Some of the Goukens I’ve faced know exactly how effective his MP fireball is against Rufus. It catches jumpins, and it beats out GT, so I think what you really want is to get into sweep range. Once he’s knocked down, as you say, he’s very, very vulnerable to Rufus’ mixups. Lots of GTs are good, but I’ve found that once you’ve got him simply blocking or trying out other stuff, simply going up and throwing him can catch him a lot.
If you get too predictable, he can still catch you with a wakeup Ultra.
Alright, long time lurker, first time post. I main Rufus and know my match ups. I consider myself a decent player. As decent as one can be with a D-pad and Online access. (I never feel as if I couldn’t have won a match) With that said I am having a difficult time with Honda, more then I think I should. Flying butt slam spam just owns me for some reason. I know Cr. MP counters it but I can’t seem to get it to be dependable. Also I keep whiffing cross-up dive kick on flying butt slam wake up…what am I not grasping in this match up.
Focus the butt slams.
On crossup dive kick whiff, does the honda get auto-correct butt slam? Because I never seen it happen to me. Maybe you cross dive kick too early?
If he doesn’t auto-correct, you just sweep him on the way down.
Yup your right, I was on last night and realized I was crossing over to early. Had to wait till he actually left his feet to stuff his wake up. :wonder:
do u mean his c.hp? That is one of the best normals in the game, but a delayed dive kick will trade with it and leave u at a good distance for attacking. If you mean his s.hp, again just be less predictable with your jump ins. Try delaying a dive slightly longer so that you start your dive kick past the peak of your jump. Many Rufus players get very predictable with dive kicks making it hard for them to get in on a character with good anti air normals. Unless I get knocked down, I pretty much never block in this match-up. Just continue trying different ways to get in. I’ve played several Guile plays that give me a run for my money with his air grab, but overall its such a bad matchup for guile I’ve ever really lost more than 1 or 2 matches in a set of 5 or 6.
+1 This is a very bad match-up for Guile. Be very, very patient, use all 90 seconds to your advantage. Don?t chase him and don?t be afraid to eat a couple Sonic booms. Once you?re in, dive kick stuffs his wake up so R.T.S.D. I usually work my way close enough to bait out a C. HK, after blocking the first of the 2 hits go to work. Dive kick, Ex Messiah, whatever you want.
thanx guys , yes i meant the standing hard… i guess you cant waste time against guile you have to sacrifice damage to get close but once your in the fight is yours. thank you again
Hi, I’m looking for advice against Sagat. My main problem is kara tiger knee, I just can’t seem to get any breathing space cos of that move. I find it’s all about the start with Sagat, if you’ve backed off and have no meter you might as well concede the round, cos against a very high level Sagat youl just end up in the corner and get tk to death. I’m ok with most of the punishers (though the arcade I play at is pretty run down and I scrwe up my combos too often) and setups/mixups once I have knocked him down. But I am severely lacking in finding the right spacing to get his tiger knee to wiff or put him at disadv on block (again kara tiger knee seems to mess it all up for me). Anyone else have similar issue and had some luck over coming? My only answers is good meter management so I can ex.mess kick out
Snake strike is your friend against Super Sagat. I use MP Snake strike to get out of those tiger knee corner traps. It usually beats it out and even when it trades its a full screen knock down.
That sounds like a good tip, thanks! I will try it next time and post back with how it went
Another issue with kara tiger knee i have is getting hit with it while jumping over tiger shots. I’m going to try ducking all high tiger shots and short dive kicking the low ones and see how that goes.
I have some pretty basic things I do against the majority of Sagat, but this particular player is insanely good (the high BP end of master rank good) and i’m having to think pretty hard on how to take even a round off him.
If you’re getting zoned with Tiger shots and punished in the air with Tiger Knees then your being impatient. Stop dodging the projectiles and start timing them. Once you?ve got his timing down jump over the Tiger Shot and on the way down immediately Snake Strike. (Again I usually use MP Snake Strike) It?ll give the appearance that you never really landed. If he Tiger Knees in an attempt to punish you for jumping it?ll beat it out. If you guessed wrong and he throws another projectile, it?ll fly under you. Be careful and play smart, if he catches on he can really punish you, so once you?ve made him change up his game go back to the meter management?..Good luck.
Anyone want to suggest somethings when going against a turtle Abel? The Dk’s seem to work sometimes but he can throw me after everyone… He seems to be the only character that CAN do that to me. Everyone else I fight can’t… So it would be nice to find out some nice tips vs any Abel in general
Major R.T.S.D. on Abel. He has no real wake up to punish you with, don’t fear him at all, just go to work. If he starts to roll out of your wake up games wait for it and grab him. You can grab him in the middle of his roll, even if its an EX Version. As for getting thrown during your dive kicks, as soon as you connect immediately dive kick again. If you time this right he and any other character will not be able to get ahold of you (except Gief). Abuse this until they catch on. Dk, Dk, Dk, Dk, throw. Dk Dk, throw. Dk, Dk, Dk, EX Messiah. Cross over Dk, EX Messiah. you get the idea. When he stops trying to throw you go back to your normal combos.
I already know the basic’s. Its NOT his wake up that hurts me, its getting him down thats the trouble. Also i do the whole double DK but he can block and still throw after, idk why he can but only he can. Everyone else I just punish with a combo
Keep things unpredictable, I guess. See how he reacts to, say, doing neutral jump HP instead of that second or third divekick… Basically, see what you can do to mess up his timing. Jump back and divekick to land just outside his throw range, see if he’s got it as a reflex. Jump forwards to crossup divekick after one or two regular pressure kicks.
And of course, immediate EX Messiah when you land from your divekick kills throws.
I figured you knew the basics but your post said “nice tips vs any Abel in general.” Hmmmm, maybe your timings off, you should at least end up with a tech throw. If your dive kicking into your combos that would explain why he keeps grabbing you. Try something else to begin your offense.
When you do Dive Kick don’t just double Dk, keep pressuring. Triple, and Quadruple it. As stupid as it sounds I?ve had matches where I literally dive kicked six or seven times because they just kept trying to throw me. Some will just sit there and eat them for a whole round before punishing.
Alright thanks for the suggestions… I think the biggest issue I have is just using them sometimes, since he uses the stupid C.HP to knock me out of it everytime
