Orlando Pulse Nightclub Shooting: Largest Mass Shooting in US History

On the other hand, we do use laws to very effectively control who has access to weapons with even greater destructive potential than handguns.

So I don’t think we can reasonably say that criminals exist in a world completely devoid of the effects of the rule of law either.

Why wouldn’t it be?

Just because the shooter is Muslim doesn’t mean the other Abrahamic religions aren’t also homophobic, sexist, and intolerant.

Actually nvm idc lol

Maybe they are homophobic, sexist, and intolerant. However, I don’t see Christians and Jews committing atrocities on such a global scale. They are wayyy more modern than Islam. Part of that undoubtedly has to do with the fact that Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam (and Judaism even older). However, it doesn’t change the fact that radical Islam is becoming a big issue that needs to somehow be dealt with

Christians sure are some of the pettiest dipshits tho.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/06/14/3788497/cole-county-missouri-flag-orlando-shooting/

And ridiculously stupid.

And they still do the same dumb shit.

And how many of these do you think are by God-loving Christians?

All I can do is lol if you are seriously comparing those acts to the violent acts Islamic extremist do on the regular.

Also, in one of those articles (maybe you just read the headline?) it states “'Shamoon Gill, a Christian activist, told AFP that honour killings were very rare among the Christian community in Pakistan. “It has nothing to do with religion but is part of a social issue that is deeply rooted in the eastern societies,” he said.”

Sure Christians can be stupid and it is enjoyable to make fun of them, but it hardly compares to an entire group of people that behead unlawful citizens, murder gays, stone people to death, raid shopping malls and clubs for a mass shooting, and make the world constantly fear a massive act of terrorism. It is a religion stuck in the Stone Age and they are an existential threat to the West. Sadly it seems that people aren’t going to realize this until it’s too late

I do agree that Islam from the middle east isn’t compatible with western society or any society for that matter.
The irony of God’s land being the shittiest part of the world is lost on them.

Majority of Muslim women are trained to shut the fuck up unless told otherwise.
I’m not shocked she didn’t take it to the authorities before he committed the shooting.

Just an aside, the Middle East really isn’t the shittiest part of the world, regardless of the parts that get shown on TV. Some parts are really fucking nice. And conversely some parts of the U.S. are fucking desolate hellholes no one ever thinks of because nobody can live there.

Our Forefathers believed that a citizen’s right to keep and bear arms, free from federal restriction, was basic and inalienable unalienable. Indeed this right is so fundamental to Freedom, that tyranny must follow if it is abrogated. It is suicidal to require the registration of the weapons of citizens in a free country.”

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This isn’t being paranoid at all. This is a completely legitimate concern - as there is proof to back up this supposed “paranoid reason”:

Internationalists, who demand national disarmament are among those demanding federal firearms laws to disarm the citizenry. But American Patriots who love God and their country know that the major threat to the Peace and Happiness of the People of the United States is the drive toward World Order, under a world authority, which will come immediately after the disarmament of individuals and nations who believe in Freedom and Independence.

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"The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States says that “the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. This is an ABSOLUTE prohibition against any federal firearms law, since any such law clearly infringes upon the specified right of the People. The two unconstitutional laws already on the Federal Statute books are a constant temptation for further illegal federal action in this field and have done positively no good at all. So the American public should demand not only that Congress reject the “Dodd Bill” and all other proposed federal firearms legislation, but should also demand that Congress repeal the two federal laws already in existence:
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Rwanda -Christian.

Bosnia Genocide Christian

South Africa Apartheid - Christian.

The apples and oranges of your comparison is that you’re compared people who’ve bought into ISIS ideology with everyday American Joes and Sues. You’re probably better off comparing the US with more modern muslim states, like Turkey and Indonesia.

In fact, homosexual sex was legal in Turkey in the 19th century, although they’ve yet to achieve marriage equality.

The fact is, our religious nutcases sound a lot like theirs, it’s just ours don’t have as much political power.

Well clearly I know UAE exist. But the 1% compared to the 99% in the middle east is quite different than it is in North America.

We have Freedom of Speech but we still can’t scream fire in a theater because it’s unsafe to do so. Also, here’s a thing, cultures change, technology changes, the application of laws change to fit those changes. Nothing is culturally absolute. Saying that the wording of the constitution is absolute when written in a society vastly different from the current one is not a good argument. A good argument is to apply current situations to the application of laws. Our Constitution was meant to advance with it’s society, which is why we have Amendments that change as time passes. I’m not making an argument about what those changes must be, because I’m a single individual with a single vision, like the rest of you. However, we change laws, that’s how an advancing society works. Especially one that is made up of a significantly larger and more diverse population.

