Charging people for access to a full character roster so soon after release is what’s lower than a snake’s balls or Roseanne Barr’s tits after she takes off her bra. It’s farting in the face of your customers and telling them it’s an exotic perfume. If it really and truly wasn’t ready by the time the game went gold, which I don’t believe for a second, then it should be a free patch. That would show good will towards the people who just shelled out money for a complete package. Making that package obsolete unless the customer immediately opens their wallet again is ethically wrong.
“Obsolete?” I don’t think you know the difference between “I can fight against them, but not play as them, unless I buy the dlc. Do I want to?” and “What?! Blazblue 3 with different balance and system mechanics already?!” Throwing around strong words doesn’t mean anything.
“Ethically wrong…” Ah, right, that rule. How could I forget!: “Ye shall not release characters as DLC and ask money for them so that the game can come out earlier, or ye shall be guilty under HIS eyes. Thine post-release characters shall be free, or released a year or more later on a disc.” Right. You didn’t just make that up right now or anything to justify your disproportionate response. Nope.
Hyperbole and random pointless descriptions like “snake’s balls” or “some famous person I don’t give a shit about tits” don’t count as an argument. Sorry. You act like they’re activision or something. They’re asking $40, and we don’t know how much for the DLC characters.(They asked for 500 microsoft points for about 8 unlimited(Broken, silly boss versions) characters in spring, which is about $7 I think…I’m going to guess they’ll charge $5-$10 for characters. Edit:Apparently someone from arcsys tweeted Makoto will be 560 Microsoft points in Japan, or 800 yen. For america, 560 microsoft points=$7, 800 yen=$9) God forbid they ask for money for what they’re making. They’re charging money for adding characters to the game after it has been released…oh no! Surely they are just cheating you. Or, you know, maybe they just want money for their product. Terrible, right?
Anyway, you have fun demonizing beneficial content by throwing around things like “obsolete” and “ethically wrong.” I’ll reap the benefits of a continually supported game and pay Arcsys for a good product. I don’t go insane whenever I’m asked to pay money for more content, when the other option is for the game to be released later or for a business to give out freebies.
Ugh, I misread Wikipedia. I thought this was coming out in a week, instead of more than a month. BOO.
Hot damn, I loved Jam puffball. Hopefully her voice will be less ear-splitting than Jam, though. HAI HAI HAI WUCHOWWWWWWWWWWW, etc.
Truth.
Not sure how I missed this thread so… Hi, Arakune player here. Psyched for CS, psyched for Hazama and psyched for a more or less “fair” Arakune. Hope to see you all online on release day!
Someone who has access to said character can much better learn the matchup than someone who doesn’t, though. Being able to test things out in Training Mode and play the character with your own hands is a whole different ball game than playing against some random dudes who may or may not know what they’re doing with her. Since fighting games are heavily matchup-based, you are playing an obsolete, crippled version of the game if you don’t immediately open your wallet again.
You’ve already clearly established that you think it’s ethical for a fighting game developer to withhold a character, lie about it and charge people to uncripple their game immediately after release. This is just gratuitous.
I stand behind the fart analogy. It wasn’t hyperbole at all. Let me explain.
AkSys withholds and charges you for a character that was finished before the game went gold (farts in your face). This is a safe assumption when you take into consideration the time it takes to get approval from Microsoft and Sony for DLC. It has to be finished and in their hands weeks in advance. Then they try to make it seem like it’s more acceptable than other near-release-day DLC because it ‘isn’t on the disc’ (convince you it’s perfume).
The rest of your post was about the cost of the DLC, which is not the issue for me. I’m bothered by the timing and the terrible precedent that it sets.
Useful information here:
http://www.aksysgames.com/forums/topic/685
You can do training mode or arcade mode while you wait for online matches.(Not that the online isn’t filled, even at this late in BBCT…)
However, I’m sketchy about some of this. So, we have some bad news…
Q: Will there be awards or unlocks for completing Challenges, Story Mode, or Arcade Mode?
A: Doing these things will unlock items in Gallery Mode (as well as achievements/trophies), and beating Story Mode unlocks Mu-12 as a playable character.
Was hoping they’d learn from SF4 and not do this.
I am starting to question this FAQ now, because of:
Q: Will there be an option for alternate character announcer voices?
A: No.
Meanwhile, Famitsu said there would be alternate announcers. Does only Japan get it, or what?
Edit: Someone asked in the Aksys thread, and got a response:
"Sorry, I misspoke. There will be no English alternate announcer voices. You can use the Japanese ones if you want. "
Woo.
They can learn the matchup a bit quicker, sure. But practicing against blockstrings in training mode doesn’t compare to doing it under pressure, and you could always ask some makoto player on dustloop to test stuff with you, which could easily benefit them as well. Obsolete, crippled, blah blah heavy handed words.
