Ive been using the same one for like 5 years :karate:
My biggest gripe with the LS-56 was loud switches so a silent version is understandable. I just don’t think its enough to make me go back to Seimitsu after using a Hayabusa. Maybe for the silent stick I plan on building to use at work (they underestimate my sneakiness). It will certainly be better than a JLF. The bottom line on LS-60 is that it isn’t anything new. Just the same old thing with a small tweak. Zzzzzzzzzz.
There are shaft extensions that could fix mounting issues with LS-40. I came upon them on eBay just recently (giggity). Is this something that is well known and I’m just late to the party?
Can confirm, found one in a Capcom Pro Fighter (SNES).
The whole shaft length issue existed only for people who had the non-universal HRAP 3’s (which also included the HRAP-lite variants that had game tie-in’s and anime style art; ie, joysticks like the Arcana Heart 2 joystick). Those were the HRAP 3’s where you technically weren’t supposed to remove the JLF and replace it with a Seimitsu joystick.
Honestly, you could use an LS-joystick with the vanilla HRAP 3. It’s just that you were limited to the LS-56 or LS-58 using either the VF Mounting Plate or the MS Mounting Plate if you didn’t want to do faceplate mods.
IF you wanted to use an LS-32 or LS-40 with the old non-universal HRAP’s (HRAP 1 rev B, HRAP 3’s; all HRAP 2’s were universal MP’s), you had to either remove the original HRAP 3 mounting bracket or do a serious mod of the LS joystick body to get it to fit!
The other options you had were shaft extensions (which I still have two of) and total shaft replacements. There were at least 3 parts dealers who had shaft extensions available back then. The other option besides getting the extension was getting a longer shaft from Paradise Arcade Shop and a few other places. Shaft extensions have pretty much gone the way of the Dodo bird and are very difficult to find now. Longer shafts still exist now primarily for arcade cabinets. Most of these are now drilled/hollow to allow LED’s to be used in balltop handles.
I tried the shaft extension on the HRAP 3 I own and I didn’t like it very much. I felt it upset the feel of the LS-40/LS-32. If you’re used to the original/short length shaft, it does take re-adjustment. I’m personally not crazy about talk of extending the LS-40 shaft length and using that for a new stick basis… The SS Mounting Plate takes care of the shaft length issue of the LS-32/LS-40 at any rate.
The shaft extensions I have are 12-15mm. The impact on length is tremendous! I had an LS-40 mounted in the HRAP 3 (where I currently have an LS-58 installed) and I felt it was TOO LONG with the shaft extension.
FYI,
The SRK frontpage article has an error or two in it.
You could NEVER order shaft covers from Seimitsu before for the LS-32. These are brand new parts they’re introducing later this year. (Too little, too late for me!)
Before, you had to buy the JLF-style shaftcover kits and mod those on your own time. (OR, otherwise go to a hardware store, MAYBE find the right shaft diameter PVC piping, and mod that. It’s easier and less expensive to buy the JLF-CD kits. More color options, too. PVC pipe is pretty much all off-white.) In 2009, you were limited to the black-only (back then!) JLF-CD kits. Within a year or two, Mad Catz had colored shaft kits from its Gameshark website and a year after that, Qanba also had its own JLF shaft kits, too.
In 2012, Sanwa finally introduced alternate color transparent shaft kits and that’s what I’ve been using for a while now to refit new-buy LS-32’s. Probably won’t bother anymore if I shift new-buy joystick levers to the Hayabusa.
Seimitsu’s preaching to a crowd that probably isn’t there with the new announcements.
It’s been a collective “Yawn” if you’re more aware of the history with these parts…
what’s so great about the hayabusa anyway, It’s Hori. I also find the LS-40 to be a better stick in every way than the LS-32.
I agree with you on the silent ls-56. I love that stick but it’s too damn loud lol. Did a zippy mod but it just didn’t feel right. I would love a silent ls-56
To me the stock hayabusa felt\sounded like a slightly larger throw ls-56 to me (square gate)
Can’t answer what’s so great about it with moon’s mod though. parts on order to find out =)
@GeorgeC if you try to mount a LS-40 in a MadCatz (standard mounting) with a flat plate like a JLF or LS-56, it will still mount about 2 or 3 mm too short. I guess that’s why you get the S plate, but, if you were to mount to proper height on a wood panel you’d still have problems since it’s still over all shorter from the plate to the tip of the shaft than a JLF or any other stick on the market.