Ahh, yes. Let’s unban machine guns.

How about allow joe schmoes to buy rocket launchers, tanks, and nukes while we’re at it!

HAVE TO PROTECT AGAINST POSSIBLE TYRANNY!

I absolutely agree.

However, I think the reason why you don’t have people with Apaches and Tanks in their garage is because they’re both expensive and extremely hard to hide.

Weapons that are illegal but relatively cheap and easy to hide (like automatic weapons) are still quite pervasive. Some weapons can even be modded to become illegal, making tracking them that much more difficult.

Everything you brought up was more than 20 years ago. Furthermore, they weren’t done in the name of Christianity in the same way that ISIS or Boko Haram commits atrocities in the name of Islam. Also, I never compared the US to anything, so I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with this, but I would like to point out that “everyday Joes” are declaring themselves aligned with ISIS and committing acts of terror. Your mention of Turkey is meaningless, as Turkey is a secular republic, not a Muslim state. Unfortunately it seems much of their progress over the last few decades may be on the verge of collapse thanks to their idiotic leader.

The bottom line, that nobody wants to address, is that despite myriad people (including the US President, who feels the need to constantly remind people of this in a really sickening way) is that Islam is not a peaceful religion. It is a religion that has been spread by the edge of a sword since antiquity, all ISIS is doing is repeating history

Automatic weapons are not pervasive at all. It’s not like people are using M60’s in these mass shootings. The fact that there have been so many mass shootings and NONE have used illegal guns is astounding.

As a matter of fact, I tried to do some research and couldn’t find hardly any of full auto weapons being used in crime in the US. So much for “if you make it a crime, only criminals will have it”.

RPG’s and Bazooka’s are pretty cheap and easy to hide, you don’t exactly see criminals using those. Be pretty scary someone using a RPG in a city.

20 years is kind of a drop in the bucket as far as religion goes.

How is Turkey meaningless? 80 million people, 97% of whom are Islamic… 2nd largest standing army in NATO. They even hold NATO’s supply of nukes from time to time. Indonesia as well, 250 million people, 87% are muslim… also a secular republic.

The fact that they’ve adopted a secular republic DESPITE being 97% Muslim fundamentally undermines your argument that “Islam is not a peaceful religion”. It totally can be. It’s a well known fact that if you weren’t the majority religion, for most of human history you’d have been better off living in a muslim country than a christian one.

Also, I’d like to make a HUGE note and say a large portion of the colossal fuckhole that is the Middle East is pretty much our fault. It’s the the result of:
1)Colonialism
2) The establishment of Isreal
3) Cold War proxy battles
4) consistent meddling/involvement in Middle East affairs for the benefit of national security, NOT the people
5) direct wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, and indirect wars in Iran, Lebanon, Syria over the past 35 years.

It’s not like Radical Islamic Terrorism was even a thing pre-Isreal. So I don’t really think “the religion”, which existed 1340 years prior to that, is to blame.

Turkey is a bad example because they are gradually becoming more and more radical. They even have a “ministry of religiom” that by some accounts has encouraged martyrdom. Indonesia is also a bad example as there is an extremely high threat of terrorism there. The UK government goes so far as to warn people travelling to the country. As unfortunate as this is to say, it seems wherever there is Islam, there is terrorism.

Also lol @ “this being our fault”, typical apologist language. The religion has been violent since it’s inception. The only reason the west isn’t already predominately Islamic is because Charles Martel had to put down a force 50k strong of Islamic crusaders. I’m sure actions from the US and the West haven’t helped, but it is not the sole cause at all. Groups like ISIS are aiming to restore the Caliphate of old, which occurred long before any of the events you listed. Also, just for the sake of argument, let’s assume that this is somehow “our fault”, what does that mean really? We still have to deal with the problem one way or another, regardless of who is at fault

I remember that L.A 90s bank robbery shootout that they had fully automatic rifles. I believe that was the 90s. Shit was out of control. Something straight out of a movie, but overall yes, fully automatic weapons is not the norm when it comes to gun crime.

I live next door to Indonesia. It’s a shithole that’s absolutely not secular and its corrupt as fuck. It’s the Mexico of South East Asia (maybe more so than the Philippines).