Sure I do. Blah blah, uncripple, harsh words, accusations, blah blah, all I hear is “I don’t see how obviously beneficial it is for a game to continually get more life through new content. I"ll just accuse you of being OK with things I haven’t proven. How dare you think its ok for them to release the game earlier and ask money for continued content!”
Show me any proof that we know it is done, which would mean showing proof that sony/microsoft always take inordinate amounts of time can’t check the actual code while graphics are still WIP.
They also have to take time actually producing the CDs and such. July 1, japanese release, August 5, Makoto release. All you’re throwing out is assumptions. Considering you have this burden or proof, and Makoto is only one of 3 DLC characters, cost is the important for judging how they’re handling DLC with the 2 characters after, at the least. At the worst, postponing CS in japan a few weeks would mean Makoto on the disc, so there is also the question of "Is $7 fair for content that would have been on the disc if they postponed it?"
Keep in mind the august 5th release date may not mean it is approved. The spring patch did not get approved by sony until 2 weeks after the planned release. Microsoft approved of it on time, though.
Also, none of what you just said justifies wasting my time with your farting fetish and whatever other junk you like to type.
Announcing payed DLC a week before release and then having it available only a month after is regardless, fucking stupid. Especially for a fighting game. Is Arc System Works releasing BlazBlue on July 1 really as big of a deal as Call of Duty dropping Veteran’s Day Tuesday every year? Like, it just doesn’t add up. If you have Makoto in a screenshot ready form right now, you had her planned ages before you announced that release date.
There’s no good bloody reason for the game to not ship August 5th with Makoto-arcade operators sure won’t complain, and it’s ultimately much more practical for everyone involved as far as internet access and portability problems go (eg. offline players whose consoles aren’t even connected to the internet get dicked). There’s a bad reason if you couldn’t finish her on time and didn’t want to delay the game, but then charging for content you were too incompetent to get in on time is really bull.
Of course, there’s the other minor problem here that there’s a very good chance that another BlazBlue will come out in roughly 12 months with all those characters as part of the initial cost, making it a terrible DLC investment. It’s an otaku cash in basically. They know they have a captive niche audience who will buy shit.
There won’t be BB3 for a while. They’re doing GG after this one. That’s why they’re doing a patch 6 months down the road and adding DLC characters, while still having the game come out earlier.
You want to chuck some >implying in there? I think the idea people would not have their console located in a position where it reaches an internet connection is pretty reasonable for a fighting game of all things. You can wait a freaking month to save $10 and a download, and if they had announced the release date as August in the first place I’d struggle to see how you could possibly give a damn. I don’t recall mentioning characters that are added a reasonable length of time after release and not FUCKING SHOWN IN SCREENSHOTS A WEEK BEFORE as being quite such a problem.
What they do next is still to be seen. The status of the arcade version is a fucking mess right now after all. There’s a reasonable chance the next console version will be a little longer in waiting though, yes, but you know, “reasonable” goes both ways. Check out that Valve and that Left 4 Dead 2 thing. The first of those was supposed to be supported for a good while and HL2 Ep.3 was supposed to be next, but guess what profitability will do…
Or I could just, you know, play the game for a month and give them $10 if i’m interested in playing the character. Possibly save $7-10, get another month of play in, sounds good to me.
A month after Japanese release for a character that only has her gauge showing in one screenshot sounds reasonable to me.
What? Do you think that the arcade version won’t get this content?
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?p=656594#post656594
They announce more content for the game after release, and some people feel the need to respond with salt. How sensical.
Smooth.
That doesn’t even make any sense. Aw man they didn’t flip the GUI switch in the other screenshots, this somehow makes a difference!
You know what you impatient bugger? I had to wait a month just to get CT, and didn’t get the LE in the process because of living in Canada and Aksys being useless. So don’t give me this crap about how you need CS a month earlier without Makoto. Paying an extra 20-25% of the original cost of the game a month later is retarded. They need every bit of value proposition on their side to push this game a year after the last one, especially releasing a few months after SSFIV already pulled that shtick. It would have to be something damn special to convince me that combined $120 CAN is worthwhile after getting burned on CT, and “we gonna rape you up the butt with DLC until you’ve spent as much as a full price game anyways” isn’t that. Have fun with all those worthless colour packs getting chucked out the window, by the way.
Tangentially related note, fuck this country that the game alone will cost as much as the game+Makoto in the US.
Generally, I just can’t see how I would ever justify to myself spending nearly 3/4 the cost of NGBC or 1/2 the cost of HDR and MvC2 just to try a character I could very well end up never playing, regardless of launch DLC buttrape. That’s pretty extravagant for my wallet.
Oh yeah, by the way, that “one month” is for the Japanese version. I don’t think she’ll be delayed an extra 3 weeks for download in the US version, so it could be as little as nine days. She’ll be launch DLC in Europe. It gets progressively more ridiculous.
Point is the complaints about “ohh she’s already done” are sketchy. It’s not like we’ve got a full video in front of us with everything looking solid, though the convictions of some would indicate otherwise.
