Middle East. I’m not sure what part of “Jews were treated better by Muslims than Christians” didn’t you understand.
Just read, man.
Obviously, ISIS isn’t the same. That should be obvious and is what I’ve been trying to say. It’s not the religion, it’s ISIS/ other groups. Fundamentalist Islamic terrorism is a new thing, only really propagating since the creation of Isreal. Islam has not always been this way.
If you don’t want to accept what you’re reading, that’s ok. We can cease the conversation.
It’s literally in the Quran:
"Surah Al-Ankabut verse 46 states:
And dispute not with the People of the Book, except with means better than mere disputation, unless I be with those of them who inflict wrong and injury, but say to them: “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him that we bow.” (Quran 29:46)"
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error” (Quran 2:256) and (Quran 18:29)
Well shit. I was actually thinking about going to Bahli. Ah well…too many damn Aussies there, anyway.
Bali is a popular tourist destination. Like, out in the rural areas, it’s a very pretty place. My sister is over there right now.
I’m talking more about the Government and infrastructure in general.
** @Matriarch **drop kicked this thread, y’all. those are respek dots on her name.
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store was packed today. an independent sales rep came in and told us one of his distributors he services ran out of concealed-carry purses in two days. they had over 30,000.
i waited on the most attractive Asian woman i’ve ever seen over here. never even thought about a gun before this. i’m glad she came in even though i almost passed out when i was talking to her.
pay close attention, folks. this is what we call in The Winners Circle “pushing the goal posts back.” i’m on to your game, you rogue. 
Protip: if the background check takes less than 10 minutes, all that proves is that not only has she not been through some shit; she doesn’t know anybody that’s been through some shit; isn’t related to anybody that’s been though some shit, OR EVEN LIVES NEXT TO SOMEBODY THAT’S BEEN THROUGH SOME SHIT.
and the kid that shot up the elementary school didn’t buy the rifle. it was his parents. terrible article; terrible woman.
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go watch Cartel Land, bruv.
yeah, and another thing that gets forgotten in this: he lied on his background check- which means he committed fraud- which means he didn’t buy the gun legally. i’m not one of those fuccbois that believes everyone should have a gun. i’d like stronger background checks (but not connected to no-fly list because there’s no regulation on that list and anybody can be put on it for any reason).
That’s the thing, it has always been this way because, as I’ve said multiple times, the religion was spread via violence. Muhammad himself led raiding parties. Here, a passage from “The Making of the West” by Hunt et al:
“The battle of Badr was a great triumph for Muhammad, who now secured his position at Medina, gaining new adherents and silencing all doubters, including Jews. Turning against those who refused to convert, he expelled two Jewish tribes from Medina and executed the male members of another.”
Plunder and violence are etched on to the “Jihad”, and it is engraved in Islamic culture
I’m not sure if you refuse to read, or simply are unable to do so.