I don’t call walking behind something and getting a OHKO, stealth. I have done it a lot in MGR but still…
NG trying to shoehorn in stealth would be a FUCKING mess.
It would be this shitty throw-away mechanic like the one stealth portion in GTA SA.
And if they designed an NG around stealth… well, it wouldn’t be a Ninja Gaiden game anymore.
Point being: don’t be a casual gaming fag who wants X series to put its dick in a strange hole.
I can’t see NG with viable stealth being pulled off right a bad thing or “NG” anymore. The more viable styles the better.
Played a few Razor’s Edge chapters tonight.
Went HAM as Kasumi. Unlocked her level 3 weapon and all her sub-skills not including health/costumes and combined, it made for some good times. She has a command grab that launches enemies(it looks hilarious, she even has a whiff animation on the throw. 
) her demon flip throw is a fucking knee neck breaker, and she has multiple air juggles not including shuriken cancelling shenanigans.
I’ll have to try out Ayane more, but right now, this Kasumi chick is my favorite female character in the game. Smashed levels 1-4 so free, goddamn.
Finished Razors Edge last night. Final boss was utter shit. But the game was overall fun. It still can’t pull me away from MGR, but good nonetheless. Now onto the DMC HD Collection.
DAT DMC2!!!
The demo was good but it wasnt so over the top that it was crazy. But keep in mind the demo was a prologue so in the respect it was pretty entertaining.
The actual game however, I find myself going through it sometimes and I just run around looking at the set pieces and designs. Good care was taken with that game, it runs at a butter smooth 60fps and looks gorgeous.
I might play it today.
So a ninja gaiden game like mgr, incorporating stealth and or flat out murdering everything would not be ninja gaiden and be terrible? Shut the fuck up you idiot. I’m mad at yall that actually agreed with that troll ass post.
Ng4 would only hope to be as good as mgr, if ng3 and re are any example of what’s to come from team ninja. They better take a look at old ng’s and platinum games for inspiration.
Naw Ninja Gaiden should be straight combat. tHey are combat games, they don’t need stealth.
Hell the stealth in MGR isn’t that good, it’s very shoehorned.
I disagree. Stealth in mgr is just fine. It’s not forced at all, and if you think it’s shoehorned because it seemed unrealistic, then I advise you to play any past metal gear solid game again.
Are you saying mgr isn’t a combat game? Because it’s a better combat game then re and it was made in a short amount of time under high pressure, but still managed to incorporate new gameplay mechanics into the game, run smooth, and give us an infinite amount of fun to be had until mgr2.
Like I said earlier, I don’t care if it stays straight murder everything. I just think mgr showed everyone that there is a balance between combat and tactical stealth that can be had.
Please someone explain to me how stealth is forced in mgr. I don’t even understand that sentiment. It flows fairly nice IMO. Maybe I’m overlooking something
Very few games incorporate stealth well into their gameplay anyway. I personally find stealth to be broken(not in your favor) in most games that have it.
By the way, rising doesn’t run at a consistent 60 FPS. It’s more in the 40’s and 50’s range. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-metal-gear-rising-face-off
PC version probably won’t run at 60 FPS at all times when it comes out unless your PC is really good or you nuke the settings.
okay, somehow this thread is becoming more bitch-made than the unpopular game opinions thread what with people flagging others over an opinion.
all it needs is shogunz, and then you over-feminized sacks of shit can flag-bomb a nigga when he debunks your suggestions that promote casual gaming. 
MGR is a hype game, it lives and dies on it’s presentation(which is does great), but once you get past the sheer style, you’re left a with a pretty thin game…
It’s combat is rather shitty IMO, not even worth comparing to Ninja Gaiden aside from it being Platinum’s riff on Ninja Gaiden combat. Nice boss battles though, I’ll give it that, but…
The combat sequences are all too short to ever let you cut loose and see how far it can go, and it has way more stuff in common with Vanilla NG3 than any MGR fan will ever admit, and it’s not the “good” parts. Having a flick-the-stick parry mechanic and the cutting mode(which is more of a stylish finisher than an actual combat mechanic) is hardly introducing anything new.
I liked MGR, but I liked it’s potential going forward as franchise way more than I liked the game.
