I think a large problem hereis that the people commenting against OG players have never really played the OG games at a competitive level, and therefore lack the perspective needed to really comment at all.
The same is the same for some of the OG players talking about new games, but due to the natural exposure new games get, I am willing to bet more have them have attempted playing those games at a competitive level then the other side of the coin.
going back to my original point, the ‘OGs’ that hate on new games all the time simply aren’t very notable. It’s mostly just forum warriors.
It’s not enough to play an old game on GGPO/emulator and form an opinion based on that? O.o
3s is the greatest fighting game of all time…hands down
and who the fuck are you?
everyone’s opinions are of equal value yo, despite their social status in a niche corner of competitive video games.
Also politics; sponsored players and people looking to make a professional career out of video games have to stay up with what’s trendy in order to make
the best of it. This isn’t a dig on them in anyway, I have to do the same in my own career. A bunch of them might prefer older games despite what they have to say in
order to stay relevant and make the most of out their skills, but its impossible to tell either way.
‘Competitively’ is the keyword here. All the people on GGPO are generally at a very high skill level for their game. You would have to grind for a bit before being able to even touch anyone.
Imagine you are playing Sf4 for the first time, and the only people available to play are 50 high level people that know every single trick, option select and matchup to
exploit against you, and you know nothing. Do you think your opinion of the game would be positive?
I don’t pretend to be anybody, or to represent anybody but me 
Nobody is making enough money off this to play games they hate for money, though… count on that.
Yet you always make generalizations about the OG, tournament players, the fgc or act like if you know what the casuals want 
Everyone loved MVC2, until infinites were discovered and their favorite character(s) proved vastly inferior to the top tier gods. Now people prefer MVC3 cause the roster is more viable.
you completely avoided the point I made. I wasn’t accusing you of being anyone else, I was accusing of you of thinking that others people’s opinion’s are worth more then others due to some sort of popularity.
you also completely missed my other point.
Yeah, they aren’t making a lot of money off of playing video games, so for the people who are passionate in playing videogames more then
anything else, its important to play the ones that give them a bigger chance at receiving money from it. That’s the point.
This doesn’t make them bad people, or shadow over their impressive skills, but in order to stay the best they have to play the most, in order to play the most it has to be their main concentration, in order for it to be their main concentration they need to make some kind of money off of it and in order to make money off of it they have to play the games which are socially relevant.
Duh.
well first of all, my position would be that people that make those particular generalizations (like the “All these new games suck/damn kids on my lawn”), although their opinions are theoretically as valid as anyone elses’, their position is more than weak enough to look at it all in askance. Their OG’ness doesn’t make them more or less right than anyone else, but their bad generalizations sure matter.
on the second point, I’m pretty sure that’s not right. Even with sponsorships, it’s a losing proposition moneywise for even the best players there are. It’s pretty safe to say it’s much more about pursuing competition and attention than it is about pursuing money. No matter how much you love a game, you’re not gonna get much fun if you’re 5x as good as everyone around you… but the reverse doesn’t hold. If you hate playing a game, no amount of good comp will make it worth playing (the ‘forum OGs’ on here would probably agree with that, I’d think).
There’s no reason to believe that the Valles or the Cannons of the world secretly hate all these games they play and/or promote, especially not to fit some halfassed trope.
The safest generalization in the world is that fighting games are still games. In general we don’t play games we don’t enjoy, at least not for very long.
Their opinion IS valid because a lot of them have the perspective of actually PLAYING all the games. Also its not even that they hate ALL new games, or ALL new people in the community.
These individuals generally have a strong dislike for
a) games with mechanics that pander to people with less mechanical experience, or have certain comeback mechanics that allow for a less stratigic approach to the overall outplay of a game
b) new folks to the community who don’t understand how such mechanics can hold back the overall competitiveness/technical strategy that make these games
so interesting to begin with, and vocalize as such in an annoying way.
There are many games/new members to the FGC that don’t fall into these columns like Skull Girls and Virtua Fighter 5 (and Tekken? how’s that doing, I don’t really keep up with it).
Keep in mind I am NOT presenting myself as one of these people or as any kind of OG, but I think this is where these individuals are coming from and I don’t necessarily think its a bad thing.
