Time to learn Trial Wright, huh? =P
Never worked for me. Was salty quite a bit.
Doesn’t change that it wasn’t fully invincible. Character’s like Super Skrull could easily punish PW assist spam by just INFERNOOO’ing over the boy. I could also easily do this with Firebrand.
This would mean a whole lot more if TM wasn’t on a timer tbh. Honestly would be fine with getting rid of the silly assist in exchange for perma TM (save for lvl3). If Frank can get this I see no reason why Wright can’t.
I swear there are people here who thinks his invincible assist was the only reason to play Phoenix Wright. As has been pointed out, getting to turnabout mode isn’t THAT hard to begin with, and he gets some ridiculous stuff on point when in turnabout mode.
I guess it’s the “players” who are not actual players who instead of LEARNING on how to play with someone effectively, just uses him as an assist with no experience at all that they suck at pleasing.
Oh I’m not doubting what was said - just that it never worked for me. Also definitely not saying they should’ve nerfed it because I never was able to punish.
Stop this stupid Capcom hate. Everyone’s raving about the assist nerf when we’re all forgetting the fact that we have Pheonix Wright in a fighting game, purely because of our fan votes. So what if he’s not top tier - you can still put demons on bloody trial and find them guilty because of a flower vase, a cell phone, and a wristwatch*. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT. *
Capcom taking the invincible assist away was inevitable; they don’t want people playing him for a spammy assist. Maya Shield coming out faster? Fantastic. Less chance of bad evidence? Perfect. Exactly what I asked for in a previous post here. And in case you haven’t put the pieces together - Maya’s Shield and Evidence are the two key points of Investigation Mode, and the only moves in PW’s arsenal that are exclusive to Investigation. Capcom just buffed Investigation Mode, kids. And at this moment we’re still without the complete nerf/buffs list; PW may yet have other changes.
Look, I love the character. I don’t care if they patch PW again and make Objection the only damaging attack pre-Turnabout; I’ll still play PW and have a blast doing it. Capcom wants people playing PW for his own sake, and I believe this nerf will only have positive effects - everyone playing PW for the assist will get lost, and everyone playing PW for PW will stick with him and continue finding great technology.
The problem with that is that we’re talking about an assist. It’s not like the opponent is just gonna let you get behind him and his assist. I’ve never seen him be hit out of it but I’ll take BANKS’ word that some characters are able to deal with it but the question is how many? With a game of approx 50 characters, if only a few characters (under 10-20 from the sounds of it) can only deal with it then depending on your team, it might as well be completely invincible. As I said, there was no reason you could call him right before the opponent does Okami Shuffle and he doesnt get hurt at all. Vanilla Gustaff Fire was less stupid than this.
Nonetheless, I dont agree with how badly they nerfed but I do agree with the decision to nerf it. And I agree with CTG, Turnabout is a ridiculous mode. His Finger even beats Viper’s EX Thunder Knuckleo_O
^^With that being said, we need to get on investigating evidence pulls and figuring out the algorithm ASAP. There are some almost broken sets of evidence you can put together (Vase/Knife/Photo with beam assist or Phone/Knife/Watch with lockdown assist? Yes please).
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Had another idea. Hold It into plink Maya L/M + evidence search. That’s like a guaranteed two pieces of evidence on block/hit. And every Hold It on hit into evidence search is safe. Also, Maya L, Stance Change, evidence zoning tactics for long range. Fast stance changes for shields in zoning.
Somebody test plinking Maya and Stance change, please. @_@
You just took everything out of my mouth, I swear that I was the only one thinking about this, thanks for proving me wrong. Honestly, I don’t like wasting a character on my team just for Assist purpose, because it’s stupid, and that doesn’t make him anymore competitive or better.
Capcom buffed his point game, period. Hopefully there are more buffs to his point game besides of Maya’s shield, which would be welcome as well (It looks like his paperwork comes out a little faster, but that might just be me). I guess these people don’t even know that Maya’s Shield makes him pseudo-invincible, because I don’t see people using it.
People also act that collecting evidence is the end of the world… it’s not that hard when you play it correctly.
Okay, reality check time: no one played Wright for the assist. Anyone who wanted that route went to other broken assists that require less effort, like Lariat, Missiles, Vajra, Drones, etc. I’ve never seen anyone outside of character loyalists playing Wright.
But more than that, we’re talking about a nerfed character a month into a game. People called potential Wesker nerfs a fucking kneejerk reaction? Then what is this? A character that has never made a splash at any majors so far gets arguably one of the biggest nerfs that MvC3 has seen (including MvC3 -> UMvC3) and it’s on a character that most pros have already said is the worst in the game?
Capcom sucks. They’re clearly taking the “Less balanced = more fun” approach and leaving braindead broken shit like Wesker, Wolverine (still), Zero, etc. in just for shits and giggles while they systematically destroy characters that 8-year-olds don’t consider “omg kewl” like Hsien-Ko, Tron, Wright, She-Hulk, etc. So yeah, fuck Capcom.
I can’t see how Capcom can leave stuff such as bullshit wesker and get rid of Wright’s assist.
It is invincible like vanilla lariat and gustof fire, but dammit you have to WORK to get it.
^^Instead of cry, you can just drop Wright and be done with it? Clear the salt out of the boards asap, please. =/
Can Wright still be grabbed while behind Maya shield?
Is there really any proof you have a better chance of getting good evidence?
Also on a side note, does this make Missile the preferred assist? It’s not really that bad to begin with…
Anyone can do it so long as it’s done from behind. Dormammu > Teleport > Chaotic Flame. Super Skrull > Meteor Smash > Inferno / Jump > Inferno. Etc etc.
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And good god effie you are not the sole special goddamn snowflake who adores Wright. I do too. We all fucking do. Folks on their high horse acting like how those crying over the loss of the assist are Wright frauds that haven’t done jack to attempt to make him work outside of the assist are equally just as annoying as whiners/haters. FYI the evidence thing is unconfirmed.
And I’d also seriously like to see those saying getting into TM is apparently no feat and how Wright has a swell time against a cast that pretty much outclasses him in whatever he does in action. I would legit like to see your fail-proof games, because I am just at a loss here and would love to learn a thing or two.
Just because I’m (or anyone else) criticizing Wright doesn’t mean I am dumping him nor does it mean that I don’t care or enjoy playing as him - I really do, and I’m looking forward to whatever new tech we get using the guy. But honestly, this mentality that no one should have any qualms over the character just because he’s in is a bit ludicrous to me.
^Point he’s making is, assist was nerfed, deal with it and move on. Yes it’s a shame, but that’s how it goes.
Excuse me? I’m sticking with Wright no matter what, just like I did with Tron.
Character loyalty doesn’t excuse bad balancing. Wright has to work to be good and still isn’t as good as other characters like Zero and Wesker who are broken for 0 effort. Why the hell shouldn’t he get some major perk with it? Capcom sucks at balancing, end of story.
I will only play him in friendlies now. Why it has to be like this?
They never said ‘we try to make the game more balanced with this patch’, they just do not want the invincibility on assists regardless of character.
And considering the amount of good choices compared to bad when going from Vanilla to Ultimate and all the silly shit I saw in forums concerning player suggestions, I’d rather let Capcom have full control still.
If capcom is going to make stupid balance changes for characters I enjoy playing that aren’t great in the first place, then of course I’m going to complain. I complaints bother you that much then you shouldn’t be on the internet.
If they were to nerf the assist along with nerfing someone like Wesker, I’d be more okay with it.
And my counter was, that the complaining is warranted regardless how the person used Wright. Just because he didn’t have a use for the assist doesn’t mean everyone else has to bottle up their frustration.