Uh no i don’t think it’s shoe horned in because it’s unrealistic (This is stupid as fuck for you to think I have an issue with the is in Metal Gear fucking Rising man what the Christ?) i think it’s shoehorned because it sucks. It’s awkward and overly difficult, Raiden doesn’t have any good stealth maneuverability, all his strengths lie in out and out combat. He can’t walk quietly, he can’t duck behind cover to avoid an enemies gaze when they look at him, he can’t slink, he can’t menuver in a stealthy manner. He can walk reeeeeaaaly fucking slow, he can jog, and he can run. His stealth mechanics are shallow.
Of course i think MGR is a combat game THAT’S WHY I THINK THE STEALTH IS SHOEHORNED. It’s an action game not a sneak around and shank people in the back game.
Jesus it’s like you read into shit whatever the fuck you want then bang on your keyboard like an asshole putting words in peoples mouths. I never said anything about realism and i never said MGR isn’t a combat game. I don’t even know wtf realism has to do with the conversation at all. If i had problem with the realism I;'d be complaining about a little man throwing a 100 ton robot into the air and slicing it in half with a sword that’s not even the length of the limbs it’s slicing in half.
Christ.
I don’t think most people take the time to really get into the mechanics of an NG game. There’s so much cool shit you can do in NG, and the more knowledge you have, the more you can break things combined with you probably having more fun because of it.
Combat and enemy interaction in NG is #1. DMC and Bayo games give you more options(a majority of which are air and juggle based) but that doesn’t make them more fun to play, imo.
I find NG2’s and RE’s pacing in combat and movement speed of your character and enemies to be a lot faster for the most part than DMC or Bayo too. Re-playing DMC3 lately and Dante runs at the speed of a fucking turtle.
i have to address this first. at least i know you have never played mgr now. maybe at a friends house at most.
i didnt say you have an issue with mgr because you might think that. i said if thats a reason you think the stealth is shoehorned (because ive seen that reason given a few times), then i would think you are crazy.
the stealth is awkward and overly difficult? please explain how a mechanic that gives you instant kills on any body in the game that is not a boss, awkward and overly difficult. if anything if you suck at straight up combat, but are good in finding ways to position enemies in a way to stealth kill them all in one run, its a pretty over powered mechanic, and naturally so, because if you were to sneak up on someone and stab them, it should be default be an instant kill.
raiden doesnt have any good stealth maneuverability? HE CANT WALK QUIET? HE CANT AVOID AND ENEMIES GAZE? lol wuuuuut
being able to sneak walk slow, jog, and run are shallow within the context of the environment he can do it in? what else do you want him to do, hang from the rafters? im sure if platinum games had more time, they could have done that. they could have done a ton more if they started on the game in the first place, and didnt get some half ass shit to work with, and get done in a short time frame. remember the time frame this game had to be made in, and please quietly stfu. not to mention he has varying sub weapons (smoke grenades, emp grenades, barrell, box, etc…) that allow him to stealth kill in various ways also, and the mere fact that most of the environment is open to him to run over, jump over, etc… and kill enemies also adds to his stealthing. there are numerous amounts of ways for raiden to stealth, and if i need to go into the mgr thread to continue this discussion, and just spend a few hours on an area giving you all the ways i found out how to stealth the enemies, then i will.
the stealth is shoehorned because you want to label it an action game and nothing else, because just saying something is shoehorned without any valid examples doesnt make it a legit opinion, just the opinion of someone who might be vastly uninformed.
its like you didnt read what i typed, but as soon as you saw me mention you (because i called your bitch ass out in the lounge earlier last week), all you saw was red, and typed away like the typical shit head you are. i ASKED YOU if that was your reason for thinking mgr’s stealth was shoehorned, not that, that was your opinion. all you had to say was no, and give examples. instead you acted like the typical bitch that you are, and still gave no examples as to why it is shoehorned. READ WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND TELL ME YOU GAVE LEGIT REASONS WHY ITS SHOEHORNED. PLEASE, because maybe i missed them over your whining.
i even said please let me know, because maybe i dont know shit, and im just seeing it one way, and maybe the stealth really is shitty, and severely lacking. of course you ignored my lack of hostility toward you, and acted like a ho. its funny. so get to googling to find someone elses opinion on the matter, and copy and paste it in here. obviously you have never played the game, or you just really have that worthless of an opinion. ho ass
i think the combat is still really good. when it comes to dmc3se, ng2, ng3re, dmc4, bayonetta, and mgr, in my opinion the ng series has the least in depth combat of them all. lets be serious here. ng is just a difficult series period. if you are gonna sit here and tell me combat wise ng 3re or even ng2 have more combat options over mgr, then i respectfully have to say you are crazy, and id love to see that comparison list. also, platinum cannot riff on ng combat imo, considering they are clearly much more in touch with the genre then anyone else right now, and thats why kojima came to platinum, not to team ninja. they knew when it came to that genre, platinum games was above anyone else in the game.
