The problem with playing for chip is that if the opponent has XF they can just wait for you to turn your XF on and then you’re fucked. You have no high low mix up, no assists for left right mix up (Chris can’t even do left/right mix ups either way), and the best part YOU CAN’T CHIP THEM. It’s just a bad version of early storm anchor chip out stuff that also gets killed by just holding onto XF. You will not be able to play for the chip against anyone who is actually good at the game
. If you’re playing against a character that can wall jump, fly, super jump really high or generally just lame out at the top left/right of the screen…you’re EVEN MORE fucked. Chris needs a vertical assist like jam session or hidden missiles to hit anybody laming out at the top of the screen. If you have to fight like Magneto, Doom, Chun Li, X-23, Trish, Storm as anchor…just put the stick/controller down cuz it’s over. Chris was just strangely designed as a character that can’t aim his guns upward and is totally reliant on assists to shoot at anything above and away from him.
I agree with you though that gun fire works for Captain’s mix ups and pressure but it’s generally just not as strong or durable as other horizontal based assists and is putting Chris in a spot that severely limits his effectiveness when he has to come out on point. Chris needs people backing him up EVEN MORE than Cap.
That wasn’t the full/proper combo (it was more or less a hit confirm from a mixup I was going to do), the full combo with no DHC does roughly 760k, DHC to Spencer takes it to 960k, pickup with Spencer takes it to over 1.1mil, and if needed DHC back to Cap takes it to over 1.3mil. I don’t remember what the damage is from a full jumpin attack since it’s almost always started from a c.L punish.
We were both playing pretty ugly in the first few matches, you can hear me say in the video that my fingers were freezing (literally just sat down from coming inside from working on my car)…still in shock that I was able to do that combo (yay for muscle memory, even when you can’t feel them lol), I didn’t even try any real mixups for fear of horrible inputs.
I’m not sure if he’ll upload the rest/more (we fought something like 28 fights or so, but some a couple were garbage due to lag spikes), but stuff got more solid as we warmed up.
Good advice by all, you’re all saying pretty much the same thing I told him that night. This isn’t the team I thought I was going to fight (though he still played Chris/Cap/IronMan), but he switched cuz he just wasn’t having fun with IronMan. We both went through different orders/teams (I also used at least my #2 Spencer/IronMan/Doom, and I think #3 IronMan/Chris/Doom teams).
I think I have that full relaunch combo on video already so I’ll try to find it and post it to give you some ideas for your own.
yeah…as far as synergy is concerned, i think my team has the potential to work if i use the right assists. I had the wrong Chris assist on just for instance (i usually use gun fire, but on the preset i put on the mine by accident.)
But, i dont know wat to say really, i just have fun using characters i like. I’ve been working to see wat team combos work with this team and im getting some stuff down, but its still a work in progress.
As for the dropped combos, you can ask Kei, idk, a lot of the times where launchers were supposed to come out, they didnt. I had a particularly hard time with the lag, and i know some people can operate w/ lag, but im just not one of those people. That said Kei was understanding, but I think next time we fight ill be able to put up a better match (hopefully).
@Kei, yeah i still have some matches to put up. I took out most of the ones with lag spikes ( which turned out to be quite a few) but i got more on the way. Im down for another set tho when i get some free time.
If you’re like me, and you can’t really adapt to lag or (lack there of, if you spend most of your time online) then it would be advisable that you avoid playing online. Mvc3 online is brutal, I can’t do anything with Steve…
Meh, I’m alright online so long as I A) Don’t take losses too hard. Online doesn’t mean shit. B) The lag, regardless of how much there is, stays constant. It’s fluctuating lag that does the most damage IMO.
I took games off a lot of people at SB playing like this, including one off of Flocker (A secondary team, but one with which he was beating everyone nonetheless.).
You really just have to play it smart. If Chris has meter, he can easily wait out X-factor. Traps help with this too if used right. If they used X-factor earlier, they’re fucked. X-factor out of block for Chris can rape as well. He also does have a few safe options close up and a good airgrab.
I’m not saying he’s a good character, and anyone who can shoot him from the top corners owns him for free, but if you are using him as anchor, your main goal is to chip and out last their X-factor then turn on yours.
Granted, he probably is better on point, but he works pretty well as an anchor too (DEPENDS ON THE OPPOSING TEAM! If they have someone who can shoot you from the corners in reserve, don’t keep him as anchor!)
That being said, there are better characters to use. The only real reason to play Chris is because you enjoy playing as him. Everything he can do in Vanilla someone else can do better.
You can take games off anybody with any random thing in this game cuz…it’s MVC3.
The issue is that a long term anchor strategy for competitive tournaments just isn’t gonna work. Way too many ways to counter it. LLND works his butt off to sometimes kill people with Chris on point. You can make things work once in a while in MVC3 just because if it hits them it’ll kill them but that’s like saying Haggar will kill Phoenix or Zero if he hits them.
I mean I think you can make really solid teams with him on point where you’re just focused on meter building when you chip rather than trying to kill people with the chip on some desperado action adventure game type shit. As anchor in XF he basically just turns into a Halo character that can’t shoot upwards. It might win sometimes but he’s fucked if the XF gets lamed out.
It’ll work alright for just online battles if you just switch Chris to gun assist but you can’t expect to scare anybody with a high tier team no matter how you order that team. Someone is going to get left with shitty assists or worse none (all of those guys without assists are effectively done against any high tier team). You would definitely do better overall just focusing on stacking up one of the characters but, I can’t tell you what to like. If the team is fun then definitely go for it either way.
Sorry for the double post but here is my farewell MvC3 Captain America combo video. I hope you guys enjoy it! Happy Veterans day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnd7jwIKsFI
caps cartwheel is soooo broken lmaoo! I love it omg. . . . combined with hawkeye’s assist and whoever your facing should just put down the controller lol
when you have an opponent in acorner combo and end with j S, you can use light shield slash + assist to OTG and relaunch. I’ve tried this with doom, modok, dr strange and phoenix wright, pretty much every assist will help u keep them up so u can get one more loop. helps a lot especially when you happy birthday opponents… in vanilla a shield slash will only hit one guy, but in ulti u can just end your air string with S, then otg both characters with light shield slash.
of course, u can just pop x factor and relaunch if you wanted an assistless option.
