2 different styles of annoying
There’s nothing annoying about Bison, he’s the most played character in the game…everyone has tons of experience against that character…
I totally agree Jason.
GG to Neoblood earlier,guess I’m the only one that showed up
Sisslac Borrez
GGs to everyone, Sorry I forfeited but I really wanted to play third strike and it was getting late.
says the Guile player…
I don’t think he’s the most played, but he’s up there. Not alot of great ones though, just like any character. I can definitely respect a good Bison. Big Marcus and Jakob002 are hell of alot of fun to watch IMO, but I really enjoy footsies, spacing, patience when I’m watching. I don’t mind playing Bison -too- much, with Akuma. It is hard, but I know it well and any character that doesn’t duck the second hit of far standing roundhouse is more fun to fight for me. I can’t stand not being able to use one of my biggest tools on like 20+ out of the 35 characters in the game.
I would fight Bison before Balrog or Blanka any day.
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Fuck Bison. Nuff said!
The thing is everyone is going to have their opinion of who they would rather fight against based on their main / most-used character preference. To me, Balrog and Blanka aren’t that bad, but the Bison match up is just ridiculously horrible IMO. I put it up there with AK and Abel (although Abel is getting better).
But to each their own and yes, I am saying that I would rather play against Yun than Bison, Jason, what’s your point?
Part of the main issue with the match up is that, unlike with every other character in the game, Cody can’t blow up Bison with CH’s for mashing crouch tech / cr.short during his strings, because for whatever reason, Capcom decided to make Bison’s short god-tier and he will just knock me out of the CH setup every time. I think it also has to do with his hit box being further back as well when he cr.shorts, but I’m not sure, I just know the shit doesn’t work. You can say, well you aren’t timing it right, yes, I am … If I wasn’t then it wouldn’t work on the rest of the cast either. So with that alone, it’s hard to maintain pressure with Cody when you’re taking a handicap on his MAIN game of frame traps. Add in that Bison can just use safe scissors and pressure ALL day and there’s NOTHING Cody can do about it, at all. So most matches end up with me just sitting there blocking because if I press anything, I get CH into another scissor and then into a mix up on wake up (since again Cody has zero wake up). Cody’s OSs don’t work against Bison either, because since Bison has like 3-4 options on wake up, it’s a 1:3 / 1:4 chance of guessing the right one, and it usually results in me getting punished, so I don’t do them.
(Edit: Oh, and not having a true decent reversal definitely doesn’t help at all. Just sayin’)
It’s just tough. Very tough. But it’s whatever … no reason to have a ridiculously stupid debate over it. It is what it is. First set last night, however, I tried using AK, and that was a WAY easier match up than with Cody. But not REALLY knowing it, and added in that I haven’t used AK in … a while … didn’t help. So second set, I just went with Cody and lost 3-2. Not making excuses or anything, yeah I lost, to a Bison player … again.
I just didn’t listen to Mike and put the ball in the hole, instead I threw up a total brick.
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Ranbat season is over now … You can still do challenge matches if you want. The rankings will stay in place. I’m going to update the rankings and everything later today once I get home. I’m also going to go over some of the ideas that were thrown my way about the ranbats / rankings / etc … So if you have an idea to make the ranbats or rankings better, or have a request for something, feel free to let me know, open to all suggestions.
Late.
I think you guys need to play Mr. Ford’s Yun some.
Either way, I had always heard that Cody v. Bison wasn’t that terrible. Yeah, you can’t do frame traps as much because Cody doesn’t have a two frame trap, but I mean… You honestly shouldn’t just be getting rocked by MASH crouch short. I mean, every match I’ve ever seen Cody V Bison in AE, Cody’s crouch short is pretty fucking godlike in that match. If I’m not mistaken, everyone but like, Ryu who has strong OS’s on Bison are all a risk. Akuma definitely has lesser frame traps and CH set ups than Cody, and I land tons of throws and tons of CH cr. strong. You for sure have a strong advantage after knocking Bison down. Above all, just remember to play patient until you get him knocked down.
