Official SRK Ultra SF4 Rebalance Request Thread

[Veserius]

When I’m sad, I tell myself to read this thread and I am happy again.

I don’t even know why I post out of the regional forums and the blanka forums now, it always turns into something idiotic.

[Densuo]

Thats not what I’m saying at all, it’s a great tool, but if people are attributing abilities to characters when said character does not have the ability, I am doing them a disservice by not pointing out their ignorance.

He said it was instant. I said it was not because it isn’t. Who the hell is complaining? Divekick is good, if you made him do it from cannon strike height it would not be good because it doesn’t have the damage/hitstun/blockstun/hitbox/hurtbox/or even the same stupid air stutter that CS has that makes certain AA’s whiff.

In the scope of what Yun is designed to do his divekick is pretty much perfectly designed.

Also this isn’t what I said at all. You want to talk hyperbole? you’re the only one using it here, everyone else is just talking about game mechanics. Attribute something to someone that isn’t being said, and then argue against it is the most bs tactic in existence.

Don’t set up straw men then try to bring them down, if you have an issue with what people are saying, refute them, use evidence if needed, but don’t just pull things out of your ass and argue against yourself.

Hey man I appreciate that. If I’m wrong I don’t have a problem with it. I still feel Yun needs a few LIGHT nerfs, instead of the crazy stuff some people are saying. But to be honest I’m more concerned for Yang. I feel he’s gonna end up getting nerfed unjustifiably just because he’s related to Yun.

[Veserius]

If you think Yun needs nerfs, Yang needs nerfs.

He’s in the same tier, and he’s only going to get better over time when people learn to play him better especially in America where our Yang technology is behind by a fair amount at the moment.

There is a reason that some people think Yang is the better twin.

[shinquickman]

So, Adon. You all think he’s fine the way he is? Good. Don’t change Adon, Capcom.

[Densuo]

If you think Yun needs nerfs, Yang needs nerfs.

He’s in the same tier, and he’s only going to get better over time when people learn to play him better especially in America where our Yang technology is behind by a fair amount at the moment.

There is a reason that some people think Yang is the better twin.

I use fuerte and Personally I feel more threatened when fighting Yang then Yun. A bud swears Yang beats Yun. Besides palm I don’t have much of an opinion on Yang though.

[TeoH]

his shoulder move should have hit boxes on the attacking side only, its pretty stupid he can hit you with both while someone like juri can do ex pinwheel or ultra 2 which spins around and seems like it can hit you from both sides, yet only hits you with the front side.

Can i just say i find it really amusing that your complaint about the shoulder is based entirely on the argument that you don’t think it looks right, and can i suggest a balance change of altering his shoulder animation so that he also extends his arms out as a palm attack in the other direction, because apparently that would resolve your problems with the move.

The Yun discussion appears to have turned into ‘here is a list of everything Yun has that is effective, how can we nerf it?’

a forward moving attack that breaks armor AND is safe on block.

Yes, we really need to nerf Dan Kicks.

[tali]

Can i just say i find it really amusing that your complaint about the shoulder is based entirely on the argument that you don’t think it looks right, and can i suggest a balance change of altering his shoulder animation so that he also extends his arms out as a palm attack in the other direction, because apparently that would resolve your problems with the move.

The Yun discussion appears to have turned into ‘here is a list of everything Yun has that is effective, how can we nerf it?’

lets break this down.
we have low tier chars which have moves that seem like it would hit from all around you because their animation would make you beleive that what the person is doing can hit you from multiple directions. but their moves don’t. and yun has a move that looks like it should hit you from the side he uses to hit you with both sides somehow and your saying, instead of making the other chars who’s moves should hit you from both sides, we should instead change the animation of yuns move so that it makes sense why his hits from both sides and leave everyone elses.

you sir are an idiot.

[Immaculate]

Nerf the palm strikes meter building and damage

[Eternal]

Also this isn’t what I said at all. You want to talk hyperbole? you’re the only one using it here, everyone else is just talking about game mechanics. Attribute something to someone that isn’t being said, and then argue against it is the most bs tactic in existence.

Don’t set up straw men then try to bring them down, if you have an issue with what people are saying, refute them, use evidence if needed, but don’t just pull things out of your ass and argue against yourself.

Lots of characters have special moves that are + frames on block. Ones they don’t even have to use meter for.

You might as well make it -30 if you make it -3 because at that point the yun player is just going to combo into it anyways.

I dunno maybe I like playing vs. good characters?