I never had a problem with the shortness of the LS-32 or LS-40…
Then again, I don’t use anything the SS MP to mount those joysticks in the TE and HRAP’s that are universal.
You obviously haven’t played with a Hayabusa for any length of time to able to judge.
Your post stinks of “sour grapes.”
I know this is the Year of the Horse but some comments on the H-stick by some of you guys that obviously haven’t played with one make me think it’s the Year of the Crabapple…!
you didn’t have to call him out like that.
Like most people here, he was probably just curious, not everyone has the luxury to try out stuff on day one. let alone spend blindly on items like these. And with Hori’s track record and history (and inconsistencies themselves as a company) there is viable reason to be wary or doubt the product. This is not an issue of whether they have tried it extensively or not, most are just curious if it is a worthy purchase.
no matter how long and excessively informative the impressions and reviews are, doesn’t matter from whom, yours, moonchilde’s, darksakuls, jdm’s, heck even markman’s, a lot of players will still question things until they try out stuff for themselves, not everyone will be convinced to buy something outright just because some guy, reputable or not, on the internet says its good. you’re still gonna be spending money, and this in general is something wise people just don’t do unless necessary or have enough confidence with an item or product.
the best we can do is make very detailed information accessible, with good concise data that everyone will be able to understand and grasp. as accurate as we can, as precise as our own home tools can. so that others can decide for themselves in a most unbiased way as possible.
all of us are thankful that there are people willing to go the extra mile and document, make write-ups, take pictures and even modify items. this is good, it helps people, especially fellow modders. Solid information and creative ideas is what makes this community strong. yes, we cannot help our own subjectivity to spill out. but i think its best not to be adamant towards people not fully agreeing with personal opinion or tastes.
as for this thread, what i was afraid is sort of happening. there is no data yet on what these new Seimitsu joysticks are gonna be like, notably the LS-60. It’s good that everyone is enthusiastic about joystick tech. but let’s not get carried away. none of us knows how to run a small japanese amusement parts company.
Without getting too personal,
I think I called him right on that.
Sorry but I shoot fairly straight… I did tone it down quite a bit but this really sounded like a guy who hadn’t used the product.
I’ve been around long enough to tell when people are just talking out their rear ends. There’s a lot of trash talking on the game threads… Do we really have to have that pop up in Tech Talk, too?
Most people here have maybe 1-2 joysticks.
Most people on SRK have only played with JLF joysticks because that’s what’s in their Mad Catz and Hori joystick cases. For whatever reasons – time, money, worries about hardware breaking during tournaments --, most people never actually experiment and try other control levers. They stick with JLF only.
I certainly haven’t played with ALL the control levers out there – and frankly I don’t want to(!) – but I have played with the JLF and half the LS-joysticks enough to know what I’m talking about when I compare those to the Hayabusa.
I’m sorry, but there’s no contest where the build quality is concerned. Hori’s got that one. The Hayabusa definitely seems better-built than the JLF and the LS-joysticks.
Performance is still very subjective, very personal. I’ve said a million times that I don’t care for what the JLF offers. I stuck with that through over a year… I found it much easier to pick up and play with the LS-32 and later picked up a few LS-40’s and an LS-58.
Short story: I ordered and received my Hayabusa last week… As far as I’m concerned, it performed at least as well as the LS-32 and LS-40 but also more consistently over extended times. There are definitely build issues in the LS-32 and LS-40 that can affect gameplay. I wouldn’t throw away all that I bought the past few years but I’d seriously consider buying Hayabusa’s from now on out as the favored replacement control lever or for new-build joysticks.
IF somebody wants to stick to the JLF or LS-joysticks after playing with a Hayabusa, be my guest. Just don’t trash hardware you haven’t actually played with. Be honest and speak with integrity – don’t post B.S. because you don’t own the hardware and are jealous of people that do! <= That’s little kid stuff… I personally HATE console fanboyness and this business of uncritical hardware bashing without giving solid reasons is as bad.
With a reported inital production of something like 600 Fighting Edge units for the US, it becomes a lot more obvious why there’s been little reporting on the Hayabusa and the Kuro’s. There just weren’t a lot of people using them, period, and most of the owners were not inclined to break their Fighting Edge joysticks down and actually compare with the JLF and LS-joysticks. 3-4 of us on the Hayabusa Unboxing thread probably posted and shared more information in less than a week after the separate Hayabusa release than had been reported by the Fighting Edge reviewers and owners over the past 18 months!
