Man when you think about sugar just undid all of Usopps character development .Robin is the reason he even manned up in the first place without her Usopp would have went back home to being an ain’t shit ass civilian running around with kids.The fact we really can’t get consistent Robin fights and consistent Usopp is sad .Usopp being an absolute pussy has held them back a lot .His job is to snipe and shoot we barely see him do that .Even Brook went from cowardly and silly to a Bootsy Collins esque badass Who could rock you to sleep then sneak and slice your ass up .Now Usopp just flatout can’t be consistently written to be a sniper you don’t need crazy physical feats .Why couldn’t he just snipe or fight from a few hundred feet away or hell across Dressrosa .He is a sniper that doesn’t even fucking snipe
Well I also don’t think Usopp is going to run away as hard as it’s shown on the last page.
With that said, it is disappointing no matter the angle. You don’t want Oda to ‘completely’ change his character as the coward, but he was never likable, his manning up ‘Mansopp’ made him semi-likable, and then this just eradicates any growth he’s had.
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… That’s actually really clever, if that’s the case.
That said, I still think Usopp getting the hell out of there is the smart thing to do at that point. Realistically, he alone can’t do shit about Sugar and snot-guy, especially with them being out in the open, amongst a whole army of people. If he tried, he WOULD be doing a self-sacrifice thing.
Hopefully Mansopp will return to some extent next time we see him, once he’s out of immediate danger.
He’s just running away to grab his sogeking mask he dropped some miles back. No worries…
Why is it Luffy always wears cheesy yet badass shirts
My nig Usopp is running to get some distance for his long range bombardment, neither snot dude or the Sugar midget will see it coming.
That being said, it was a disappointing ending to the chapter to even allude to the possibility that one of the Strawhats is a punk coward aside from Nami who can get away with it cause of that body.
Even though I dont read the manga I can see and understand the frustration of Usopp. He is the one “regular guy” you want to relate to and cheer on and hope he gets stronger. The times when he wasn’t afraid and stood his ground was some of the best stories. Usopp vs Luffy was amazing. He supposed to be as good as his father and at times it shows but jeez this coward shit wont fly if they ever fight blackbeard crew.
Someone needs to teach ussop Kenboushoku Haki. With that as a sniper, with his already amazing skills, he’d be unstoppable. I bet Yassop can already take everyone on this island out. I expect everyone on shanks crew to be at least Admiral level+.
Maybe one day Ussop can run into his father and he’d teach him the ropes
With the injuries Ussop has survived he ranks 3rd on the crew when it comes surviving nearly fatal injuries. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s being subconsciously using Armaments Haki all this time.
And yeah, I’m pretty sure everyone in Shanks’ inner circle are at least Shichibukai tier.
Admiral tier might be a bit of a stretch though.
Nigga kizaru was scared to attack after benn beckman arrived. I doubt they were only scared of shanks alone, after just killing whitebeard. Each and every one of them should have the power to have taken out any of the admirals at the time, because Whitebeard sure as hell did, but most of his crew didn’t.
Benn Beckman is Shanks’ First Mate, you can’t really compare him to the rest of his mostly unnamed crew. Benn could easily be Admiral/Rayleigh tier, but not the entire crew.
I would kill to see Tryhard Shanks though. I really want to see what the One Armed Bandit is capable of.
You’re making a huge leap. Benn Beckman is Shank’s first mate, so to say that he is Admiral level is reasonable. It was the same thing with Whitebeard’s first mate, Marco. He was able to compete with the Admirals (Kizaru and Aokiji, before handcuffs).
The rest of his crew though? Even the higher-ups like Ace and Jozu barely stood a chance.
We’ve seen a bit Big Mom’s crew too, Pekoms and Tamago are definitely not admiral level+ either. Though I suspect that Bobbin might be.
And Kaido’s crew? Let’s just say that if his entire zoan army was admiral level+ there’d be a serious problem.
So yeah, this statement is highly unlikely. I think you may be underestimating how strong Admirals actually are. They are far above the level of Shichibukai and are even able to compete with the Yonko (as we’ve seen).
They’re actually really quite terrifying when you think about it.
Ninja’d by white shadow, hah.
I’d kill to see tryhard Dragon.
My theory works if you look at the Whitebeard and Marco situation vs the Shanks and Beckman situation.
Whitebeard’s crew was a better matchup for them than Shank’s crew had to be. Heres why I think so.
You mentioned that Ace, Jozu, and Vista can bareley fuck with the admirals but marco and whitebeard can. That means that even though they were going against one of if not the absolute strongest pirate in the world thank’s to his devil fruit, if they can incapacitate whitebeard and marco, they pretty much have the battle locked.