Other moves that are + on block:
Hundred hand slap: Short range, technically not armor break but in practice 2 hits are fast enough it basically is armor break.
Gen’s version of hundred hand slap.
EX Lightning kicks
EX Yoga flame
All of Viper’s mid air burn kicks (ground ones are not + on block however.)
Cammy’s Spin Knuckle (So far only move that can be used to travel across the screen that is + on block. Also breaks armor like Yun’s lunge punch. Flipside? Very very slow moving, no active hitbox during the movement.)
Yang’s Palms.
Yun’s Palms.
E. Ryu’s HK Axe kick (moves you forward, but no active hitbox until forward movement has stopped.)
Blanka’s electricity
Rufus’ light punch Snake Strike
Almost every characters projectiles

You’re right, lots of characters have special moves that + on block. Except most of them are either projectiles, or short range attacks. The two other moves that have + on block while moving you forward are slower, and are only active at the very end of their forward movement, not the entire duration. Also you can’t combo INTO HK Axe kick or Spin Knuckle (You can combo AFTER but not before.

A fair number of other examples from other people (some in other threads.) about how Yun is balanced because his DP can’t be FADC’d or how he doesn’t have a matchup in his favor against Sagat. And the occasional random troll about how "Yun is auto pilot"
You aren’t the only person posting about balance.

[TeoH]

lets break this down.
we have low tier chars which have moves that seem like it would hit from all around you because their animation would make you beleive that what the person is doing can hit you from multiple directions. but their moves don’t. and yun has a move that looks like it should hit you from the side he uses to hit you with both sides somehow and your saying, instead of making the other chars who’s moves should hit you from both sides, we should instead change the animation of yuns move so that it makes sense why his hits from both sides and leave everyone elses

It speaks volumes that you think this is important.

[tali]

It speaks volumes that you think this is important.

im proud that i think balance is important.

[Veserius]

You aren’t the only person posting about balance.

You put words in my mouth and used the point you created as a launching point for your rant which was a crap thing to do.

[mowr]

Absolute Bullshit!

Whiffed EX headbutts happen as often as whiffed EX lunge punches. And guess what? Some characters can punish the Lunge punch by ducking under it. Apples and Apples

No Adon doesn’t, No vega isn’t, No Guile doesn’t, but that wasn’t your point. Thus your counter argument is crap. You said I can’t focus against Yun, but the fact is that there are a lot of characters you can’t focus against. Hell Bison is another one who comes to mind.

Please come back when you actually have a point to discuss.

You’re so fucking dumb.

[SUPARNOVAX]

It speaks volumes that you think this is important.

I stopped taking his posts seriously when he was citing Ken has mastered the dragon punch and should have the highest damaging dragon punch in the game in the SF universe.

im proud that i think balance is important.

[AmigoOne]

I would be ok with Yun if:
EX lunge is more easily whiff punishable with nj attacks. I end up trading/losing half the time.
Palm doesn’t act like a damn anti air.
Meter gain on palm.

Yea thats pretty much it.

[TeoH]

I think these discussions will be more useful once people realise that a character being good at something, or being able to do something that other characters can’t do, is a sign of good character design, not a sign of a balance problem.

[tali]

I think these discussions will be more useful once people realise that a character being good at something, or being able to do something that other characters can’t do, is a sign of good character design, not a sign of a balance problem.

having super easy meter gain by whiffing a safe move is good character design?
being able to hit someone with both sides of your body when you attack with only one side is good character design in contrast to chars that should hit you with both sides of their moves but don’t.
being able to use a move that gets you in close for 1 bar, can juggle into ultra, is airborn so can’t be hit low, pushes into the corner and gives YOU the frame advantage when you fail and it gets blocked is good character design?

your real stupid if you think that yun has the ideal character design and everyone else has balance issues.

[superlollo]

for real how are you comparing headbutts to ex lunge lmao. i will say that isnt the biggest issue with yun though. it just seems like something that once you hear about you just go “really?” ive got hit by ex lunge just trying to walk forward sometimes. kinda silly no?

Maybe you shouldn’t be sleeping/be on drugs when you play? I can’t believe people don’t have the reactions to at least BLOCK that shit. I can understand that it might be difficult to input your ultra in time to hit yun out of it, but pushing back to block?? Seriously??? I guess Fei long players can just rekka you for free all day.

[Teh_Axi]

Fei only needs the damage he gets off hk.cw and ex.cw lowering, they could just increase cl.hp to 5 frames, lower hk.cw damage to 120 and give his fks the Ryu treatment. Complaining that he gets you in the corner is retarded, that’s his entire character.

[HNIC_Mike]

nerf yun because my character dosent have moves like his. ex lunge should be negative on block because my piece of shit character has an ex move that isnt safe on block. nerf yuns shoulder because it looks like guys shoulder but its better. lets make all the moves work the way they look. thats right cammys U2 should be a kill at any point. it is a neckbreaker

nerf fei because i dont like seeing fuudo win all the tourneys, and i shouldnt have to learn the matchup. the only reason i lose any matches ever is because the top 3 are broken. nerf yang because he is the same as yun. nerf viper because i dont know how to block, and 50/50 mixups suck

am i doing it right?