OBJECTION! - The Phoenix Wright Thread

[Generic_Operator]

Congrats on getting near top 32 Uglywhen, if you don’t mind how was the competition in your opinion?

[Clonedpickle]

He’s just recording them. Gonna put them on his youtube after Evo.

Ah, alright thanks for the help

[Uglywhen]

The competition at evo is always intimidating. Some amatuers show up and play, but almost everyone is bringing their A game. None of my matches felt free, and i watched some of the best from hawaii get randomed out in pools. For the most part everyone was pretty friendly win or lose; although there were a couple of dramatic pop offs and sticks getting thrown. The pros were surprisingly accomadating to their fans. Yipes didnt show any signs of salt after i beat him, and even cheered me up after i lost. I felt that after this evo i would have to explore other characters again, but i doubt i will be dropping my main team anytime soon.

[MetaSkipper]

Hope to keep seeing that Phoenix Wright, man. And good shit on making it that far.

[Thunderfang747]

The competition at evo is always intimidating. Some amatuers show up and play, but almost everyone is bringing their A game. None of my matches felt free, and i watched some of the best from hawaii get randomed out in pools. For the most part everyone was pretty friendly win or lose; although there were a couple of dramatic pop offs and sticks getting thrown. The pros were surprisingly accomadating to their fans. Yipes didnt show any signs of salt after i beat him, and even cheered me up after i lost. I felt that after this evo i would have to explore other characters again, but i doubt i will be dropping my main team anytime soon.

Wish I could have seen you man, congrats on sending Yipes to losers, that’s awesome! I went just as my last name, Price, so that is why you were unable to find me. I was hoping to run into you but never did. I beat a Zero, Dante, Magneto player and another player I don’t quite remember but I think it was a Zero May Cry player, but was ultimately sent to losers and eliminated by two separate big body teams. DX I should have used Modok/Missiles against them but I kept trying to use my Tron team out of stubbornness and failed. When I finally switched to point Modok, I tried to airdash up and Nemesis’ jumping M got me into S almost immediately and then I got mixed up on incoming after he died. Does anyone have any tips on PW vs a good Hulk/Drones and the like? That matchup kills me, I’d rather fight teleporters or Morrigan…

[lamuness]

Oh really? Thanks for avenging me XD I lost to Yipes in pools. I am thinking of picking up a PW soon, I just need to think about the composition more and what I wanna do with it.

[Generic_Operator]

Does anyone have any tips on PW vs a good Hulk/Drones and the like? That matchup kills me, I’d rather fight teleporters or Morrigan…

If in the beginning of the match and you have space go to trial mode and use papers, it’s good at stopping gamma charges but you’ll need a beam assist to stop the drones. If he gets in, sadly the most you can do is block or super jump and watch out for command grabs. You can risk it with m or h Maya and hopefully she hits Hulk or down h in investigation.

[Tabby_Cat]

Any video of the PW players?

[Fulgrate]

Yeah, I saw the videos as well when they were streaming live. Some awesome Pheonix Wright rep.

[MetaSkipper]

Which vids? I cannot access YouTube, so please post the twitch vod with the correct time, if possible.

[Tabby_Cat]

Ugly When vs hAZ Zelkin

Can’t find the one vs Yipes though.

[lolraid]

Here it is!

[MetaSkipper]

Capcom Thinks Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Needs a Rebalance, Asks Fans to...

It’s that time of year again, kids, where we hope and pray the patch is coming and that Phoenix Wright will be buffed.

[GodotsRevenge]

http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/19/capcom-thinks-ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-needs-a-rebalance-asks-fans-to-discuss-possible-changes/

It’s that time of year again, kids, where we hope and pray the patch is coming and that Phoenix Wright will be buffed.

I really shouldn’t get my hopes up. But if it’s actually coming, I’ll be so happy.

[samurai_bebop]

Here are some of my ideas for the possible patch. I posted some of my thoughts on NeoGaf.

Get rid of bad evidence, all of it. In exchange nerf the good evidence. Like have cellphone spit out two orbs instead of three.
Maya should stay on screen longer or be able to absorb more damage before leaving.
Maya shield should prevent command grabs, normal grabs should still make it through.
Missile should be a move. It should be a charge move like Hulk’s Gamma Wave or Felica’s Sand Splash. Allows PW to OTG outside of Investigation mode and without the use of Order in the Court. The OTG would require the use of an assist like Nova’s Centurion Rush to further the combo.

