As someone who knows a good T hawk. U2 is perfectly viable hell even more viable that it was in super.
It catches all sorts of junk it didn’t use to.
Hawk has problems but U2 is still just fine.
T. Hawk’s dash is too good to allow him to FADC. His Condor Spires are safe enough to not have to FADC.
T. Hawk is fine. All I would do is bring his SPD damage up a little. LP to 170, MP to 220 and HP to 250. I would probably also consider giving his Tomahawk upper some startup invulnerability, but the damage would have to come down quite a bit. The fierce version would cause 140 damage, for example.
Makoto is a glass cannon. Only instead of having low health, she has the worst wakeup options in the game.
Wakeup tsuguri beats it.
Makoto doesn’t have the worst wakeup options in the game.
no DP FADC = you’re playing a character with the worst wake up options possible 
good backdash, EX command grab, etc. way better than a lot of characters.
She doesnt have the worst wake-up. Its just that her good options usually require a EX bar even so she still has a pretty solid anti cross-up.
Her options are just weak vs throws. Elf, Guy, Hakan and Abel have the weakest wake-up options.
Tsurugi isnt really a reversal since it requires a jump and a well timed grab wont allow her to jump.
pre-jump frames can’t be grabbed, but you’re still right since you can just meaty her to stop her from jumping.
Guy’s EX dp is 4f (hard to safe jump) and has plenty of invincibility. I’d substitute Juri in there since her EX pinwheel is easy to safe jump, and can actually be thrown out of.
If I’m not mistaken, you can still jump out of a meaty grab. Otherwise meaty spd’s would pwn everyone.
lol Rose / Cody / Dudley actually have the worst wake up games in the game…Bison without EX bars also lol
Bison always has meter though, what else is he consistently using it on?
bentooooooooooooooooooooooooo long time no see 
well online bisons constently use it on ex psycho crusher >_>
Well you forget spaced well ex pc is safe and can be a decent way to get in, but yeah having meter is never one of the problems I run into with Bison.
Yea really, if anything needs to be balanced its how some chars need to work hard for meter while others its totally free.
Guile’s boom shoulnt have gone from 20 to 10 — 20 to 15 on boom would have been plenty nerfed.
Nah 20 to 12. 15 would still be too much.
Those characters all have awful wakeup, but Makoto’s wakeup game is in a league of its own as far as awfulness goes. Knock her down, and she can’t do shit. With those characters, I can think of things that are like “this character has shit wakeup, but at least they can do this.”
I guess it’s debatable whether Makoto has the worst wakeup or not, but her wakeup game is bottom tier for certain.
Correct. Sounds like it would be mad risky, but it’s just as risky as her other wakeup options are.
Well shit, I’m convinced. Hard to argue with that.
Abel probably has the worst wakeup in the game. He has a roll, but it can be grabbed/hit/OS’d.
Jeez guys it’s Hakan, come on.
gief is actually pretty bad too. most people are just too afraid to try and meaty him
Most people are afraid to try and tick throw them too. Funny thing is most people that use a grappler don’t know how to tech. Guess they can’t imagine someone that has the guts to do it.
Forgot about that poor oily bastard. 