NieR: Automata - Platinum's Take on all the Weirdness of NieR and Drakengard

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

Either way a mission based outline for beat em ups is the way to go.

Nobody wants to run for 10 minutes to the checkpoint of the next objective. It defeats the whole purpose of the genre.

There nothing like starting a mission in Devil May Cry and youre already in the middle of a boss fight.

[crotchpuncha]

Stop saying “No one” like your personal feelings about something speak for others. I clearly feel differently then you do so “No one” is obviously not true. The fact people are excited for this game provesthat’s true. The fact Action RPGs are are thing proves that’s not true.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

I dont know what purpose it serves to argue with you about this when there arent any open world stylish action rpg games in existence.

Theyre all mission based, so youre saying that im in a minority when I say “no one” wants an open world action rpg?

EDIT: let me apologize in advance if youre going to post some bad game Ive never heard of to make your point. I only know of Dmc, Bayonetta, MGR, Killer is Dead, No More Heroes, Asuras Wrath, Godhand, Ninja Gaiden, Nier, Bujingai and that game on ps2 where the guy could replace his limbs with guns n shit

[crotchpuncha]

Yes there are lol.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

Final Fantasy 15?

lls. Seriously, enlighten me.

[crotchpuncha]

FFXV, Darksiders II, Rogue Galaxy kind of, Nier Automata, Dust and Elysian Tale yada yada I’m sure I could think of more if I really cared. I mean look you are welcome to disagree with me, I dont care really, my point is there is a market for it, and that I personally would like to see the genre try new stuff moren often. The short chapter format is fine except that almost all of them do it so the format is getting kind of stale, to me anyway. There are new places these games can go.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

Yeah now it all makes sense.

I wouldnt consider those action games. FF15 is an RPG with a freeform battle system, its still turn based to a degree and more RNG than action.

Dust I would consider a traditional platformer with action elements.

Nier and their mini-map style “explore the environment/buy equipment/take on side quests in between misisons” isnt really open world either. Rather it gives the illusion that you have big freedom, but you dont, and thats good, because you dont need it…tbh

[Gasaraki]

Why would a stylish action game need multiple story branches unless they were played by different characters?

I feel like the RPG community might be let down expecting this game to have better story than gameplay with Platinum at the helm. Nier was never exceptionally a well crafted game, just an interesting story IIRC? Correct me if im wrong?

This really reminds me of a discussion that took place beack during the DMC5 E3 rumors where ppl said that chapter based games were old fashioned and needed an open world model, which is horrible for these types of games btw.

It’s not a matter of need, it’s amatter of what they want to make. Yoko Taro has ALWAYS had multiple endings in his games and considering how much Platinum has stressed how they liked Nier and that it will still be Nier game even with them developing, and that Yoko Taro is still directing means it’s pretty fucking likely it’ll have multiple endings.

IMO it’s probably better to think of this as a Nier game where Platinum just makes sure the systems good, have tight controls, and satisfying action, rather than a Platinum game with Nier-like trappings.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

I mean I guess. I’m not saying it wont, I was just saying why would you expect a mind blowingly deep story that out of an action game.

[Gasaraki]

I mean I guess. I’m not saying it wont, I was just saying why would you expect a mind blowingly deep story that out of an action game.

Like, I said, because it’s by Yoko Taro. And being an action game doesn’t preclude it from having a great story.

[crotchpuncha]

I wouldnt consider those action games. FF15 is an RPG with a freeform battle system, its still turn based to a degree and more RNG than action.

Free Form Battle System describes DMC perfectly. Thanks.

You have turn the turn based mechanics on.

Dust I would consider a traditional platformer with action elements.

Dust is a 2D open world action RPG.The combat is as front and center if not more sothen the platforming and navigation but im willing to give it a 50/50 split.

Nier and their mini-map style “explore the environment/buy equipment/take on side quests in between misisons” isnt really open world either. Rather it gives the illusion that you have big freedom, but you dont, and thats good, because you dont need it…tbh

Yea sure, I never said the world needed to be Witcher 3 huge.

