Official SRK Ultra SF4 Rebalance Request Thread

[Knipping12]

In General

• Nerf all dive kicks.

Any chance we could leave Rufus’ DK alone? It was supposed to be a unique part of his game, I don’t wanna see it go down the drain…

[HNIC_Mike]

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@ 48 seconds. WTF yun? LMAO. this is how you know a characters hitboxes are too good

[Jamp]

Any chance we could leave Rufus’ DK alone? It was supposed to be a unique part of his game, I don’t wanna see it go down the drain…

I agree. Rufus dive kick was never dominating, even if you consider he has the best dive kick in the game. He doesn’t have the tools the twins do to make his dive kick pressure too strong.

It’s better to leave it alone.

[HNIC_Mike]

yeah, i think rufus probrably goes completely unchanged. i cant see him taking any more nerfs

[mowr]

@ 48 seconds. WTF yun? LMAO. this is how you know a characters hitboxes are too good

Yeah I watched this earlier and I had to rewind twice.

[HAV]

Lots of replys about how easy it is to bait and punish OS crouch tech… I’m aware how its punishable, but I’m also aware that without a buff to cr.Hp Guy is still going to come of worse in matches where people mash crouchtech. I dont agree that because its punishable its ok, I think OS crouch tech wasnt intended to be in the game and if you could only tech a throw standing, it would open the games defence a bit.

You can practically hold down back and avoid everything certain characters can throw at you excluding overheads and command grabs… which is why Yun etc are OP imo, especially when your crouchtech can beat certain characters overhead… why not sit and mash it out?

How would removing the ability to tech throws while crouching be bad for the game?
The only replys have been either learn to deal with it or punish the attempts…

Guy can punish crouch tech. Everyone can punish crouch tech. Easily. If you’re still see crouch tech as an issue, in 2011, that’s your fault. Capcom doesn’t need to change the game, because you don’t want to learn how to frame trap with your character.

[caruga]

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@ 48 seconds. WTF yun? LMAO. this is how you know a characters hitboxes are too good

I’m sure the Sagat stuck a leg out.

[Jamp]

@ 48 seconds. WTF yun? LMAO. this is how you know a characters hitboxes are too good

Oh yay, now Yun can fart palms as well!

Seriously, what the hell was the battle director thinking?

I’m sure the Sagat stuck a leg out.

Doesn’t make that range less idiotic.

[Surenio]

Oh yay, now Yun can fart palms as well!

Seriously, what the hell was the battle director thinking?

Doesn’t make that range less idiotic.

no but it makes this reaction you two are having to it just pointless bitching. No one will be pleased until yun has no good normals. Twins will be ruined soon enough then the next set of top tier bitching will emerge.

[Wetwilly_600]

go watch some matches of Darui or F. Champ and you’ll see that other than a small number of characters/players those Sims matchups are pretty even. If you buff him to make him able to deal with the horrible matchup of Yun vs Sim (which is I fully admit a one sided slaughter of 7-3 to almost 8-2 level in Yun’s favor) you upset the balance Sim has against the characters he is currently matched 5/5 or 4/6 or 6/4 against. While many people want nothing but buffs for characters and no nerfs, this is a case where it is simply better, easier, and more logical to tweak the opponents Sim has trouble with rather than Sim himself.

Also about the Super to AE nerf on ex flame. While it was no doubt a major nerf (you can’t argue that it wasn’t) to the ability. Many characters EX moves end up losing out in one way or another over their normal versions (EX SPD for Zangief for instance has less damage/stun than his HP SPD and a 4f startup instead of 2F. Rufus’ EX Snake strike does less damage than any of his normal versions. Dans EX kicks do less damage than his HK version (and less than MK if you only connect with 2 hits like MK does) Makotos EX dash punch is the same strength as her MP dash punch, ect ect.)

Buffing Sim is the wrong way to go about fixing his couple really bad match ups. They need fixing though.

While it would be considered a buff from AE to rebalanced AE we Sim players aren’t asking for anything more than what he had in Super just give us our Super Sim back, Who never dominated anyone and we would be happy. It’s not like were asking for ST drills or frame adjustments. We just want super Sim back.

I don’t think people realize he took damage nerfs on like 90% or more of his normals in addition to his super damage. which for a character who pokes adds up quick.

Bringing super Sim back wouldn’t really affect any of the older match ups unless they got nerfed from super to AE too.

[Ayma]

I’m sure the Sagat stuck a leg out.

correct, his hk works like Sagat’s mk.

[Ayma]

Oh yay, now Yun can fart palms as well!

Seriously, what the hell was the battle director thinking?

Doesn’t make that range less idiotic.

lmao, the good thing for that move is not the range, is the extended hitbox lolol
And many many characters can counterpoke Sagat’s hk, please think before you whine lol

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

Seriously though? That was almost full screen man.

[HNIC_Mike]

i know what happened. i just thought it was kinda funny. dudes got some amazing hitboxes.

and tho most can counter poke it, usually it dosent result in a knockdown from 3/4 screen. that shit is goofy

[Danonino]

Guy can punish crouch tech. Everyone can punish crouch tech. Easily. If you’re still see crouch tech as an issue, in 2011, that’s your fault. Capcom doesn’t need to change the game, because you don’t want to learn how to frame trap with your character.

Seriously… is it impossible to just get a direct answer. FORGET about punishing the damn os, forget your setups you have for punishing the damn os, forget I mentioned Guy and take it that Im well aware how to punish and set up counter hits on those using it… now:

I want to know how **removing **the option to tech throws while crouching, and instead forcing you to react to a throw/throw attempt by standing and teching would be bad for the game?

Actually I dont anymore… its not worth the effort. feck it. leave it in. :bluu:

[Lost_Fragment]

The other option is to increase the window she can F-LK kara cancel into karakusa because currently that window is smaller than it was in 3S and thus difficult to impractical (Yet to see a single high level Makoto user try the F-LK kara cancel, seen S.Lk but not F.Lk)

I’m probably not considered a “high level” Makoto user, but I do that shit all the time dude. It’s not that hard. It just takes practice.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

Seriously… is it impossible to just get a direct answer. FORGET about punishing the damn os, forget your setups you have for punishing the damn os, forget I mentioned Guy and take it that Im well aware how to punish and set up counter hits on those using it… now:

I want to know how **removing **the option to tech throws while crouching, and instead forcing you to react to a throw/throw attempt by standing and teching would be bad for the game?

Actually I dont anymore… its not worth the effort. feck it. leave it in. :bluu:

Imagine if you’d had to stand up to tech Cammy’s throws in Super? She’d have been far and away the best character in Super instead of just at the top.

[HNIC_Mike]

just to play devils advocate, i wouldnt want to fight ken or rufus in this game without crouch tech

[Little_Goten]

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@ 48 seconds. WTF yun? LMAO. this is how you know a characters hitboxes are too good

That made my morning.

I’m more concerned as to why the game didn’t register a counter-hit. I mean WTF?

[HNIC_Mike]

That made my morning.

I’m more concerned as to why the game didn’t register a counter-hit. I mean WTF?

i retract my earlier statement. maybe i dont know what happened. good catch