Yeah just the Headstomp can be punished by EX Snake strike, just use Cr.MP if you have not got any meter.
It also can catch abit of Devils reverse if he trys to bait out the last minute.
Oh and if you know hes going to crossup wait till he passes right over you then EX messiah or EX Snake strike & you will turn the other direction lol
does anyone know how to fight gen idk anything about this character
What would you guys suggest against a guile? I played on during casuals on monday and was having a really tough time getting in.
this is a weird one and I might just be imagining it but it’s happened consistently the past few days: vs bison, is it harder to combo/get a st.lk out after a dive kick than against other chars? I swear I’ve played 2 or 3 bisons recently and each time I’ve hit the st.lk at the time I’d normally hit it and it’s just not come out. wtf?!! also noticed the dive kick st.lk > tick throw set-up not working on him, the throws whiffed
online bullshit? weird that it’s exclusive to vs bison
Ive had that before but not just with bison’s though, played a Ken soon as I did low Dive kick (basically on his foot and it connected) an he still managed to connect a fierce shoryuken.
Sometimes my tic throw has missed but I just thought it was me.
Man we really gotta get this matchup thread organized. Seems like there’s quite a bit of information but it’s all scattered through 25 pages 
+1. It’s REALLY hard to read:(
Maybe, just maybe, I will go through it and organize everything. Going to take a couple weeks though with school and work.
Hey guys, im doing great with rufus but the one matchup i always loose to is sagat…
Now, i can deal with ryu/ken/akuma runaway idiots easily, but sagat is a totally different story. His tiger shots i dodge/FA/galactic tornado and immediatly after jumping over one (while hes still in the animation) i get uppercuted/s.HK right there(even when i do a REALLY fast dive kick…), the tornado gets tiger knee’d and sometimes the best i even get is a trade with the HK anyway so i have to go through the fireballs again. Another thing that bothers me is how idiots mash out the ultra/uppercut when i go for a crossup and it auto corrects for them and i get hit full force with it. Im really stumped on how to get in on run away sagats since sagats zoning is probably the best in the entire game, ive tried rolling (down right mk) yet i still am hit by a high tiger shot. Im really getting tired of being defeated by a runaway sagat its the most annoying thing >=(
so can anybody help my predicament?? Like strategies or tips? it’d really be appreciated…and sorry if it was posted somewhere else if so i guess just copy…
I have trouble with runaway Sagats, too, but mainly because I still suck at antiair defense. My wins against Sagat are mainly when I manage to stay in close and punish their mistakes. However, there’s one thing I do know against them: First of all, don’t be afraid to suck up a little chip damage to get inside the comfort zone. If you have trouble getting past Shots, simply block them and walk forward between each of them. Duck the high ones, block the low ones. A lot of Sagats go “Wait, what the hey?” when I do that.
Also, when you Tornado through a shot, remember one thing: You don’t have to follow the motion all the way through. Varying between standstill Tornados and moving Tornados can catch people unawares, and also help you with your spacing.
Rolling under high Shots doesn’t work for me. Better to crouch-HP if you’re close enough. Punch’em in the knee!
Oh, and MP/really well-timed LP Snakestrikes work well to get over low Shots from afar while building meter. Be careful up close, though: While you could get lucky and stuff a followup poke when you’re close, you’re vulnerable upon landing, and very likely to get a foot in the face or groin. If you’ve got meter, EX Messiah is a good move to toss out as a catchup move, surprising them just as they land after a jumpback. Gotta be careful when doing that, though, as you could easily get stuffed by a Shot or a jumpkick at long distances.
Stalling out your tornado is a good way to counter standing roundhouses too.
I don’t like going 50/50 with Sagat, so I usually wait until I have an ex stock to crossup dive his wakeups.
Oh thats right, i dont have to hold forward for tornado. Im just really used to the dive kick-HP cancel to heavy gt.(to lp tornado in the corner).
It really sucks you cant roll under high tiger shots. Getting in on sagat and STAYING there is so hard cuase if hes able to jump outta the corner whup hes running away AGAIN -_-.