This is all I can think of. In my opinion it would make PW much better.

[kensanity]

Yeah, I noticed that wasn’t the standard :h::d::h: loop. Is it a better loop, or is it a combo specifically for landing some setup?

I still use that loop as my main corner carry, but I’ve been working on all sorts of ways to use the break the witness loop in the corner. Maybe its time to work on a new video project… Well for now I’ll post the most damaging version I’ve found and see if it can be improved on:
c.:h:, s.:h:, jump forward, j. :d::h:, land, c.:h:, :dp::h:, c.:h:, :dp::h:, c.:h:, :f::h:, stun, c.:h:, :f::h:, :dp::h:
1.15 mil damage 2+ meter gain

overhead confirm
j.:h:, c.:h:, s.:h:, jump forward, j.:d::h:, land, c.:h:, :dp::h:, c.:h:, :f::h:, stun, c.:h:, :f::h: :dp::h:
1 mil damage <2meter gain

Granted the combo off the j. h is only slightly better than the justice loop in terms of damage and meter gain, but every little bit counts, and that one meter you save could easily determine the game. Also I don’t think these are hard to pull off at all, and you can insert the cellphone during the stun for more damage/meter/swag.

I have been playing around with your combos and I have discovered a few things. First off with your overhead confirm, if you are in the corner and close to your opponent when you land the jumping H, you can completely omit the Standing H if you back dash after said Jumping H, do the crouching H, and then jump forward with the objection. This allows your first 1.15 Million damage variation off the overhead as each individual finger causes the same amount of scaling and damage and, like your first combo, you would be starting with 2 fingers. With your first combo I have managed to squeeze out 1.94 because after the objection stun you can Cr. H, Jumping H (ground bounce), and then go straight into Forward H (Objection) when you land into Break the witness H. It is impossible to do Cr. H into anything worthwhile at this point due to scaling which is why you need to do raw objection on landing. I also managed to break 1.2 if, after the ground bounce, I do Cr. H, call Tron drill assist, and then do Break the Witness H. I am probably the only one dumb enough to run Tron with PW lol, but if any of you guys have an assist that will allow just a bit of hitstun between the finger and BtW, the damage will be higher. I am still trying to find a way to break 1.25 without meter or the Cellphone, but this is all I got as of now.

having issues with this turnabout combo.

i’ve been doing

cr H (wall bounce), s H, j d+H, cr H, jH (ground bounce), f+H (dizzy). At this point I pause for the opponent to get low and then do dp+H but i can’t follow up past this right? Like how do you link another cr H into dp+H after this? Seems near impossible…

[Clonedpickle]

Here are some of my ideas for the possible patch. I posted some of my thoughts on NeoGaf.

Get rid of bad evidence, all of it. In exchange nerf the good evidence. Like have cellphone spit out two orbs instead of three.
Maya should stay on screen longer or be able to absorb more damage before leaving.
Maya shield should prevent command grabs, normal grabs should still make it through.
Missile should be a move. It should be a charge move like Hulk’s Gamma Wave or Felica’s Sand Splash. Allows PW to OTG outside of Investigation mode and without the use of Order in the Court. The OTG would require the use of an assist like Nova’s Centurion Rush to further the combo.

This is all I can think of. In my opinion it would make PW much better.

Here are some of my changes I would do, these are just random by the way

• Increase Wright’s Recovery on Maya M and H so he can combo off them without assists
• Keep Missile as a assist and buff it a little OR take it out and replace it with a variation of Maya H or M and maybe switch paperwork assist with Maya shield?
• Increase durability and maybe spread on Paperwork so it covers him more in Trial mode
• Get rid of bad evidence except the meat
• Increase his walking speed a bit and increase the damage and range of his normals(except turnabout mode)
• Have Cr.H in turnabout hit low but in turn reduce Wright’s time in turnabout

Some of these are sorta iffy but meh that’s what I would do.

[Thunderfang747]

Yeah, I noticed that wasn’t the standard :h::d::h: loop. Is it a better loop, or is it a combo specifically for landing some setup?

