This literally made me “lol”, woke up my dog.
Gotta say though, against sim and viper, it’s like I forget how to block. Not sure what exactly it is, but I just eat everything to the face. My actual question is, are there any normals to throw out against sim’s limbs? Theirs always DP spamming, but that get’s predictable. Anything to the likeness of c.mp for blanka ball?
This literally made me “lol”, woke up my dog.
Gotta say though, against sim and viper, it’s like I forget how to block. Not sure what exactly it is, but I just eat everything to the face. My actual question is, are there any normals to throw out against sim’s limbs? Theirs always DP spamming, but that get’s predictable. Anything to the likeness of c.mp for blanka ball?
c.mp beats his kick that stretches diagonally upward (I think it’s his standing forward or roundhouse, but I don’t really know his normals) at the start of the round (so I’m assuming that’s the spacing of it. You can also sweep his limbs. Focus fishing and kara focus fishing is ok, as long as there isn’t a fireball on screen.
Aside from that, I’ve had some hax c.fierces beat some of his pokes before (botched shoryus). Other than that, I don’t know…
is still waiting on some Rufus advice… Tempted to PM Dr. Chaos directly…
c.mp beats his kick that stretches diagonally upward (I think it’s his standing forward or roundhouse, but I don’t really know his normals) at the start of the round (so I’m assuming that’s the spacing of it. You can also sweep his limbs. Focus fishing and kara focus fishing is ok, as long as there isn’t a fireball on screen.
Aside from that, I’ve had some hax c.fierces beat some of his pokes before (botched shoryus). Other than that, I don’t know…
is still waiting on some Rufus advice… Tempted to PM Dr. Chaos directly…
i know it sounds like shadow is just being a dick but really there isn’t a whole lot of advice that you can give someone on this matchup over the internet. he is saying that you just have to practice the match and get better at reading her mix-ups (because once you get past the confusion that her mix-ups can bring you should realize that her moves really aren’t that fast) and picking your spots to put the match back in your favor with things like cr.mk under burn kick and jump back normals to stop her from doing so much of her high-flying antics… so yeah just grind it out and eventually you will get better at blocking her shit.
well unfortunately there is no magic button like against blanka, each of sim’s pokes can probably be counter-poked by kens stuff, but i don’t know exactly what beats what as i ussually try to focus on shutting down the fp with sweep and the lk with mp then he only has 3 pokes left, none of which i think are overly fast.
I was listening to Jwong’s podcast thing with Gootecks and he was talking about how his dive kick doesn’t have to be blocked high, it can actually be blocked low. He was also talking about how people see rufus dive kick and immediatly worry, unfortunetly the advice was for Balrog so he didn’t give too specifics, but it sounded like there was a way to punish it, or even just get out of it. I personally wait for his dive kick shenanigans to wear off by him going for the grab, or waiting for the start of the combo to (wait for it) mash it fierce DP (assuming I have two bars to throw away, which I try to always have).
Unless rufus get’s in on me, i usually find the match to be free. Just have to watch out for the EX messiah kick, but watching their meter can usually tell me when those are about to pop up. Hope that helped any.
I might play around in training mode to see what moves beat what pokes. I’ll post the results here for anyone interested. I have one more question for the sim match up. It seems that he can make the distance to jump in appear safer then it actually is, with that darned knee attack and throwing out different sized fireballs. Any way of snuffing that knee attack? Does j.lk or j.fp get it at a certain timing? Or am I just being stupid for trying to jump in? I find patient sims to be some of my most painful match ups.
Edited: For some reason every time I post, it posts it twice, and I have such a hard time deleting the 2nd one. Anyone else having this problem? I’m posting it here because this is the 2nd time in this thread it’s happened.
Edit: This is White Shadow posting from my buddy’s account.