the combat sequences arent anymore short then any other game of the genre at all, especially if you know what you are doing. if you want to toy around in mgr with enemies, finding ways to style on them, you can, and no one who can play that game at a higher level would deny that. its not like on revengeance mode in mgr youre going to sit here and tell me the combat sequences are too short, and youre too over powered, murdering all enemies in seconds. cmon son
whats new to the hack n slash genre via mgr, are the usable sub weapons (yeah its from the metal gear series, but in an action game, those sub tools are usually not normal parts of your gameplay ever, and are things you use when you are a casual player not wanting to die), actual stealth options (say what you want, but there is no legit sneaking and killing of enemeis, or a whole entire stage for that matter in ng, dmc, or bayonetta), cutting (even if people think its shitty, it gave you a choice to how to defeat or toy with your enemy, and it opened up a way for them to put in achievements by forcing you to delimb on left arms at certain points), and thats probably about it. i think. the rest of it was pretty standard, but the combination of the metal gear solid world stealth, with combat done by the best company out there now doing it, was exceptional in my opinion.
i think mgr2 people can grasp an even better opinion of what p* is capable of. mgr imo was still great, and was done under a lot of pressure, and in a short amount of time.
Wow. Just wow. LOL
A game that doesn’t have as many options as another game doesn’t mean it lacks depth jimmy you dumb bastard.
You going to tell me SFIV is deeper than ST because you can EX and FADC? Come on, now.
Lol i haven’t played MGR now. Fuck off Jimmy. You don’t know shit about what I have or have not played.
No I will not shut the fuck up you dingbat little piece of shit. I praise P* for pulling off what they did in the amount of time they did but that doesn’t magically make the stealth mechanic wonderful just because they managed to let you OHKO enemies from behind. Your giving the mechanics a pass because of the amount of time they where done in. I’m not gonna sit and pretend the game has fantastic stealth mechanics just because P* hamfisted them into the game in a years worth of dev time. No fuck you, I refuse. I love MGR bvut I;m not gonna pretend it’s flawless.
No i want to lable them shoe horned in because they are, and i want to lable MGR an action game because that’s what it fucking is.
The bolded part are examples asshole. Just because they are examples you don’t like doesn’t mean they aren’t examples.
Also you didn’t call me out in the Lounge. What you did was see me give you a bit of a hard time over how long winded your posts are TWICE once in the Lounge and once in FGD. Then you proceeded to run to the Lounge and call me a stalker. That’s not calling me out. Thats you being a baby ass little bitch, getting your panties in a bunch and accusing someone of going out of their way to follow you because you didn’t like the,m giving you a little bit a hard time over your posting style. The hilarious thing here is you actually think you important enough for someone to actually stalk you. I don’t give a fuck about you dude.
You know what is calling you out? My response to you being a little bitch and accusing me of stalking you. This is me calling you out again over the same subject. Your a fuckin cry baby who throws a tantrum when someone points out what a bitch your being. You couldn’t be bothered to actually counter my rebuttal to your little “your stalking me whaaa” post in the Lounge, and you weren’t able to come up with any sufficient rebuttals here either. Instead you made generalities to my issues with MGRs stealth “you can traverse the envirment that should be good enough! They only had a year so STFU!” and again resorted to making accusations that aren’t true, accusations you can’t actually back up in any way shape or form. “You’ve never played the game!” Bitch I’m to the last boss on Revengance mode, i just got into other games and didn’t finish that particular mode. You don’t know a fucking thing about what your talking about. “You can’t murder enemies in Revengance Mode in seconds” Bullshit, the Parry mechanic in Revengance Mode is powered up 200% and OHKOs 95% of the enemies in the game when you get a parry counter, you most certainly can murder all the enemies in Revengance mode in seconds.
So take your own advice and quietly shut the fuck up you pussy ass cry baby little bitch.
DMC and Bayo offer at best COMBO variety. That’s what it has over NG. And that’s about it.