How is she taking advantage, other than by what people think she is doing, as opposed to what she actually is doing? So is she suppose to do nothing because she opposed one fucking thing about the gay community, marriage?
Are you high right now?
kkk nigga
Europe doesn’t have the hood.
I’ve noticed that the gun debate largely revolves around people admitting (either implicitly or explicitly) that America is fucked. Just deeply, deeply fucked on a cultural level and the actual debate is whether or not anything can be done to actually fix it.
I mean, most people (aside from the really nutty people who believe this is just a random act of capital E “Evil”), believe a massive shift in culture is needed, to make people care for other people in the most basic capacity (and not do them grievous bodily harm), provide better resources to those who desperately need it, adequately police those that will not play nice and generally not treat people like a meat grinder…but everyone seems to agree that will never happen and efforts should be focused on relatively easily attainable things that may or may not work.
Its like half are saying, “well…we are pretty fucked, but maybe if we fuck over all the gun owners, we can unfuck ourselves a little bit” and the other half is like “well, we are pretty fucked, we can’t unfuck ourselves, so we might as well go whole hog and just arm ourselves to the teeth to deter futher fuckery”
IF 1% of the population is fucked, there’s no reason why the 99% should be fucked by having hteir rights denied
I don’t believe he said anything about being with Isis. I think the media made that up to push the agenda against Isis of course.
Whether he was with ISIS previously, he flat out pledged allegiance right before the shooting via 911.
You really are this stupid.
You on one today. You taking estrogen, bruv?
What major politician on the left is advocating for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?
They’ve been saying “background checks” since Sandy Hook. Only recently have they started mentioning bringing back the assault weapons ban, which was in place from 1994-2004.
Background checks do exist already, and are supposed to limit purchases from felons and mentally ill, but do not work in every case/state because of limited cross reporting.
Then we need a due process way to appeal so you can be taken off the lists. But seriously, the red flags are everywhere so someone could have just stopped by and said hi, it could have made a difference.
Only certain types of restraining orders will make you fail.
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-bought multiple guns and also ATTEMPTED TO BUY MILITARY GRADE BODY ARMOR all within a 3 day period.
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he was a licensed security worker. All too easy to just claim it was for his job. Anders Brevik used his job as a farmer to get his rifles, by the way.
Define “ridiculous”. If I buy a rifle, a shotgun, a pistol and ammo, then I have everything I need for either a mass shooting, or for a three-gun competition.
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3 guns at once with no waiting period is a little ridiculous. That should probably set off a flag somewhere at least, that may connect it with something else.
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Other ideas:
A) if you want to say this is a mental health issue (it partly is), then please support further expansion of mandatory health insurance like the ACA (or even single payer). Then, you can mandate routine mental health checkups as a part of any routine physical. Then, those mental health systems can be made a part of our universal background checks. If you have severe mental illness, you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun. If you can’t see, you can’t get a driver’s license. Several of these tragedies could have prevented WITH THE SYSTEMS WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, if these systems could talk to each other. This would also curb suicides with guns.
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I won’t comment on US health insurance as I don’t know the system. However, your suicide rate is actually average amongst the rest of the world. Getting rid of guns won’t reduce them, there is absolutely no correlation between guns and suicide rate.
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In the US, women attempt suicide at 3 times the rate of men. But men are 4 times likely to die from suicide. Why?
Guns.
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All guns are lethal. What you’re proposing is Australian-level regulation, which demonstrably didn’t affect the overall murder rate.
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That’s funny, seems to be at an all time low, with a greater proportion of homicides with the result of domestic violence.
“All guns are lethal”
So… if you’re in a crowded club and in walks Joe Crazy… you wouldn’t have a preference of what he’s packing? Single Action Army or a Drum Magazine Semi Auto Shotgun, makes no difference to you?
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You don’t “need” to own a gun. Period. No, not even farmers NEED guns, there are other less efficient ways of crop protection. It is your constitutional right, so long as you can prove yourself capable of being responsible.
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That’s just it. Currently this is no method for people to “prove that they are responsible”. It’s just HERE YOU GO! No classes, no licenses, nothing.
Except the government already has taxes on ammo and firearms.
https://www.ttb.gov/firearms/faet-faqs.shtml
Not per se. But Credit card companies already ban you from using Credit Cards to gamble. I’m sure the federal government can pressure them to ban gun sales. After all, if someone buys a bunch of guns they can’t afford on credit and shoots themselves and/or other people, the credit card company isn’t likely getting that money back, you know?
And are traceable and less likely to be sold to criminals or fall into the “wrong” hands.
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Not entirely opposed to this one.
Most of these are already on the NICS check. No Fly List means that people can be denied simply if someone decides to a random person to the list. It’s happened.
Define too many guns.
Tax delinquecy won’t mean shit in Texas where there’s no income tax
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Most of these are on the check. However a lot of these organizations don’t talk to each other, or don’t report to the NICS often enough.
And tax delinquency applies to ANY. Property tax, income (state and federal), etc etc. You can’t renew your driver’s license if you haven’t paid your DMV registration… you don’t get to be a member of a “well regulated militia” if you’re not a citizen in good standing.
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H) No questions asked gun buybacks in every state.
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This didn’t work in Australia.