You make a good point block the low ones duck the high ones. I still like to FA for faster meter. Although i will say the shots get a lil more intense one he has ex meter, considering chip damage i mean.
Yea thats what i mean with sagat though. He has such long reach like dhalsim except you could really PUNISH dhalsims reach you know? Ill try the ex messiah upon his landing but i just have a bad feeling more-so about the jumping roundhouse…
For high tiger shots the best option is to just duck and walk forward. You can c.hp it if your reaction is good.
For low tiger shots you can hk messiah kick it on reaction pretty easily. Or just short dive kick and walk forward.
A jumping sagat eats c.mp/ex snake strike all day.
Ehhh I decided I am not going to post my matchup thing yet. I was talking to Azrael and he brought up a good point. If you bring up a printable version of this thread with 100000 posts per page then use ctrl + F, you can find anything you are looking for.
Ahhh what the hell, sorry for the double post but here is what I have so far on the match ups.
List
Spoiler
Abel
Close/(maybe) far St.mk beats out Wheel Kick. Jab SS beats out wheel kick randomly. St.HP as well.
Can block cr.HP and punish with Ultra. Can punish Messiah (all) with Ultra.
Dive Kick shenanigans aren?t great against abel unless you mix it up.
Akuma
EX SS Air Fireballs.
Balrog (Boxer)
St.MP is your best poke here.
Tri Jumps whiff.
Crossup dive kick is great against Boxer.
Can combo GT > Ultra anywhere on screen.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=187004
Blanka
Cr.MK xx EX Tornado to punish electricity.
Block Blanka Balls standing. Walk forward a little bit, and use Cr.FP to punish.
Meaty cross up dive kicks can punish electricity on wakeup.
J.HK into either Ultra or EX Snake Strike on blocked Rainbow Balls.
Ex GT slides if you need the damage. Cr.MK xx EX GT if he is close and slides.
You can EX Messiah Kick Blanka out of his Ultra as long as he is still rising.
Can Ultra Blanka.
Cammy
FA is a godsend here.
Crimson Viper
Chun-Li
J.MP and J.MK are good Air-to-Air tools.
She has a floaty jump. Ex SS her.
Dive Kick beats EX SBK.
Dan
Dhalsim
E. Honda
Cr.MP beats out Buttslam.
Cr.LP beats out headbutts.
El Fuerte
FA when you are getting up to take away of his options. Can still throw you.
Fei Long
Gen
Gouken
Bait parry?s with short dive kicks etc.
Guile
Ken
Far St.HP beats step kick if you predict it.
M. Bison (Dictator)
Cr.MP beats out Headstomp and Devils reverse. EX SS is good here too.
GT beats out scissor kicks.
Rose
Rufus
Ryu
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=185142
Sagat
J.MK can cross up Sagat.
Crossup Dive Kick is not useful here. He can punish, even on hit.
Cr.HP under High Tiger shots.
Sakura
Seth
Vega (Claw)
Jump back j.mp/j.hk takes care of most wall dives
Can combo GT > Ultra anywhere on screen.
Zangief
St.FP for anti-air and punishing lariats that are closer.
Cr.FP for punishing lariats across the screen.
Stay away from dive kicks. Tri Jumps whiff.
Don?t EX Messiah from half screen. Lariat beats it. Use it if you predict lariat on wakeup.
Can combo GT > Ultra anywhere on screen.
List is looking good so far keep it up ^^
soo… i was fighting a vega on xbl and he kept trying to cross me up with his wall jump shenanigans… I thought that he would mix it up and try to hit me without using a cross up… so i time a fragrance palm to send him flying… BUT he does try to cross me up and my fragrance palm STILL hits him… It seems as if the system auto corrected itself…BUT rufus didnt turn around… Its on a repaly on XBL if anyone wants to see it… DJMasters619 is my gamertag… this just happend last night so it might still be in the recently uploaded… pretty funny stuff
both palms have hit boxes
I think his head has hitboxes too.