I find it kinda funny that people were so busy posting back and forth that they apparently missed Mr. Wizard rolling in here and reaffirming every “pay your game into EVO” conspiracy theory ever.
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I like how people got “they didn’t give us any money so we kicked them” out of Wizards post. When in a nutshell Ark and the community either ran out of steam or just kinda gave up on the game.
Maybe if it didn’t drop a update every and new dlc character every few months the scene would stay stable for it, I’m far from a anime fighter player…But i like BB…Not gonna keep up with update after update though. Especially when there are other fighters out to play.
BB are pulling the same numbers it was pulling before the big fighting game boom which is sad. The fact that snk…SNK of all people have stepped up there game after a horrid fail that was kof12 and years of being a “side game” and almost failing and going out of business is now gonna big on the big screen with more than 200+ people i’m sure combined from all over the world should be epic… It’ll take FOOOORREVER but should be epic.
I find that interesting due to the fact I actually enjoyed watching the Blazblue tourney even though I’ve never even touched it. It made me want to get it. However instead of knocking it out entirely, why not just give it a slot in the side tourney? People won’t get as hype for it, but people would still get hype.
Don’t worry. Smokemaxx can only get top players to come to his tourneys if he can con the community into paying for their flight.
Ok this is getting stupid cause this is gonna turn into a circle real quick so allow me to help out here. Frist of all you all know that BlazeBlue will most likely have a side tournament there right. I mean come on I have only got to play the new BB once and i saw how fun it was. Plus when you take into account that almost every good fighting game gets a side turny at evo. Evo always seems to save a spot for alternative games and as always they want to try something new (enter KOF). Now before we go yelling at MK9 lets take a step back and look at the big picture if BB would replace mk9 then what would happen to to mk9. They would stat a thread much like yours then 5 mins later they would have a side tournament all the while cursing capcom and shaking their heads at BB (Much like what you guys have been doing). No offense guys but the entire argument seems to based off of not being on the main stage.
Normally I’d stay far far away from all this whining but there are just too many things popping up in this thread that are just offending to the ears to hear.
First and foremost, a lot of the responses in this thread are the perfect microcosm of why BB is no longer an official Evo game. The general ignorance, whining, and sense of entitlement is absolutely astounding. Seems like almost everyone has an excuse or has another group or party to place the blame on for why their favorite game is no longer on the official list. When in actuality they need only look once place: In the goddamn mirror.
Let’s start with a few of these statements shall we?
Ok, this old tired bit needs to go and it needs to go fast. BB got love from it’s devs? Well actually you are correct on that. Aksys has done a fine job showing up at tournaments, bringing new builds and generally trying to hype up the game. They even threw in a staggering 1k pot bonus for a major to encourage the entire BB community to show up and hype up the tourney. The result: A whopping THIRTY of you found it worth your time to come out. 30, for a major, with a very sweetened pot. The FGC doesn’t toss you aside, you guys do it yourselves by not even being bothered to show up for a major.
The “LOL EVERYONE SHITS ON ANIME GAMES” is even worse. Guilty Gear managed to stay a consistent Evo game for years and years and is just as Anime if not even worse. Can you guess why that happened? If not don’t worry, i’ll be explaining later. It is honestly astounding how loud this group of players scream when they feel wronged, but yet how quiet they are about actually getting up and doing something about it. If there is one thing to take away from this result of BB not being official at Evo, and from a lot of the responses to the outrage it’s this very simple lesson that BB players need to learn today:
Actions speak HELLA louder than words.
Let me point out a fantastic example for you all, one that is closely related to how the BB players crying foul feel right now. It involves Guilty Gear at Evo. If you want to talk about “The red headed step child” factor, just ask any GG player who attended Evo from 2k3 on. GG was not well recieved by the capcom players as it started to grow (overall, some liked it, many did not). Most established players didnt care for the game and cared even less for the community playing it. It was almost every year that Gear players had to stand together and put forth a massive effort to keep the game on the official tournament roster. Guess what, they made it happen.
Let’s go back to Evo 2k5, evo’s first year in Vegas. GG had been steadily growing in attendance both at Evo (2k3 and 2k4 being it’s first 2 years), and many other regional tournaments. The first update to the XX series was out on consoles with #R, but was only available as an import. Because the GG community kept up with the newest game, pretty much every serious tournament player had imported a copy of #R, it had been the main game in tournaments for almost a year at that point. When the announcements for Evo 2k5 came down, gear players got a startling revelation. Evo would once again be XX. #R would not be played.
In a fashion similar to this, the gear community called out to SRK and the Evo staff. Basically explaining that XX was dead, no one played it and unless #R was the main game there was no point to having it at Evo that year. After some back and forth discussion, Mr. Wizard and the Evo staff gave out a simple ruling: The only way #R was going to be played was if the GG community provided enough Japanese consoles (modded was not ok, this had to be completely legit) and import copies of the game to efficiently run the tournament.