Anybody who has read my past posts on Seimitsu products knows that as critical as I am of some of their products knows that I also like what I own of Seimitsu’s hardware.
What I don’t care for is repackaging of old product with no genuine improvement.
Hori threw down the gauntlet with the Fighting Edge parts… It’s unfortunate that it’s taken a separate release of those parts eighteen months after the Fighting Edge release(!) for more people to see what they actually accomplished.
Regardless of whether 1,000 or fewer people actually buy the parts now – and somehow I doubt it’ll be that few; I think it’ll still be more but probably not anything like 10,000 people --, fact is they produced contenders that Sanwa and Seimitsu ought to take seriously.
I still don’t really know about the Kuro so much but do believe the Hayabusa’s going to do well.
I honestly don’t think Seimitsu’s seeing the picture here yet… They have quite a bit to lose if they don’t change some of their practices and become a bit more flexible.
There are already a few arcades in Japan, btw, that ARE using the Kuro buttons and Hayabusas in arcade cabinets.
The question was just a bit unnecessary. “What’s so great about the Hayabusa” is covered extensively in relatively fresh threads that are easily located without even needing to use the search tool. No need to tear the guy a new one though. He wasn’t talking down on something he hasn’t used. He was expressing disbelief over a Hori joystick lever being good. Rightfully so. Their track record isn’t great in that area.
I’m not overly excited about this new Seimitsu lever. Unless it ends up being a game changer I probably won’t get one. I’ll let others do the research and see how it goes.
The next lever that I plan on getting is the low-pro one from PAS. I have been patiently waiting for this lever as it is promised to have the shallowest install depth of any production lever. I have a devil case (FS3) that I have planned to use it in.
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I’m also keeping a JLF around for the release of Project Magenta down the road. Very excite. I believe the kickstarter for this is coming soon.
my ls-32-01/02’s are still working and i’ve used them extensively for years. i’ve noticed plastic shavings or dust from the crappy plastic gates but they never got into the microswitches or have caused any consistency issues for me personally.
on topic, i’m kinda disappointed that these are the “new” sticks from seimitsu. i was expecting something like the hayabusa or something completely new. oh well.
I feel like one week worth of play isn’t enough time for anyone to make claims about how good something is. A first impression yes. I’ve talked to ppl that played on stick a and said it was good until they switched to stick b and said its way better. Then 6 months later they are back on stick a for whatever reason. I don’t own a hstick but quality build looks better. But I’ve never had any issues with my stick quality wise. Were not building houses out of these sticks. 90% of these threads on here are the same things being asked on subjects that are old as hell or has documented info that is proven. The hstick is new, sure he could’ve searched alittle more but like I said, so could everyone else.
As said before, hori joysticks have been crap in the past. But I do agree with him that the ls40 is superior to the ls32. But I play a lot of pre 03 kof and snk fighters
Doubters gonna doubt. This is a new breed of Hori joystick. Too much Busa talk in this thread. LoL.
I agree, I was tempted to Flag GeorgeC’s post there. There too much bias there even from me.
That was harsh even for me.
And I can say the same about you lately.
Are you threatened that someone might be skeptical with a Hori made part. Before the Hayabusa and Kuro Hori made some really terrible parts, and there stick models had inconsistent build qualities.
It was a while before I wanted to use anything but a JLF (I originally hated Seimitsu joysticks), it was not before I wanted to restore a Sega HSS-0136 that I even tried a Seimtitsu joystick. Now I am systematically getting rid of my JLFs. But that all still boils down to personal preference. There going to be some people that tries the Hayabusa and think its garbage and go back to their JLF.
The fact is that people at this early stage of the game already modding there Hayabusa means one of two things, they are either people what have to tinker or maybe the Hayabusa does not deserve all the hype it is getting.
I only mod my Hayabusa because I like levered switches over pins. I also always shorten throw, always, no matter the stick unless it’s already a no throw stick. That’s just me, stock Hayabusa is still good though.
Anyway, enough Busa talk! This is Seimitsu’s new stick thread so lets all move on from Hayabusa.
Any pics how the new LS-60 will look?
It’s a LS-58 base so probably like a LS-58 