Never said need, I don’t mind getting the game a month early and having the option to buy or not buy a character. This genre has much more replay value than most other genres anyway, so the $40 is more than reasonable. I don’t give a shit about your Canadian woes in this argument, please, cry more. “I don’t mind getting it a month early if a character ends up as an optional purchase after. It’s a pretty positive situation. The other logical option is waiting until october, or not getting the characters at all.” “UMMM FUK U I WAITED IN CANDAA FOR A MONTH DONT TELL ME ABOUT WATIGIN!!!”
Ooh, ooh, I can do this too!
Paying 65% of the cost of SF4 on something that was less than half the effort of the original is retarded. (no.)
Arbitrary nonsense.
Never argued that the DLC is good for their competition with SF4. Don’t really care. I’m just saying it is not this big satanic sacrifice you think it is. Nice job bringing this in after complaining about me pointing out that the other 2 DLC characters would either have the option of not existing until the next Blazblue or the game would be postponed until fall. That is the logical result of “ugh, it’s not 3 months after release? THIEVES” nonsense because then the next month’s character would be too close for your comfort, apparently, all the way to the game being released in november or whatever. I find it acceptable for the game to get released in the summer and the additional characters to be purely optional.
$120? Where the fuck did that number come from? I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Optional DLC is rape. Got it.
what
Yeah dude, I can’t justify spending twice the cost of the original Starcraft or Fallout 3 on a new game.
You could play on an offline friend’s console who has it. If you can’t play the game offline, then I don’t know. Cry every time they add new content to the game which you may not care for, I guess. What a bunch of fuckers, asking $7 for adding a new character!
If you’re poor enough to where $7 is that much of a deal, then sorry. You’ve got bigger concerns than video games.
Never said it would be delayed. The point is is that she isn’t finished for the jap release, and I doubt they’d give Makoto to us for free.
Anyway, you have fun comparing optional DLC to rape and hyperventilating about them asking for money for continued content.
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some more Mak screens
Bitch we know you ain’t wearing nothing under that big ass coat. who do you think you’re fooling.
Got it. Because you definitely aren’t trying very hard to use your brain here.
Makoto is done. You have to be completely ignorant to believe otherwise. She is in QA testing at least, believe it. There’s a big difference between releasing in summer or fall. There isn’t much of one between July and August that I’m aware of.
The DLC is not optional if I want to play the game properly, period. People don’t seem to get this, but you understand the difference between upgrading to CS and this? When you buy CS, you don’t play against people with CT who don’t have Tsubaki and Hazama. You still play CT, not “CS with shit missing my opponent has” The core issue is people who spent $48 having a competitive advantage against people who spent $40 on the same software, on the same servers, in the same match. You can only play “CS without DLC”-you know, the game they want you to buy and have been trying to convince people to for months-fairly until August 5th, after that it’s freemium without the free.
It’s flatly annoying just on the basis the CT cast never clicked for me, and this is the first new CS character that does anything for me based on the handful of attack frames we’ve seen . Why can’t I have her for free and Mu as optional DLC if they’re going to go that route (fuck you story mode)? :looney:
The only reason i’m even interested in this game again is because makoto and v 12 or u 12 or whatever interested me, hopefully they’ll both be playable.
I knew Makoto looked kinda familiar. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/WolfPupTK/MakotoFighter.jpg lulz
Also, Ragna…http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2010/105/937883_20100414_790screen005.jpg
Anyway, Makoto’s gameplay looks like it could be fun. I like tonfas…and some tail(pun intended):3
You guys are surprising a lot more acceptable of Makoto’s design being the skanky squirrel girl and all. People over at Dustloop have like 50+ pages of salt about revealing her attire and tail…but for once the people of SRK are arguing about something worthwhile. Which is DLC. It seems to be a pretty touchy subject with people.
Well, the Dustloop community fell apart pretty quick when Makoto was announced. Now they have deal with controversial designs. We Arcana Heart fans had to deal with 3 dog girls, a 5yr old, and almost a whole cast of girls that are under 18. They need to just deal with it. lol
How is it not optional? People who buy Makoto will probably have an advantage for all of about a day. It’s like bitching about arcade players who bought the arcade cabnet before you could get the game on console
And another thing: Blazblue: CS is a FULL COMPLETE GAME already. Yes, even without Makoto. I don’t understand the logic that says “We shouldn’t have to pay for extra content.” It takes time and money to create a working character. And yes regardless of whether Makoto is done, we’d still be looking at another 6 months to a year of development hell because the other DLC character aren’t done yet.
But even then, why should we get her for free? ASW is doing us a service. Why shouldn’t we pay for that service?
I’m honestly baffle by this DLC debate. Asrksy doesn’t owe us anything, their a company first and before customer service is profit, service cant even be done unless they have some money.
Other genre are doing this and Fighters should be no exception. If your not interested in the other content than don’t buy it, but be aware that you’ll exposed regardless.