Valkeries suck
I’ve seen a terran go cloaked wraiths vs. the Carriers before the toss could get obs as we saw Iris vs. Bisu. But wraiths are mainly good for early harassment or anti air. Anything else and they sorta get shut down ie. goon or cannon. They’re way too gas heavy to be used as a straight out counter, especially when a toss has a ground army to support his troops
Some launchers are no cd and you can also mount an SC image using Daemon tools to play SC with nocd.
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Wraiths are too fragile and since 'toss is going to go obs to deal with mines anyhow it’d be hard to really make them work.
Valkyries just suck as air-to-air goes. Not enough damage, range is too short, won’t shoot if there are too many units on the screen, etc. etc. Upgraded goliaths are a much better investment. The valkyrie is a dedicated anti-air unit that tends to lose to other air units.
cloaked wraiths plus scan to kill obs ;o
Medic + scan to blind obs ;o
Uh yeah, I’m going with Harem on that one. In the end though, I definitely think mass upgraded goliaths is just better overall. Flash has definitely proven that.
No officially SC is no CD now. Just copy a file from the CD and rename it(The exact instructions are in update log which should be in /starcraft/), thats it. then it launches without a cd forever~
Reason why T cant go air easily on a map like Katrina is simply because the units dont even straight up counter air, and all P has to do is switch back to ground units and you are fucked. Not to mention cannons and storm are both extremely hard for wraiths to deal with.
I’ve never seen M&M used vs Protoss. 
And you never should. 1 Storm ends the life of any med+rine pack.
You need the cd to get that started though lol.
Anyways, GG’s to all I played, sorry about that last match Catchafire, I got called down to do some quick chores. Nice 2 matches with Clever also.
Mr PH, play Xiii, he’s really good.
It happens in like really old matches sometimes. Apparently MnM works pretty well against carriers if the 'toss player somehow forgets to use anything else ;(
And I was referring to Boxer’s scan -> optical flare -> cloaked wraiths play in some old match, which is a great play that nobody should try unless their name is Lim Yo Hwan.
I’ve played him before.
Reaver shots are just as bad too. Its tough being a rine sometimes. Poor bastards.
You can go mm as a suprise tactic. If the toss fast expos and doesn’t properly scout its GG because they’ll have like 1 goon.
yep MM only works as a cheese. I’m gonna have the game tomorrow so I’m looking forward to playing you guys.
You can also hide mass rax and go massssssss m&m + 1armor and a few tanks after going standard 1Fac fast expand.
lol its not bad at all though works best on maps with a gasless natural expand.
The main factor, I think, is in the upgrades and resource investment.
Flash’ secret in Katrina is the upgrades. He does a very early armory, then goes double armory. By the time carriers arrive, mech units are at least +2/+1. This is what allows Flash to destroy the interceptors before they do any real damage. Look at the GSI matches and you’ll notice that all of a sudden the interceptor count drops heavily.
With wraiths, he needs the resource investment to maintain both air and land upgrades. Plus, wraiths are a heavy gas investment for a fragile unit. Plus, goliaths can defend tanks from zealots.
ghost can easly take out carriors with lock down, you just have to be fast.