[Gasaraki]

Yeah now it all makes sense.

I wouldnt consider those action games. FF15 is an RPG with a freeform battle system, its still turn based to a degree and more RNG than action.

Dust I would consider a traditional platformer with action elements.

Nier and their mini-map style “explore the environment/buy equipment/take on side quests in between misisons” isnt really open world either. Rather it gives the illusion that you have big freedom, but you dont, and thats good, because you dont need it…tbh

No, FFXV actually IS an action battle system. What decides where you hit anything or anything hits you is not dice rolls, it’s hitboxes. There are no turns at all. Yeah there’s meters that charge for more significant attacks, but that happens in DMC even with Devil Trigger. The RNG in that game as far as whether your party takes damage or not has way more to do with your unfortunately AI controlled allies which is necessary since it is a full, real-time action system

[affinity]

yup Ninja Gaiden 1 black/sigma is definitely open world in a metroidish way.

Either way a mission based outline for beat em ups is the way to go.

Nobody wants to run for 10 minutes to the checkpoint of the next objective. It defeats the whole purpose of the genre.

There nothing like starting a mission in Devil May Cry and youre already in the middle of a boss fight.

Automata is not a beat em up though, it’s an action rpg with a hub world. even Yoko Taro wants the game to be more like Zelda OoT instead of Drakengard 3 or Bayonetta.

Nier and Automata are a genre outside of conventional sequence of mission setpieces. it does make the world more immersive instead of a on rails interactive movie.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

Yeah now it all makes sense.

I wouldnt consider those action games. FF15 is an RPG with a freeform battle system, its still turn based to a degree and more RNG than action.

Dust I would consider a traditional platformer with action elements.

Nier and their mini-map style “explore the environment/buy equipment/take on side quests in between misisons” isnt really open world either. Rather it gives the illusion that you have big freedom, but you dont, and thats good, because you dont need it…tbh

No, FFXV actually IS an action battle system. What decides where you hit anything or anything hits you is not dice rolls, it’s hitboxes. There are no turns at all. Yeah there’s meters that charge for more significant attacks, but that happens in DMC even with Devil Trigger. The RNG in that game as far as whether your party takes damage or not has way more to do with your unfortunately AI controlled allies which is necessary since it is a full, real-time action system

Can you do a no damage run in FFXV?

[Gasaraki]

Yeah now it all makes sense.

I wouldnt consider those action games. FF15 is an RPG with a freeform battle system, its still turn based to a degree and more RNG than action.

Dust I would consider a traditional platformer with action elements.

Nier and their mini-map style “explore the environment/buy equipment/take on side quests in between misisons” isnt really open world either. Rather it gives the illusion that you have big freedom, but you dont, and thats good, because you dont need it…tbh

No, FFXV actually IS an action battle system. What decides where you hit anything or anything hits you is not dice rolls, it’s hitboxes. There are no turns at all. Yeah there’s meters that charge for more significant attacks, but that happens in DMC even with Devil Trigger. The RNG in that game as far as whether your party takes damage or not has way more to do with your unfortunately AI controlled allies which is necessary since it is a full, real-time action system

Can you do a no damage run in FFXV?

Theoretically yeah. It’d be really fucking hard and probably both boring and slow as fuck though. You do have iframes in the game if that’s what you’re getting at.

Probably only that one room in Costlemark would be nearly impossible just because of the sheer amount of hitboxes going on lol

[Spirit_Juice]

I want 2B to sit on my face and smother me.

[angelpalm]

Yeah you say that but can you deep throat her cock?

I mean, it is Nier…your throat…

[Tekno_Virus]

I want A2 to sit on my face and smother me.

[Spirit_Juice]

Yeah you say that but can you deep throat her cock?

I mean, it is Nier…your throat…

Worth it.

[angelpalm]

I want A2 to sit on my face and smother me.

Smother you with that Granblue artwork lol!!!