Not saying the match up isn’t bad like you say, I think overall Bison gets a little too much shit. I hate him too but like… even Gief, Sagat and Yun players bitch about him. For real? No. You don’t get to bitch about Bison if you play those characters.
I understand how stupid Yun can be, I’ve seen it and played against it. I just seem to have a harder time with Bison in general. I was just using Bison’s cr.short as an example of how it stuffs all traps Cody has, so it takes out a huge part of his game. Cody’s cr.short is very good, the only thing about it is that it doesn’t chain or link into anything and it only cancels into CU or MK/EX.Ruffian. So you either commit, or you do nothing, there’s no inbetween with it. Jab.CU is the only safe move out of that scenario, and that’s only at certain distance. Now, there are some things Bison does you can punish with cr.short, but for the most part Bison is safe (with light scissors and what not).
As for AK, the big difference there is you have a RIDICULOUS wakeup game compared to Cody with dive kicks, palm whiff instant shorts, demon throw (!!), etc. I have jump in (cross or no?), throw, or some meaty normal – that’s honestly pretty much it … Also, can’t AK combo into st.rh after a CH cr.strong?
Either way, like I said, it’s just a pain in the ass … but yeah, still working on it. I think I just need to take a completely different approach to the entire matchup or something.
Squabbler: Seriously, you complain about Bison against Cody like he is nothing. Cody has wake up, you aren’t using it right. You keep getting caught in stuff and not utilizing other traps. You have a tracking jumping neutral Fierce Punch. Bison isn’t scissoring that. You have EX wtf that spiral stuff is on wake up. Like with ANY character, wake ups are SPECIFIC to the character. Your job is to make sure Bison is down. You have a LOT of stuff to do TO Bison that you are just completely forgetting about it.
I mean, I’ve sat back and just watch you complain and whine about Bison and act as if Cody is just super terrible or something.I mean good lord, his frame traps are unmatched…what is Bison going to do with no EX meter? He HAS to use crouch short and all you need to know is how to mixup your frame trap sequences…Towards + MP, crouch Short, crouch MK, crouch Jab, Stand Jab, stand Short…I know you know this, you need to mix them up in the right order and use a tracking neutral jump FP in the middle of stuff too.
I don’t even USE Cody and I am pretty certain I can beat a ton of Bisons just doing 3-4 things. I was just talking about how you were complaining about Cody YESTERDAY to NeoBlood and almost everytime I used wakeup PROPERLY which he DOES have, I hit it every single time against him.
I understand you are frustrated with using him, but you complain and sound ridiculous more and more, so my “point” is there are other ways to play the matchup.
I mean, let’s be honest here. I don’t know half the stuff you guys even talk about in these threads, but I use the characters in the game in a way that is unorthodox to most people, but works for me and still works against everyone I play. I think if people actually messed around with things not seen on videos as much this wouldn’t be the case because in reality, Arson is right, Cody doesn’t just get raped by Bison, you just are not playing the match the correct way and are getting frustrating about it but I mean what do you want? When you were losing you weren’t complaining as much but now that you are doing better in tournaments you are complaining more sounding like that is a crutch…
Yeah, but it is a commitment. You have to do it so fast that you can’t really react to the fact that you just hit a counter. You just do it cr. strong right into roundhouse which makes it a moderate risk, especially when you can just do sweep for less risk ( assuming you’re at the tip of sweep, which you will be after a blocked strong most of the time. ) I guess If I were more asian I could do it on reaction.
Rare footage of old man wilson saying things.
you…you mean you aren’t Asian?