I still use that loop as my main corner carry, but I’ve been working on all sorts of ways to use the break the witness loop in the corner. Maybe its time to work on a new video project… Well for now I’ll post the most damaging version I’ve found and see if it can be improved on:
c.:h:, s.:h:, jump forward, j. :d::h:, land, c.:h:, :dp::h:, c.:h:, :dp::h:, c.:h:, :f::h:, stun, c.:h:, :f::h:, :dp::h:
1.15 mil damage 2+ meter gain

overhead confirm
j.:h:, c.:h:, s.:h:, jump forward, j.:d::h:, land, c.:h:, :dp::h:, c.:h:, :f::h:, stun, c.:h:, :f::h: :dp::h:
1 mil damage <2meter gain

Granted the combo off the j. h is only slightly better than the justice loop in terms of damage and meter gain, but every little bit counts, and that one meter you save could easily determine the game. Also I don’t think these are hard to pull off at all, and you can insert the cellphone during the stun for more damage/meter/swag.

I have been playing around with your combos and I have discovered a few things. First off with your overhead confirm, if you are in the corner and close to your opponent when you land the jumping H, you can completely omit the Standing H if you back dash after said Jumping H, do the crouching H, and then jump forward with the objection. This allows your first 1.15 Million damage variation off the overhead as each individual finger causes the same amount of scaling and damage and, like your first combo, you would be starting with 2 fingers. With your first combo I have managed to squeeze out 1.94 because after the objection stun you can Cr. H, Jumping H (ground bounce), and then go straight into Forward H (Objection) when you land into Break the witness H. It is impossible to do Cr. H into anything worthwhile at this point due to scaling which is why you need to do raw objection on landing. I also managed to break 1.2 if, after the ground bounce, I do Cr. H, call Tron drill assist, and then do Break the Witness H. I am probably the only one dumb enough to run Tron with PW lol, but if any of you guys have an assist that will allow just a bit of hitstun between the finger and BtW, the damage will be higher. I am still trying to find a way to break 1.25 without meter or the Cellphone, but this is all I got as of now.

having issues with this turnabout combo.

i’ve been doing

cr H (wall bounce), s H, j d+H, cr H, jH (ground bounce), f+H (dizzy). At this point I pause for the opponent to get low and then do dp+H but i can’t follow up past this right? Like how do you link another cr H into dp+H after this? Seems near impossible…

In that particular combo you have there it is technically possible to get another dp+H after the cr. H if you use Objection first so it would be cr. H (Wall Bounce), s. H, J. d+H, cr. H, j. H (Ground Bounce), f+H (Dizzy), cr. H, f+H, dp+H. That said it does less overall damage and it is simply better to go cr. H (Wall Bounce), s. H, j. d+H, cr. H, dp+H, cr. H, dp+H, cr H, f+H (dizzy), cr. H, j. H (Ground Bounce), F+H, dp+H. Late in the combo raw Objection does much more hitstun than the Cr. H will so you always want to end with the Objection before the final BtW.

[GodotsRevenge]

My thoughts:
-Make cr L and s L 1 frame startup.
-Give super armor on “Hold It!”'s
-Investigation Magatama command grabs (Very slow start up).
-Mode change reduced to 2-4 frames duration.
-Bridge to the Turnabout (Trial) soft knockdown (For dem up and side TACs).
-Evidence is Air-OK
-Evidence can cancel special moves.
-Maya shield scaled.
-Heavy Maya slide does unscaled damage.

Obviously not all these should be used, maybe only six of them or so.

[MetaSkipper]

Problem: Collecting evidence is too risky for Wright.
Solutions:
Maya Shield stays out longer and can take more damage.
Chance of bad evidence significantly reduced (removal seems a bit much).
Meat heals more (what “more” should mean is debatable).

Problem: Wright’s zoning tools aren’t terribly effective.
Solutions:
Paperwork always comes out if not interrupted in first few frames (think Dorm spells).
Increase durability on Paperwork (?)
Paperwork Storm lasts as long as Paperwork

Problem: Turnabout Mode has too much risk for too little reward
Solutions:
Give “Bridge to the Turnabout” and “Objection” armor (?)
Give Air “Bridge to the Turnabout” and Air “Objection” soft knockdown.
Make cr.:h: a low in Turnabout.
Increase Turnabout time to 30 real seconds.

Other stuffs:
Make Get’em Missile a move, not just an assist.
Reduce recovery on Maya!? to same as evidence recovery (I don’t want to have to plink, and potentially have to throw something good, to follow up after Maya /:h:.)