Okay let me elaborate. To do well against Viper you’ve just gotta figure out what the hell she’s actually doing. Like Highlulu said, you’ve just gotta grind out the match up and get exp. Viper’s mix up is good, but not as vast as you might think it is. Burn kicks can be blocked low, so if the Viper player is just trying to mix up with vanilla burn kicks, it comes down to reading your opponent. You have to guess whether or not they’re going to try and cross you up or not. Then they might start doing j.HK which crosses up as well, so you have to block high. Still blocks burn kicks. If they read you’re starting to block that they might start doing empty jumps into low attacks or throws. So there is no magic solution to the Viper match-up. You’re not losing to Viper you’re losing to the player. They’re mixing your shit up like a slap chop and you’re Vince’s nuts. Really what you need to do is get a knockdown and abuse her on wake-up. You can safe jump her and her defense is ass. I took a break from typing and forgot where I was going with this so this will have to do as a starting point.
Its funny someone asks about Sim and I look over it considering I never see any Sims. Next thing I know I fight about 5-6 in about 2 hrs of playing… Needless to say I whent back and read the post.
Ive fought a few Rufus’, just watch that ex messiah kick on wakeup.
Well it looks like I’m playing the match up correctly… I just need to not be buzzed so I can zone him a bit better. I love baiting that wake up EX Messiah with a c.short… It’s so fucking godlike. I think MagMan said you could do it with c.forward, too… But I haven’t been bold enough to try it.
Dr. Chaos and MagMan, I know it’s been asked before and that it is difficult to update the thread… can we just get one character a month? It would be awesome to have those first few posts eventually full of matchup info. Just go in the order you posted them to make things easy.
Hey,Doc. I heard you were going to switch to playing Adon when SSF4 comes out. Is this true?
If so,are you still going to try and stick with Ken a little bit?
There were some corrections. I played my brother again today and he started doing EX Seismo > Cancel on my ambiguous safe-jump. It looks like the best choice against Viper after a throw or a sweep is ambiguous safe-jump option select F. SRK. Please look at the quote above for more info.
So I was playing against my cousin online yesterday, and he was able to do EX Tatsus and continue with another string. Now I’m wondering why he is able to do that while I can’t. When I do it, he can get me right after, SRK, grab, poke, etc.
Here’s a ref of how he plays.
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Another thing, does an ultra connect if it’s a jump-in? He said it doesn’t work offline.
lol jumpin mk hp and hk can b conected with ultra they are real tight especaily the mk, i didnt believe it at 1st but i testd it and it wurks i dnt use it but its there lol,also if he doing a string after ex tatsu then his timing is on point and urs is off plain AND SIMPLE,if the viper like to back dash or ex sesimo on wakeup, os tatsu is the way to go if they like to burn kik mp srk is the way to go, u should b using the os sweep only when she is on wakeup but u didnt do the safejump, hope that helps
True, but OS M. SRK after ambiguous safe-jump can be punished with back dash and OS EX Tatsu after ambiguous safe-jump can be punished with EX Burning Kick.
The best OS is F. SRK after ambiguous safe-jump because it punishes all of Viper’s wake up options except EX Burning Kick. In this case, both of you guys will whiff and nobody gets hurt. She also wastes 1 bar.
eh the f.srk suk tho shity damage and most of the time u jus clip her, it is the safest i supose, butwhat about option select ultra that shuld punish flame kiks seismos and posibly backdash
It’s not about the damage, it’s about taking the safest option. I never tried OS Ultra on Viper, but I think it’ll lose to back dash and EX Seismo > Cancel (6 frames).
os ultra punishes everything but backdash. i like to do a few c.mp OS tatsu’s then pull the ultra with a lifelead. vipers tend to think they’ll suprise you with a wakeup burn kick or they overestimate the invincibility of ex seismo.
OS ultra sucks tho TBH, wiffed ultra = free lol fierce feint fierce combo
what are the imputs for os ultra with out the safejump, i cant os anything with safe jump but from the ground i can only os normals, ive ben tryn to lern how to option select specials and ultras from the ground help?
i knw it punishes seismos and burnkiks, her back dash is short so it might punish that too, but i feel you on using the safest option but u knw as ken we gona have to take some risk eventualy with the life lead i sugest os f.srk but if u tryna make a comback and u get that knockdown u want the os to hurt