I am making this super clear for you because you aren’t really addressing my points in anyway.
For example, when accusing you of saying you think other people’s opinions are worth more because of their popularity/success
outweighs those who aren’t in the same position, you went on generalizing a bunch of people by accusing them of generalizing, which is pretty silly.
And once again, I think you missed what I was trying to say with my other point.
Fact: Some people love playing fighting games so much its all they want to do with their life. They want it to be their profession.
Fact: None of them really make any good money from it.
Fact: They are in it to be the best, that’s what drives them, but what drives their ability to be the best is time, and to afford that time they need to
make as much off of their passion as they can. to do that, they have to play the new games.
These guys enjoy the competition to go where it is, since to many that’s what’s most enjoyable for them. They might enjoy the old games more, but there is enough incentive to forgive some of the things they don’t like to play games like AE and Marvel 3. This would probably apply to a lot of other OG’s if they had as much incentive/passion to play the games at the level the others do.
They play the games because its what they have to do in order to do what they love most, more.
Do you think Justing Wong prefers Marvel 2, or Marvel 3? Most would say Marvel 2, but he plays Marvel 3 more now due to the competition that is their.
Same goes with a lot of peeps.
That would be a shock to this universe, since the first infinites were discovered about week one or two* of MvC2 and yet participation in tournaments kept climbing until Dreamcasts started physically dying.
Hope the pizza is good in your universe.
*: That’s possibly incorrect. Anybody in the loctest may know of earlier infinites. I envy those guys. :tup:
I’m still looking for this study of OGs Hating New Games. The plural of anecdote is not data.
OP is laughing or weeping at how well this worked out
HDR would have been played more than UMvC3? Ignoring the possibility UMvC3 might not even gotten made if it weren’t for SFIV, the simple answer is no, never. Not in a million years.
Well, I guess you are right. You are also right when you play devil’s advocate and speculate that if it wasn’t for SF4, MvC3 would not be released. Unless they picked HDR and named it SF4 - hopefully fixing those bland graphics, bland music and weird animation - which would, undeniably, make it n. 1, regardless. It might be appropriate to mention that the main HDR issues* are related to lack of support and limited budget. It could easily be twice as good, and it really isn’t a bad game at all. A few frowned upon it due to high expectations, while MvC3 did annoy MvC2 fans - for similar reasons why SF4 disappointed a number of SF2 - and even 3 - fans.
The matter is, in fact, HDR would be alive. Even if MvC2 got remixed and rebalanced, well, then I guess that would be nr 1 in US while the imaginary SF4 (HDR) would be nr 1 elsewhere. But it would be alive, and at least nr 2 in entrants at EVO - second to imaginary MvC3 (MvC2:HDR).
*probably too much a thread hijack to discuss them here.
I think at that time I played SF2 the least out of all games in the arcades. I spent more time playing World Heroes 2 and Samurai Shodown 1 on a small local arcade. I played SF2 - The New Challengers, mostly on the Mega Drive.A lot easier than the arcades due to the Genesis controllers!
Even at that time there was a huge hype when Street Fighter 2 was announced for the SNES, so one could claim that a great part of SF2 users played the console port instead of visiting the arcades. Unfortunately SF2 was one of the few exceptions of a good arcade port, up until the mid-90s with the Playstation and Saturn. Even at that time a great deal of players were left out of the arcade scenes, mainly due to age restrictions and time management. It was much easier to stay at home and play the console version with a pad, than go to the arcades, play for a few minutes when you couldnt breathe and leave.
This thread needs to die or be locked.
Also - play whatever games you like. Who cares to what other people think?
I get last post!
Breakdown (mouth beatbox):
OG players hate most of the newer games because the bar has been lowered, things are easier to pull off and favor casuals.
New players hate the old games because they’re too hard and punish you bad if you make as much as one to two mistakes.
End thread.
You’re welcome!
wow thats very cool and smart and enlightening and totally isn’t the classic shoryuken response to a thread like this (race as fast as you can to click the post button to show everyone that you’re the Most Carefree Guy Who Still Keeps It Real Though) taken to it’s logical limit