lol, no, no, i’m not the dood you were hangin out with, I just met you at the Orleans and played you on Marvel a few times, then a bunch of other people from Vegas came and talked to you, lol.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Japan can’t money match period because gambling there is illegal? Usually tournament prizes are like random anime related things because winning money would make it too close to gambling.
I feel ya man, My boy George invited some of yall to our room at Final Round for some non-money match casuals, and team orlando came in with the MM, I didnt want to be rude so I just went with the flow, I got no issues with money matches, jus not all the time
When I travel places I money match. Why? To get some money back from the trip. Lets be honest here, in most tournaments you don’t get refunded for anything outside of top 3. Anything else with money on the line will payoff around 10% or so of the top placings, but in the general tourney, its top 3. Problem is, most KNOW before they get to a tournament that they won’t be getting top 3. Money matches let them make money off of the competition.
Its great and all to play for the competition, I play/act competitively in just about everything I do. However, when you feel you’ve worked hard enough in something you kinda want some kind of compensation outside of a good feeling and a handshake, or at least enough to fund the expensive trips (well, expensive to me anyways). Dereklearnslow said he didn’t feel the need to make money off of games, and that’s great for him, but I’m a broke university student, so making money off of my hobies is great. Not to mention, anybody who actually needs the money from their MMs is automatically forced to play better, since the money is worth more to them than that handshake. . .
I go to tournaments for the experience, don’t get me wrong, but if I can recoup the losses that generally result in paying to travel by taking peoples money, I’m perfectly okay with that.
And about the big money gambles that have been going on, I’m okay with those too. Justin made that video calling out those players and things got heated. In North America, money is the end point of everything it seems, so instead of just playing some matches to try to show Justin that that vid was a bunch of BS, money was put down. I’m not even aware how much of the money was from cl0ck or Justin or Shady, but I’m sure that since it was such a heated match all the backers jumped on to support their guy who they ‘knew’ would win the set. Anybody take a count at how much money exchanged hands during the JWong/Sanford set at ECC last year? Gambling is natural, no use ragging on it because you think it means nothing. People are just trying to make some money.
They are ENTERTAINING. Hype, money, drama… It’s a show.
Get this fag shit outta here.
That’s the same argument I’m trying to make.
Money makes the players to play seriously. It’s very interesting to watch.
There’s a brazilian who wants a MM with Justin, he says he’s gonna win a random mirror match (like, both with same random characters). Although I don’t even believe he’s travelling to US.
Casual sucks. Everybody is sandbagging and any result is meaningless. Money matches bring in the hype, and are a nice addition for tourneys. If you want casuals, play at your local arcade and be happy forever.
About JWong, there are hundreds of people wanting to play him every major. Obviosuly, he can not play everyone. So he does MMs. He plays with some people, and get some money. He has no obligation whatsoever to get tired playing scrubs all day and all night in all games.
The most important thing, however, is to TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN LIFE. If 2 random guys wants to MM each other, let them do it. If you don’t like it, simply don’t participate in it. Being a cry baby about it is no help.
Yes.
Don’t forget about RealDolls.
No creating hype can be fun some times. If its in a possitive way. I dont agree with large amounts of money but no one is forcing u to money match. Its just for fun lol.
I dont know the gamers u play with so maybe there different. But as far as hyping and putting on a show, thats okay man. i like to laugh alot so i dont see a problem with it. Plus its even crazier when its to reallty good people playing and its over chicken! i mean that serious business. Burritos too. and every now and then some Chinese food bets. 
not to dick ride, but derek is tops in the midwest in Marvel, so he does know a thing or two about the gap in skill level between tops – bottom.
just to clarify.
Money matches happen cause people are always talking shit about being good. Also they’re hype. I enjoy betting on a close match than actually betting on myself vs someone though.
What the hell does taking care of my own life have to do with anything? I was just stating an opinion.
So go ahead and MM to all your heart’s contents for all I care. Now quit being a crybaby about how I’m being a crybaby.
I do agree that there is almost too much of a focus on MMs, I don’t really see too many people posting up in threads asking people for casuals. (I mean it happens, but the ratio of that to MM is like 10:1).
They are something that people like to play in, and people like to watch. (I don’t really like playing in them for the same reason Gerjay likes to play them, I’m a broke college student, I don’t have money to be throwing around.) So I don’t think they are a bad thing, just too much focus on them I think.
Though I do think it’s dumb for people who refuse to play anything but money matches, where’s the fun in that? It’s like going to a convention for any hobby, and being able to get tips and stuff from pros, how much would it suck if to get your art portfolio just looked at for a few minutes and the guy wanted 100 bucks?
I’m sure after DPC said all that stuff about the WC MvC2 players they would have played him just as hard if there was no money on the line.
Though I am in favor of matches for various foodstuffs.
Though perhaps it’s just a different focus for me than other people, I try to maximize the fun I have, not the hype. I really could care less how much exaggerated publicity a game I play in gets, just want to have a good time playing it.
As someone who didn’t have a job when MvC2/CvS1 were new and basically supported himself through money matches and tournament winnings, I should probably say something.
Maybe I’m just a gambler. When I was in college, my roommate and I used to bet on what color hair the next person who walked in would have (until I found out he was rigging it, fucking cheapass). I’ve bet on sports since I was 10 years old and I’m a professional gambler now. I almost got kicked off my high school golf team for running money matches during official practices. I know I’m not alone, competitive gaming has a whole lot of gamblers in the hobby. But for people who like gambling, betting on the outcome of a match (especially one you’re not even actually playing in) seems no different from betting on golf or betting on football.
The “big money” MMs started mostly because idiots talk too much shit. You have no idea how tiresome/boring it gets reading emails/IMs/message board posts from idiots saying how much you suck and how much better they are than you and how if they were playing you on _____ video, they would have totally whooped your ass. I used to get 5-6 of these idiots a day when I was still good at games. God knows how much of it Justin gets. MM is a good solution to this problem. It a) puts idiots in their place, b) makes me feel good about myself and c) makes it so that I don’t have to get a real job. I see no losing in this for me. I see a lot of losing in it for shit talking idiots, which is always a good thing.
I will say that I agree with you on one thing. MM-only side matches during tournaments has to stop. Last year at Evo Worlds, the only way to get a match at the Marvel casual station was to put money on it. Because I just wanted to play I had to challenge Desmond to a MM, which was pretty gay IMO. I think that more people should do MMs in their rooms and leave the BYOC area to simply casual play but what do I know.
Bottom line though, this is a hobby mostly comprised of 18-29 year old males, all of whom are at major tournaments trying to prove something. You’re not going to stop beef between groups like this so MMs are kind of inevitable. At least it cuts down on the amount of SF4 in the parking lot going on, so it’s kind of the lesser of two evils. Plus winning a RL fight doesn’t benefit you too much. Winning a MM does.
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i’ll play you a few casual games derek
i can also vouch for derek’s skill
I can vouch for derek boy got still and he’s mad chill <3
I don’t have a problem with small money matches, maybe 1 dollar per match, just for shits and giggles. But there’s no way in hell I would ever bet big money, I just have way too many responsibilities (bills, rent, etc.) and couldn’t afford to lose it. I’m with you on games being relaxing, I do it to relax and have fun, not for more stress.
I agree, money matches can be fun, but now in the mvc2 crowd it’s usually for people who can’t place or choke in tournies that feel the need to prove something.
At last evo, I saw that one person “cableguy” repeatedly asking some xvssf player to mm him since he lost to him in he tourney, other guy kept declining and looked annoyed.
yeah cableguy is a real piece of shit