And one more thing to add about Bison…his light scissor trap 50/50 works on everyone. Basically after he does one he sits back and blocks and sees what you do. That is against EVERY character. Obviously he can do things afterwards but he is that safe to where he always has advantage on scissors so I know guessing crouch MP into Tornado might bet you hit with crouch short into scissors but you have a 3 frame short and a jumping neutral FP and ability to just “sit”, again, every character has issues like this against Bison, nothing new, but hey,Cody can combo into anything from one crouch Jab and Hakan can’t and T Hawk can’t. THey must suck, right? I mean, logically with the tools Cody has none of these arguments make sense.
Yes, Bison is a better character overall but the differences from top to bottom in this game are a lot smaller than you think. Either that or it’s time to use Bison. People don’t just “win” tournaments because they pick a character.
And about Yun…I think you have experience against some Yuns but you need more…Yun is heavily overplayed and I have so much experience against Yun myself that I can definitely say Yun is much more of a perfect character than Bison to deal with. I don’t care either way between the two, I am not scared of either character but Yun has more safe and “free” mixups than you think. To put that in perspective…the best Yuns you have probably played locally are wootsick, raginraven (if he used Yun) and Cylus was learning Yun…
Jacob has been playing Yun for 9 months, so it’s much more advanced and he runs over a lot of people here with him…including Raginraven who just won the tourney over there…I mean again, I am just trying to understand why you have to keep complaining about this Cody thing against Bison…everyone is frustrated against a character, but people can help…heck, use Bison on me and I’ll use Cody…I may not know Cody as well as a whole but I know what works against everyone with normals…
being Asian doesnt make you good look at Johnny…
I think you gotta remember that Bison is far less dangerous without meter, think of it like Rufus, when he has no meter that’s when you want to play more aggressive. Bison’s only escape without meter is teleport, which is impossible to do if you get a hard knockdown and time your jump-in right, from there you can work your throw/frame trap game. I’m pretty sure you know this but Cody can punish blocked EX Psycho a number of ways, I know it’s really fast but it’s possible. I’m also pretty sure nj.FP will beat all Bison’s anti-airs clean or trade way in your favor.
I’m serious about that demon flip though, I NEVER block/avoid those correctly.
Lol … EX.CU gets stuffed by just about any normal on wakeup. Try it and you will see. It’s only throw invulnerable. Oh and it’s unsafe on block (-9 I believe), so if I just randomly wake up with that shit and it’s blocked, I get punished. If he does any normal meaty, it stuffs it. If he does any normal that recovers in 6-frames (like a short or something), guess what, he’s safe because EX.CU comes out in a stupid amount of frames. You can’t just throw the shit out whenever you want. The only way to hit him with that on wake up is if he does something like throw, or a ridiculous normal setup or something. I’m not saying he doesn’t have to use cr.short. Guess what, t+mp gets stuffed by low attacks (ESP Bison’s cr.short), so doesn’t work in traps unless Bison uses cr.mk or something stupid, then it will be a CH setup. Touche.
I’m not whining, I never said Cody was a bad character, I’m just saying it’s a hard matchup and was discussing it. But whatever … sorry for discussing a god damn matchup on your fucking TN board all great one.
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Again, I’m not fuckin complaining, all I brought up was that I have problems with the matchup and was discussing it. I don’t even know how to use Bison so that will prove nothing at all … Let me sit and watch you beat the shit out of some other actual Bison user with Cody, then maybe I can understand WHAT the hell to do in the matchup.
I don’t understand why you feel the need to address me in such manner when all I did was bring up the matchup and said very specifically that I was having problems in general with Bison and thought I should take a different approach.
You do realize I said exactly that in a previous post, but apparently you took everything I said as complaining … I said specifically that maybe I’m playing it wrong and need to take a different approach … what do I want? Nothing. I was just discussing it, and seeing if anyone had any thoughts, but apparently that is complaining to you and gives you the right to call me an idiot and say I sound ridiculous. Just because I’ve done better as of late, has nothing to do with me “complaining” about a matchup. Losing to Bison consistently is why I brought it up, because I can’t seem to grasp it.
shit just got real