The Isis are practically anti everybody. We’ve seen them murder Christians, we’ve seen them kill other Muslims, we’ve seen them kill children, random foreigners, tourists, etc. Islam should not be referenced when ever they are the topic anymore.
The bottom line is, this can’t just be viewed as “another example of religion against gays”, this is just an example that we still have these assholes in this world. How many times does America have to be hit by them and finally realize they need to take them out? You can say that the Isis was built over America’s fuck up, it still doesn’t matter. You are fucking UMERIKAH. Go over there with other people in the UN and kill them all. It pisses me off that these fuckers can just kill whoever they want over here for free.
Its just not that easy. ISIS is kinda like a hydra right now. They arent just sitting down in one place waiting to plan their next thing. Theyve injected themselves into cities amongst many civilians, they have cells all over the world, they encourage lonewolf attacks out of nowhere from newly radicalized muslims who could be anybody, theyre fairly heavily funded, taking out leaders within ISIS does nothing.
Even if you were to severely cripple ISIS, theyve proven that they are everywhere already. The idea of ISIS has taken over. Where any run of the mill crazy person is happy to become a terrorist, and do shit like what happened in orlando.
Troops on the ground is the best solution for handling isis without severe civilian casualties, but even that is dangerous too, as they are heavily armed. Then you have to spend a ridiculous amount of money helping to stabilized already shitty regions of the world so that this shit doesnt take hold at this level again.
**I dont say that to seem like isis has won, and there is nothing we can do but hold that, but just that its a complicated situation. They are not like al queda. **
Ugh, as if Florida didn’t already have a ton of issues before. Another senseless tragedy. Based on the father’s story I wouldn’t be surprised if this Omar guy was a closeted homosexual whose self-hatred made him lash out by channeling religious dogma.
Now those who were leaning towards voting for Trump are now in full tilt…
Sigh If only thereal Omar was in that gay nightclub:
Part of the problem with situations like this is ISIS doesn’t even need to organize or plan these attacks. Lone wolves take inspiration from the ISIS movement then apply those tactics to the country they occupy. This guy didn’t need ISIS to shoot up a gay club; ISIS just let him idealize the act.
(Although I know what you mean, that’s highly debatable, Daemos. And by “highly debatable”, I mean “oh fuck, it has begun.” [/Shang Tsung])
Anyway, I strongly disagree with you, @Chiro. This seems less likely to be genuine mental illness and more just like the guy was an all-around, probably repressed asshole. Nothing new there, especially when it comes to the extremes of any religion. Calling it mental illness without a proper diagnosis, which admittedly we’re never going to get since he’s dead, does nothing except serve to further stigmatize the many, many people who legitimately have mental illness in this country (and around the world) and prevent them from coming out and trying to get what laughably little help there is. People with actual mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it despite the fact that people, whether in the media or just on the Internet, will basically always default to the “well, the shooter was mentally ill” nowadays. Quite a few people are just “rotten” and don’t give a fuck about other human beings, especially in the face of “paradise”, and I say this as someone who is a moral relativist.
Oh well. Stuff like is why I can’t ever take this type of conversation seriously in modern day America unfortunately There will be a bunch of blather on both sides of the aisle, but at the end of the day, neither gun laws nor mental health care (or the lack thereof) are going to change in this country, so it’s just wasted breath like always.
Yeah. This is usually my first thought whenever I hear someone overly religious goes out of their way to “gay-bash” people at specifically gay locations, especially if homosexuality is so anathema to them. Like, really, it was supposed a PDA of kissing that set him off? :rolleyes:
Meh. Unless they find a bunch of gay porn in his Internet history or some verifiable closeted (ex-)boyfriend, it’s not like we’ll ever know and it’s not like it will change anything even if do find out, at least in the eyes of the mainstream.
Dont worry Damned, am sure the authorities will release a bunch of emasculating shit on the guy to make him seem even more crazy than what he was. Anyway RIP to the victims, stay free America.
Oh, no doubt. That’s also part of the reason why I can’t even bring myself to really care, as horrifically callous as that sounds (and is).
I mean, Hades, today was the first time I’ve turned on CNN in a while to watch anyone other than Indian Dracula (read: Fareed Zakaria) and that’s just because as insufferable as CNN is when it comes to “news”, they’re still the least insufferable of the 24/7 hour “new” outlets compared to MSNBC and FOX News. This even if listening to Wolf Blitzer blather on makes me want to deafen myself temporarily.