The burden was put solely on the community’s shoulders to make it’s game happen, can you guess what went down? Players bought or sent in their already owned Japanese PS2’s months in advance of EVO to assure #R’s spot on the roster. Literally THOUSANDS of dollars of equipment was tossed into the postal service just to get our game back on the stage for another year. The community backed up it’s talk with action, and got to reap the rewards. The BB community so far can’t even be bothered to show up when they are GIVEN reward for free (pot bonuses).
Now before I go on, i should point out that wrapping up the entire BB community as a whole as being lazy is unfair. You have players like HeartNana, Veteru, Spark, and Lord Knight who have really tried to put their time and effort out there in the community to make this game matter. But that’s why it’s called a community, it takes a collective whole to get shit done, not just a few select players putting all the work on their own shoulders.
I want to specifically call out this old bullshit statement. This is a perfect example of BB players laying blame somewhere else. They want to blame Evo for putting in SFxT or MK9, they want to blame gear players for the lack of support to their game. How about you all try manning up and taking some responsibility for yourselves?
Guilty Gear players have nothing to do with the downfall of BB in this country. The GG community has proven time and time again that it’ll support it’s game if they feel it’s worth the time. The GG side tourney at Evo last year had almost 100 people. A side tournament for a game that hasn’t been an official evo game since 2k9 nearly broke a hundo in entries, and it was run by two players from Hawaii who specifically traveled to Evo just to support the game. BB had official entry and support from Evo and couldn’t break 200? Why should guilty gear players support a game they don’t like as much as their own, when the players who do love it can’t even be bothered to step up to the plate. Just because the established player base that came before you doesn’t like your game as much doesn’t give you the excuse to pin blame on them for it’s lack of success. If BB is such a great game and deserves a great community, why does the support not exist?
Then comes the laughable blame towards Evo and the money. You say MK9 is a bad game and doesn’t deserve to be in. Whether or not you like the game is irrelevant, it has an established player base and has proven to be a solid competitive tournament game with consistent numbers. MK players know they have to show up, they have to network, they have to put in the time and effort at tournaments to keep their game in the scene, and guess what: That’s exactly what they did. MK players turn up in droves to play in tourneys and they have a game worthy of high level competition, they EARNED their spot.
KoFXIII has done the same. Aside from being maybe the best 2D fighter made on this generation of consoles, the player base who bought in have been hyping up this game NON-STOP since last year. They’ve constantly spoken of the games quality and encouraged anyone and everyone to pick up the game no matter how new or different they are from the established community. Atlus has poured TONS of marketing and money into the franchise since getting ahold of it, again, they put in the WORK to get their spot.
SFxT, is what it is. I can understand why this one leaves the BB community salty. It’s an unestablished game that frankly doesn’t look like it’ll stand the test of time as a tournament quality fighter. But all that being said, it is Capcom’s next big release, and like it or not Capcom gives a massive amount of support to EVO. EVO would likely not be able to handle how huge it has become without the help that Capcom has given it, so while it may not be fair to BB, SFxT is rightfully getting the benefit of the doubt, and that shouldn’t surprise anyone.
If you are one of the “many” who wanted BB back at Evo, then you should have seen this coming. These new game releases were not hidden or surprising to anyone, and If I were a big BB player and saw my game get the lowest turnout last EVO by a wide margin, I’d be looking at the calendar going “wow, we better step it up if we want this game to keep being important at majors”. Apparently that idea didn’t click with the community, and this is the unfortunate result.
I am not trying to shit all over the BB community, I hate to see anyone passionate about their game be left off the VIP list at the club. But what does irk me is when the randoms pop out to cast blame and cry foul at everyone else instead of taking a step back and trying to see what they could have done to prevent this. You flat out have to support your game if you want it to grow, and the BB community hasn’t been doing that. Christ last year at UFGT7, which is the biggest tournament in the midwest, BB got a whopping 14 entries. And the midwest was one of the BIGGEST scenes for Arc-sys games. You know what got a lot more entries? Vampire Savior, a game that requires bringing in Arcade cabinets just to run. This is the kind of result that you as a community can not allow to happen if you want your game to matter!
What this truly boils down to, is that even if you can’t see it, you the Blazblue player has been given an opportunity here. You now have the chance to prove everyone wrong, and show both EVO and BB naysayers that they are wrong for not including your game. All you have to do, is show up and play, that’s it. It doesn’t have to be at EVO, it can be any tournament. Show up to the regionals and majors. Get 100+ people in the brackets and get hype. Work with tournament organizers and streamers to get your game on the stream and get the community involved and make not just your voice, but your actions heard. Then, after that, show up to Evo and throw the biggest fucking BB tournament this country has seen. Make the Evo staff look over and go “Wow, that’s 300 some entry fees we lost out on”. If you want to make a point, make it tangible. Show why your game is good, why it’s hype, and why it deserves to be included with the other big boys at the table. That’s why those other games are there:
Their actions spoke louder than your words.
Or you can keep sitting on the forums and popping off about how other games aren’t as good as yours, and sound like whining entitled children who can’t be bothered to get out of the house and support your game. In the end it doesn’t matter what I or anyone else says about this situation, what matters is what you DO about it.
