This is a very scientific set of instructions for testing HDTV’s. It’s pretty equipment-intensive, but its results are inarguable.
I’d recommend a method that NKI used for his ST-DC lag test. The High def version would be to get two of the same systems, with the exact same running. Except one would be connected to an HDTV via HDMI, and the other would be connected to a CRT via composite. Then, have either one controller connected to both of them, or two controllers connected to them individually, but have a single button shared by the two controllers. Record the two screens side by side as the button is being pressed. The only thing I would argue not to do, would be to try and break it down frame by frame. Just simply record them, and maybe slow the video down to show where the two might differ in terms of lag/position.
I only said that I’ve heard that it can output 2 feeds at once, not how its done. though I’ve also heard of trimming the sides of the HDMI plug so maybe that has something to do with it.
I purchased an LCD TV solely for gaming in December and did extensive research before coming to a conclusion. I did a lot of research online as well as tested many TVs in-store and at friend’s houses before finding the ideal one. All of the online articles I read came to the conclusion that LG LCD TVs generally had the least amount of lag, and I also found this to be true through my own research.
I have the 26 inch LG 26LG30 and it has no noticeable lag on any console I have used with it (Xbox 360, PS3, PC, PS2, Dreamcast). I have played games such as SF4, SF2THDR, and MvC2 on it and none of them have had any lag. Also, I can play any Guitar Hero or Rock Band game on any console without changing the lag calibration settings.
Here is the exact model I have: http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_lcd%20flat%20panel__26LG30.jhtml
Just some quick specs: 26", 720p, Dual HDMI, 5000:1 contrast.
The site lists the MSRP as $649.95, but you can easily find it for under $600 now (I paid $550 before tax).
Not to be insulting or anything, but after reading about the whole HDTV lag issue for quite some time, it’s far more likely that you don’t notice lag than that there is none. The difference between 2ms and 9ms may be undetectable to you (or most people), but it is significant.
If you use hdmi, why would there be any lag in the first place?
tv’s still have post processing, it has nothing to do with using an hdmi cable. the primary thing is having the source matching the tv’s native resolution so there is no upscaling. thats the first step into reducing lag on every tv. unfortunately theres this bastard thing called “post-processing.” Its basically something that the tv does to make the image on screen look as nice as possible, via filters and other assorted garbage. some brands and their various models all use different post processing techniques and hardware to do this. But post processing takes “time” to do such a thing, which will result in input(video) lag, that you CANNOT avoid.
Some tv’s have that infamous “game mode” feature. What that does, is to try to minimize the post processing lag by not delivering as nice of a picture. Unfortunately, most of the time, this only rids of some/most of the lag. There arent many tv’s out there that can damn near eliminate it entirely.
So basically, you got to do a ton of research and testing to find out which ones have the fastest post processing. Usually cheapo brands do pretty well since they dont have any fancy things going on(not always true tho).
ts: 9ms lag is barely over 1/2 frame lag. IIRC, 16ms is 1 frame. even old crt tv’s have a couple ms lag, i believe. but you are right, its so minimal that people will not be able to feel it, even tho its there.
because Most Tvs process the image to look better. which is great for watching a movie but horrible for playing games. and most lower end models of Tvs still suck when it comes to disabling some features like post processing or image enhancing things. thats why computer monitors work better for playing games.
sabre beat me to it…
what about evo using CRT HDTVs? they are going down in price now arnt they? and they do have very low lag.
Id most definitely have to recommend this TV…
5ms refresh low price good model.
New – 30,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio: up from 15,000:1 on 2007 models (15,000 on 32-inch and 37-inch models) (Learn more)
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i doubt it has 5ms delay… its probably in the 35-50ms range.
then they you just boot the bitch back to them but im pretty sure that model was the one seen in the youtube vid where the guy tested out a few games for lag ie 3s and rhythm mania
edit:
oops wrong tv heres the youtube vid for the 42"sharp aquos
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model is LC-42D64U
about 1200
no commercial brand TV will have that low of a delay.
Well if you dont agree im not seeing you do much else helpful I corrected my self provided a link to a vid that test the sharp aquos out and provided a link of where to buy If you dont care to help out the thread why shit on other peoples recommendations?
5ms response time isn’t the same as video lag. response time is the time it takes when the tv finally decides to display the picture how long it takes for it to go black to black or grey to grey.
That has nothing to do with deinterlacing, scaling, and post processing which are the main sources of lag in HDTV videogame play.
What are inside of the Viewlix cabinets? Is that a TV or a type of computer monitor? Since it is used in an official game cabinet would it be a good choice to look into.
i have the same TV. it has like 25ms in gamemode. what you are talking about is response time.
aquos Tvs have the BEST gamemodes in any tv i have ever seen. and they have the best picture for price.
its black to white or white to black :wgrin:
and yes you are right
its just a really expensive computer monitor… i think somebody posted it in TT somewhere but its like a $2000 monitor. it would just be better to get a viewsonic or something like that.
Word, but if the tv goes to 720p, and so does the console through hdmi, why would there be any problems? Seems like there would be nothing to upscale and help reduce lag. Turn off any crazy viewing modes and you should be OK.
I have a plasma, so I can see where LCDs would present a problem. Probably best to head to a best buy and get at these monitors hardbody.
but no matter what the image signal coming from that HDMI cable still is processed by the TV to make it look better, which is where the lag comes from. also plasma tvs that ive seen have fairly bad lag… way worse than lcds.
Because no matter what the medium is, the tv will continue to put on these filters to enhance the image. You also cannot turn off these filters by any accessible means.
ASUS VH226H
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051
i recommend this, they are supposed to be the super ballers of the small HD monitors.
just make sure it supports what you guys want them to do. im like 99% sure they are less than a frame in lag(5ms and under)
will anybody who owns this monitor hook us up with a rb2 test!