Posting it again here for more visibility.
Necalli changes:
Not as harsh as I thought they would be. I was hoping they would give him something to make him a little more exciting to play though
Supposedly st.mk links after St.mp from other reports
That would actually be really nice
st.MP always linked into st.MK on CH and crouchers. So are you saying this can (supposedly) be done on standing opponents now? For clarification.
Just checked, s.MP combos into s.MK on regular hit (outside VT). Just need to be close enough so the s.MK doesn’t whiff (more of a corner problem).
Apparently you can also now charge his df.HP overhead in VT; fully charged on hit this combos into c.HP. It’s about a 1 second charge.
Long list, but thorough. Here are the Season 2 Changes:
NECALLI
Hurtbox (Normal and V-trigger versions):
Adjusted hurtbox when changing direction while standing and crouching
Soul Sealer (Forward Throw) (Normal and V-Trigger versions):
Increased recovery on-hit by 6F
Reduced damage on normal version 120 to 100
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 130 to 110
Reduced stun 170 to 120
Reduced stun on V-Trigger version 200 to 150
Reduced CA meter gain
Soul Discriminator (Back Throw) (Normal and V-Trigger versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 120 to 100
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 130 to 110
Reduced stun 170 to 120
Reduced stun on V-Tigger version 200 to 150
Reduced CA meter gain
Standing LP (Normal and V-trigger versions):
Increased horizontal knockback distance against airborne opponents
Added hurtbox around his feet during the 3F following the active frames
Decreased size of the hitbox in upwards direction
Standing MP (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Advantage on-block changed from +2F to ±0F
Hit pushback distance reduced
Block pushback distance reduced with hit pushback
Standing MK (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Increased active frames from 2F to 3F
Standing HK (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Added hurtbox around his back during 11F～36F of the attack motion
Increased size of hurtbox around his leg forward during the 4F following the active frames
Crouching LP (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Increased active frames from 2F to 3F
Crouching MK (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Decreased size of hitbox in upwards direction
Increased size of hitbox in downwards direction
Crouching HK (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage 100 to 90
Jump MK (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced size of hitbox in downward direction slightly
Jump HP (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed startup from 7F to 9F
V- Reversal:
Changed startup from 16F to 17F
Changed distance and recovery on-hit
Changed hit and projectile invincibility frames from 1F～16F to 1F～30F
Opening Dagger (Normal version):
Changed advantage on-block from -4F to -6F
Opening Dagger (V-Trigger version):
You can now charge by holding HP
LP Mask of Tlalli (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed command from【→↘↓↙←+LP】 to 【→↘↓↙←+LK 】
Increased damage on normal version 120 to 130
Increased damaged on V-Trigger version 130 to 150
Increased CA meter gain on whiff and hit
MP Mask of Tlalli (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed command from【→↘↓↙←+MP】 to 【→↘↓↙←+MK】
Increased damage on normal version 130 to 140
Increased damaged on V-Trigger version 140 to 160
Increased CA meter gain on whiff and hit
HP Mask of Tlalli (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed command from【→↘↓↙←+HP】 to 【→↘↓↙←+HK】
Increased damage on normal version 140 to 150
Increased damaged on V-Trigger version 150 to 170
Increased CA meter gain on whiff and hit
EX Mask of Tlalli (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed command from【→↘↓↙←+PP】 to 【→↘↓↙←+KK】
LK Valiant Rebellion (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 60 to 50
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 80 to 70
Increased CA meter gain on-hit
Changed to a hit attack with projectile durability
MK Valiant Rebellion (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 70 to 60
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 90 to 80
Increased CA meter gain on-hit
Changed to a hit attack with projectile durability
HK Valiant Rebellion (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 100 to 80
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 120 to 100
Reduced stun 200 to 150
Increased CA meter gain on-hit
Changed to a hit attack with projectile durability
Reduced horizontal knockback distance on-hit
EX Valiant Rebellion (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed to a hit attack with projectile durability
LP The Disc’s Guidance (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 90 to 80
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 110 to 100
Increased CA meter gain on whiff, hit and block
Changed advantage of V-Trigger version on-block from -6F to -4F
MP The Disc’s Guidance (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 110 to 100
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 130 to 120
Increased CA meter gain on whiff, hit and block
Changed advantage of V-Trigger version on-block from -6F to -4F
HP The Disc’s Guidance (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 130 to 120
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 150 to 140
Increased CA meter gain on whiff, hit and block
Changed advantage of V-Trigger version on-block from -6F to -4F
EX The Disc’s Guidance (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 160 to 150
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 180 to 170
LP Raging Light (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Increased damage on normal version 80 to 100
Increased damage on V-Trigger version 100 to 120
Changed Invincibility on 1F～3F which included invincibility around his feet and throw
invincibility, to 1F～3F of throw invincibility only
Added hurtbox to match visual
MP Raging Light (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Increased damage on normal version 100 to 110
Increased damage on V-Trigger version 120 to 130
Changed 7F～12F full invincibility to 1F～7F invincibility around his feet/8F～12F added
hurtbox
HP Raging Light (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Changed (1F～7F full invincibility /hurtbox from 8F on) to to (1F～2F hurtbox added /3F～8F
hit and projectile invincibility)
EX Raging Light (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Increased juggle potential in-air combos for the first hit
Ceremony of Honor/Soul Offering (Normal and V-Trigger Versions):
Reduced damage on normal version 340 to 330
Reduced damage on V-Trigger version 380 to 370
Discuss.
I feel like his general game plan is the same.
Yeah, Necalli got out with some damage nerfs which I think will be fairly inconsequential and the DP nerf. Losing st.mp’s advantage on block doesn’t mean much as you generally did st.mk anyways as it was a tighter frame trap after a meaty st.lk. Really the only big gameplan changes are spending meter to wake up and only anti-airing with HP/EX DP. The charged overhead sounds kind of useless so it’s pretty much 100% nerfs (harder to punish VT Slash I suppose if for some reason you use it outside of a combo) but they’re not really important nerfs.
I’m definitely going to experiment with the overhead. I kinda wish they let him cancel the startup though
The way I see these nerfs are as such:
-General damage decrease. Which is whatever, they didn’t wreck his output too bad.
-RIP Anti-air jab, get good at your DP’s people
-st.MK is just a better button now with more active frames
-Jumping HP has 2 frames more startup, will have to feel what thats like
-jump MK should be more consistent now
-less damage, but more meter gain!
As for the -4 VT Slash, it just means you can space it well for anti projectile properties better without being so free afterwards.
Business continues as usual here.
You got those backwards. j.hp is slower and j.mk has a smaller hitbox.
Wait… Am I screwing something up? I can’t do any meaties after LP disc
Edit: Seems like I am
After a quick rise? It’s just you, I can whiff a whole st.lk through their body. Dash, walk 5f, press button.
2f more startup = slower
smaller hitbox means that it will visually be consistent with the animation/sprite and you won’t have situations where you hit it early and can’t follow up or combo (happens sometimes)
Command grab damage buffs across the board? I like.
It’s gonna be a while before I get used to command grab with kicks lol.
My bad, I’m tired. But the latter is not an issue I’ve ever had with j.mk; the bigger hitbox lets you do much more scummy crossups or fake crossups, so it’s a small nerf.
God yes. My big worry is when I do a dash up meaty st.lk I tend to move to start charging which I worry might trigger it.
I think the charged overhead will be useful in the corner. Maybe some nice meaty setups.
I’m wondering why they bothered to change the command grab input to kicks?
Overlap between dp and command grab i’m assuming. Sometimes if the opponent crosses me up, I’d get command grab instead of DP or vice versa.