This was not the same case with shanks’ crew’s arrival. If it was just Benn Beckman and Shanks’ that were actual threats I’m sure Garp, Sengoku, and the admirals would have no problem taking them out. The only one with serious injuries was Akainu afterall. But the presence of his crew there made them stop, because that many guys packing in that much power is too much for them to handle. If it was just Beckman and Shanks, I’m sure that they would have no problem taking them out, even though mihawk left. Unless shanks and Beckman are simply that strong that three admirals, and admiral level vice admiral, and the fleet admiral can’t take them out. I’d actually believe that too, but with the way akainu was talking just before shanks shocked the shit out of him, i doubt 2 guys were really that much of a threat. Even Shanks and Beckman.
EDIT: To talk about the most recent chapter, I believe why Ussop’s character seems to have undergone character regression was because his memories of his bravery during the enies lobby arc are all fucked up, which is where he got a massive confidence boost. Its easier to accept this than Oda sraight up butchering a character for the sake of character roles.
The presence of the Red Haired pirates made them stop because they are extremely formidable and the Marines were severely weakened, that doesn’t mean they’re all Admiral level. Like I said before, I think all of Shanks’ inner circle (Da OGs) are at least Shichibukai level, which is not insignificant; especially considering that the Marines would’ve definitely lost if the Shichibukai wasn’t aiding them.
It’s simple math, if you had a crew full of Admirals, why would there even be 3 Great Powers? The whole reason why the World Government was pissing their pants when Shanks and Whitebeard were meeting up was because if they formed an alliance, it would cause a severe unbalancing of the 3 Great Powers and they wouldn’t survive. If Shanks was already rockin’ a whole crew full of Admiral level fighters, they would’ve been in serious trouble from day one.
"When Robin and the Dwarfs join the battle, Ussop is in charge of dealing out the ass whooping. Ussop: ‘leave it to me!’ "
Oba plz -_-
Nope. Shanks crew I HIGHLY doubt is full of warlord level or higher people. If they were, then the Warlord system with 8 Shichibukai would be too insignificant to help act as a balancing force. At a minimum the 8 Warlords should be able to equal out (1) of the Yonkos. And for a gov’t as evolved as the one in OP, more than likely they sought a balance of
3 Admirals = 1 Yonko Crew
All Vice Admirals = 1 Yonko Crew
4 Shichibukai = 1 Yonko Crew
Leading to the gov’t being able to deal with all 4 Yonkos simultaneously if need be.
The reason everyone froze up was simple - going by the math I just wrote down and the current levels of everyone there through all the fighting - the 3 Admirals would have been ‘OK’ to fight Shanks crew, but between the Vice Ads and Warlords, those two would have to still fight the rest of Whitebeards crew, who would be riled up, you had other pirates - who while acting as filler, made it unfavorable, then you had Blackbeard who was one of the Warlords that was supposed to help out, turning coat, but with him having a brand new crew and new powers he was unfamilar with AND getting what he came for, it just made sense for everyone to stop.
Ace & Whitebeard were dead…Marines got what they wanted.
Blackbeard got the earthquake fruit AND a Level 5 or whatever crew.
Pirates had been beaten pretty much with only second in commands and fillers left.
Continuing to fight once Shanks got there would not have been beneficial for ANYONE.
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Here are my calculations.
I’d like to start with I don’t think it’s fair to judge by rank.
Honestly the only thing I can say with a bit of certainty is that a Yonko can handle an admiral if not 2.
From there I’ll be doing this based off of individuals.
I believe that Marco can beat Kizaru/Aokiji but not Akainu. Same goes for Ace and Beckman. Akainu is just simply too strong and his fruit renders Ace’s useless so to say crew mates can’t be on Admiral level I think is silly.
I believe that Dragon is on Yonko or at least admiral level.
Warlords are a whole other story.
I don’t think that 4 warlords = 1 yonko crew because Doflamingo and Mihawk are leagues ahead of the rest.
Kuma, Hancock, Buggy and Moriah couldn’t touch a Yonko crew while Mihawk could be on admiral level and Mihawk, Dofla, Crocodile and Law could definitely take out a Yonko and some mates.
I know my predictions are al over the place but I think ranks should be based off of individuals.
Judging by the reaction Akainu had when Shanks engaged him, as well as the uneasiness of Sengoku, it was clear that the Marines were in deep trouble. It’s not that they would’ve been steamrolled, but their fates were definitely undecided.
Like what TimTim said, a Shichibukai is basically a super strong fighter, not all of them are created equal but they’re all influential and strong (sans Buggy). Mihawk alone is pretty much Yonkou level and is currently unmatched in swordsmanship, while former Shichibukai Crocodile was beaten by pre-Haki Luffy.
Shanks’ inner circle could all be Shichibukai level, that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re all a bunch of Mihawks or Doflamingos, some could be Laws or Morias.
You know shit’s bad when people are talking about power levels for a book that tries its very best to stay away from that. At this point, Oda might as well start writing novels since he’s got this massive hard on for every character (supporting or otherwise) having his/her backstory fleshed out.