Only news station I bother with at all is RT. Like you mentioned 3, if you throw in the BBC and Sky thats 5, and they all owned and have agenda, against each other or working with the government. At least RT is straight up hating on us both and tell us the shit our governments dont want us to hear.
The only news broadcast I generally bother with nowadays that isn’t local is PBS’s news broadcast (which is technically local still) because it is easily the most objective one on a national level for the reasons you stated. Pity that PBS’s news generally isn’t on during the weekends. Still, I’ll take quality reporting when it’s actually on even if that time is limited over constant bull-shitting “reporting” 24/7.
im best friends with a schizophrenic man that sees walls bleed dude im not trying to stigmatize anyone. man offs himself why? depression, wait don’t we classify that as a mental illness? as well as numerous other conditions. all mental illness means anymore is that there something about you mind thats not letting you cope with reality the way everyone else is so yes there was something different about this bigots mind than your typical bible thumper.
What’s the need to have guns again? Why was Japan so successful with their gun legislation? Why is it so easy to get a gun here? Why do people claim to need guys for protection statistically not use these guns for protection?
By “man offs himself”, I’m assuming you mean the shooter here and not said schizophrenic man whom you claim is your best friend. If you mean the latter, then my condolences despite it having nothing to do with the thread.
That said, people kill themselves for more reasons than depression if the former is whom you’re talking about…even though the police shot him; I guess that still counts as “suicide by cop” or “martyrdom” depending on whom you ask. I mean, I suppose it’s arguable that people who aren’t actively suffering tremendous pain (and perhaps even if they are) would only want to kill themselves if they’re “mentally ill”, but that seems a stretch. Like, Dhalsim levels of stretching given the multitude of reasons for suicide and how many “mentally ill” people don’t commit suicide.
Regardless, I wasn’t talking about you doing it intentionally, much less maliciously. It’s just the fact that you say “[A]ll mental illness means anymore is that there is something about you [sic] mind thats [sic] not letting you cope with reality the way everyone else” is the dangerous bit that’s part of problem I was talking about. “Mental illness” is such a vague term already that it getting thrown around whenever something like this happens just furthers the fact it can manipulated to mean literally anything that goes against the order just because someone else or society doesn’t get it. This despite the fact that people are never going to all have the exact same opinion even if humanity is predisposed towards (mindless) group-think a lot of the time. The more vague something is, the worse it becomes as a label.
It’s not like I’m saying that it’s impossible this guy was was “mentally ill”. I’m just saying that there’s no formal diagnosis–and, again, there likely won’t be–of such and trying to say he is does nothing but mean that “mentally ill” just gets associated with violent behavior yet again when in reality most of the time that’s not the case. So even if you’re not trying to stigmatize people, that’s what you end up doing.
Pointless argument at this point, and youve been around long enough to know better. There are almost as many guns in america as there are people. Gun reform on semi auto rifles can help curve the next person from taking out a college classroom before being taken down, but its too late to stop it all.
The federal government confiscating guns wont happen, and would be disastrous . Saying it would be disastrous is probably 1000 times nicer than how it would be. He was already an armed guard before this, but being on the fbi’s list twice, and he was still able to purchase guns a couple weeks ago that he used in this attack is going to be a lot of fuel for certain fires in this debate.
Ultimately im not sure if even an FBI watch list attachment to his name would prevent him from getting his guns (i havent researched that). It was a few years ago that he first came under their radar, and clearly he was not a person of interest enough to keep up with him.
But thats how powerful this ISIS movement is now. That a dude who was once on the FBI’s radar, got off of it, and 2 years later did this. Again, considering the amount of weapons out in the wild in america, and how many different ways you can get them, im not sure it wouldve stopped him at all. Like i told my girlfriend. I didnt even roll with gangstas growing up, but getting an unregistered gun was really really easy.
The conversation should stay focused on radical islamic terrorism, and thats it. Gun debate deflects from the larger problem at hand. Boston bombers didnt use semi auto rifles, and they fucked a bunch of people up with store bought pressure cookers. PRESSURE COOKERS. Lets not act like anarchist cookbooks and its offshoots havent been floating around the internet for decades now. This idea that a criminal or terrorist will stop his murderous plot and continue on with a normal life because of a minor stump in the road, which is all gun reform will be, is ludicrous.