The government has most of these powers already.
Ultimately, there is little you can do to prevent someone from taking out people when they have decided that their life is forfeit. The goal here is “HARM MITIGATION”
Taking a class and getting/maintaining a license isn’t “punishment”, it’s the cost of living in a civilized society.
I swear. I really wish the gun lobby and the pro-choice lobby could switch places. The gun lobby has gotten so good at painting any regulation at all as a complete revocation of the 2nd amendment.
If they were in charge of the pro choice movement, you’d have mass riots anytime someone suggests that drive thru partial birth abortions by bob the chiropractor maybe isn’t the best idea. We’d probably allow abortions until babies can talk. A “try it before you buy it” program, if you will.
So someone whose been trying to oppress a group goes out to express sympathy for political gain isn’t supposed to be called on it? You cannot be serious.
Yes again I understand that. Muslims get shit on all the time in America and abroad where they get bombed. But you can be against oppression of minorities and still against the religions they believe in. All three desert dogma religions are bad. The ancient texts they are based on contain much ugliness. Understandable, as these are desert religions. In such a harsh environment, in order to survive one had to adopt an us vs them mentality. Of course, religions coming from such an area would be equally harsh and brutal. But civilization has outgrown such xenophobic genocidal misogynistic thinking. Those fundies, christian or muslim who actually believe what their holy texts say, would of course do terrible things. People as a whole need to just call out that these are just ancient mythologies and treat anyone who believes in a literal interpretation of such passages as having mental illness and treat them accordingly. You look at most christians today, few of them would believe that adam and eve actually existed. But there are many crazy people who DO think there are talking donkeys and virgin births and faith healing, and the existence of “moderate” christians give the fundies a veneer of respectability. Same with Islam. Its time to call out religion for its bs. Religion is good when it serves as a social club where people hang out and don’t actually believe any of the ancient texts. We need more massive global condemnation of religion, and protecting religions even if they are in the minority in America is bullshit. Protecting the actual minorities themselves? Good. Stopping Donald Trump? Good. Pretending these religions are fine? Bad.
Look at this shooter. He was repressed because his daddy wouldn’t let him drink alcohol - it is frowned upon in his religion. He was actually gay himself, but his religious texts told him gays are bad. OF COURSE that’s going to cause a person to go crazy. Yes, getting rid of religion wouldn’t remove all crazy people doing crazy shit, but it’d be a step in the right direction.
List of people who disarmed the populace and proceeded to butcher their political or racial adversaries:
Idi Amin
Stalin
Hitler
Kim Jong II
Fidel Castro
Pol Pot
Mao Tse Tung
Lenin
Qadaffi
Meanwhile, people ranging from every single one of our Founding Fathers to Mohandas Gandhi to the Dalai Lama support gun rights for the populace. Gandhi stated once that the disarmament of the Indian populace by the British would go down as the greatest abuse they ever committed, since it was what allowed all the other ones to occur. All the people screaming for gun control also never seem to discuss the fact that in times when we had far less gun control than we do now, gun crime was lower, as this graph shows.
If anything the facts show that crime decreases the higher the availability of weaponry to the common citizen. So why are these massacres happening now, when at no point in previous American history, with guns far more readily available and easy to obtain then they are now, are they happening? Perhaps social and cultural issues that people refuse to discuss are the real culprit here, but, since it’s not politically correct to talk about them, the real problems get ignored and the gun control rhetoric that goes nowhere and solves nothing gets pushed, and the same things keep happening with no end in sight.
You just contradicted yourself, guns are so easy to get now, and there are tons of mass shootings. countries with no guns have very few mass shootings. Its too easy to get guns, hence a mass shooting every day.
We aren’t even sure what the founding fathers wanted with gun ownership. Militias or individuals?
We do know they weren’t OK with black people owning guns.
So can we stop invoking what they think about anything?
I kinda hope for gun bans. I’d make a fortune in the black market selling my collection. $$$$$
Hope the guy who is gonna bomb your house anonymously with a drone is white 
buying presents for multiple family members in the same store should be looked at as a crime: AKA Renegade’s war on Christmas
ok, look y’allz i was being slightly facetious in some of my responses, but i’ll clear up some of the discussion a bit. the “AR” in AR-15 does not stand for “assault rifle.” it stands for Armalite, the original manufacturer of that type of rifle. “assault rifles” are fully automatic rifles. civilians and military cannot legally own fully automatic rifles without jumping through serious hoops to get them. some of those hoops include:
-TELLING LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING PURCHASING A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON AND HAVING THEM INTERVIEW YOU TO SIGN OFF ON THE APPROVAL
-PAYING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR IT
also i’d argue a bolt action rifle wouldn’t be ideal if a group of 300lb hogs rushed you.
or wolves.
or a bear.
or a large dog
these animals exist, guys.
“Cleetus, i need you to make a device that sticks a dull needle into the back of a bullet.”
“that’s impossible, Jethro. my hands will blow up.”
ok
Laws restricting access to firearms does not mean it had a direct effect on homicide rates. There are about half a dozen factors that play into it and this graph conveniently leaves them out because it makes it meaningless.
I hate when people abuse statistics like this to prove a point. It’s an affront to the truth yet they will NEVER admit it.