Have/will side tournaments be streamed or are there bandwidth restrictions?
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Man I aint even mad over MK9, SCV adn SFxT getting in is some bullshit.
Not building scenes my ass.
Westlo defending the faith of SfXT, all day erry day
Instead of getting mad the BB community should look at this like a wake up call and get their shit together, seriously I was at both NEC and SCR and the turnout for both events was very disappointing. If you guys wanna get BB back in the EVO lineup start by SHOWING UP TO EVENTS!!! Go to EVO and host a side tourney, the KOF community has been doing this for years and finally it paid off.
Using the excuse that there is a new version coming out or is in the works is really stupid, if the BB community really supports the game they are going to show up to a MAJOR tourney no matter what version is being played. At EVO last year we had a KOF XIII tourney for the arcade version and we had great turnout from the community even when the NEW AND REBALANCED version of the game with NEW CHARACTERS was being demoed by Atlus just a few steps away.
Man, every BB player in here is ignoring the fact that it doesn’t have the numbers. You can point to Wiz’s post about ArcSys not supporting EVO with $ to get the game in, but he also pointed out the LOW ATTENDENCE numbers. ArcSys put their money at every but EVO and the players still didn’t show up. Enough people aren’t showing up.
Deal With It.
As a former BB player, Klaige pretty much expresses my sentiments exactly. Outside of a few select players, BB players have remained a netplay only community. Nothing wrong with that, but you really shouldn’t be given a main spot at EVO if you can’t show up to tournaments, including NEC’s pot bonus tournament. Hell, last year, my first tournament ever (NEC XI, 2010), there were MORE GG players than BB players. Hell, some GG heads (Steve Harrison comes to mind) are still very passionate about GG and still play it in tournaments. However, it was really cool meeting the passionate players like LK and St1ckBug, but in general the community hasn’t shown much interest in trying to show up to tournaments.
Do I think BB is a fun game? Yes
Can BB grow? Yes
Do I think the community really wants it? Not really. I just haven’t seen it.
Will I continue to hold free BB tournaments and put my money in the pot? Yes, because I’d like to have a local BB scene.
Oh well, can’t wait to go heavy in KoFXIII now. Grats to them and the KoF community for getting a major spot at EVO.
There’s nothing wrong with being an online-primary game, especially since BB is one of the few games to do netcode right.
Whether a game makes a tourney is dependent on its popularity and profitability, not its quality. Otherwise VF would be the main game at Evo.
Klaige U-GOD.
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How about you make a relevant post?
Oh don’t make stupid assumptions. Anyone who’s actually been to any of my tournaments can tell you that I’ve supported just about every fighting game when other T.O.s just want to ignore them. When TvC was dropped off the map, who ran a tournament for it? When BlazBlue was dying, who ran several tournaments for it? It’s not the T.O.s responsibility to grow the community. If BlazBlue players spent half the time attending tournaments and growing their own community as they do bitching about their game, maybe it’d be at Evo. Go to every major fighting game website and look up the Arkansas thread. I probably made that thread. Guess what? Some communities just flat out don’t grow. I was one of the first guys to start up the Arkansas Fighting Game community in its current form and now we have over 200+ members in our Facebook group. This is from me hosting meetups and whatnot for Street Fighter 4 a few years back. Why in the hell can I get 50+ for ONE GAME in ONE STATE (small Arkansas even!) and BlazBlue struggles to do this at like every major it’s at? BlazBlue community is to blame and noone else. And before anyone starts crying, ask yourself this: Did you show up to the last few BB Majors? Did you tell others to go? No excuses. I’m not good at Capcom fighters but I still attended Evo and Season’s Beatings as long as pretty much every major (and several minor) tournament(s) within 7 hours of where I live. Why? To support the scene.
Untrue but nice try. Every person who donated money was a member of the Arkansas Fighting Game Network, the same organization that RAN the tournament. Neither Justin Wong nor Marn’s flights were paid for for ARK IV. Got any more dumb assumptions you want to make?
How about you try running tournaments in states that aren’t recognized and see how easy it is to get top players there regularly. Arkansas stepped up as a FGC and got top players here. It shouldn’t matter how they got them there, what matters is that they got them there and it was a success. Now Arkansas is getting shoutouts as a legit FGC that runs legit tournaments on big streams. And Arkansas didn’t even have to pay to players top come out the next time. They came on their own accord. How about you sound a little more retarded? Just because your community has gone to shit and doesn’t want to do anything, doesn’t mean you have to shit on another community that’s actually trying and getting somewhere.
as a guy getting into the BB scene everything said about people not going to tourneys is true . not to shit on my niggas…but…my BB community don’t even go to the ranbats we have up here because they’re broke to pay for entry and venue fees for one game. they rather play casuals for free and the only chance they go to out of state tourneys is when they can afford some cash and a ride. giving that its only a good 15 of us …15 niggas can lead to a bigger community if they try more harder…but…they’re broke.
goes back to that the community dont go out and support they’re game. wizard said its just business and in business actions speak way louder then words.
Damn, I wish we still had the “Nominate for an article” button.