Necalli General Thread: Necalli enters the Tournament!

[xXUltimacloudXx]

dunno how to delete posts here >.<

[xXUltimacloudXx]

ya true I wasnt trying to say it was new but in sf5 only certain characters can do this.

Only certain characters can do…what?

Buffering normals into specials, supers or whatever, is like ancient fighting game “tech”, every character can do that…

sigh everyone is saying the same thing but its not really true per sfv ryu cannot do cr lp buffer into hadoken into Critical Art. R mika cant do sht from cr lp other than butt splash. necalli cannot do cr lp into lk stomp into CA. there are many characters that cannot do this. because if u recall capcom took out some of the characters lights into cancels.

[RagingStormX]

Actually Mika can combo into CA from c.lp or EX Peach also, Necalli can s.lp xx DP or LK/EX Stomp xx CA

[Ralenzo]

Only certain characters can do…what?

Buffering normals into specials, supers or whatever, is like ancient fighting game “tech”, every character can do that…

sigh everyone is saying the same thing but its not really true per sfv ryu cannot do cr lp buffer into hadoken into Critical Art. R mika cant do sht from cr lp other than butt splash. necalli cannot do cr lp into lk stomp into CA. there are many characters that cannot do this. because if u recall capcom took out some of the characters lights into cancels.

I’m assuming you’re still new to fighting games?
Every normal that is cancelable is also buffereable for a set amount of frames. So u can throw out a cancelable normal and buffer the special preemptively, if u time it right it will only come out on hit or block, but not on whiff.
This is applicable to a lot of other fighter games as well, and has been known for ages.

[xXUltimacloudXx]

Only certain characters can do…what?

Buffering normals into specials, supers or whatever, is like ancient fighting game “tech”, every character can do that…

sigh everyone is saying the same thing but its not really true per sfv ryu cannot do cr lp buffer into hadoken into Critical Art. R mika cant do sht from cr lp other than butt splash. necalli cannot do cr lp into lk stomp into CA. there are many characters that cannot do this. because if u recall capcom took out some of the characters lights into cancels.

I’m assuming you’re still new to fighting games?
Every normal that is cancelable is also buffereable for a set amount of frames. So u can throw out a cancelable normal and buffer the special preemptively, if u time it right it will only come out on hit or block, but not on whiff.
This is applicable to a lot of other fighter games as well, and has been known for ages.

Naw not new at all honestly… I know what a buffer is no worries. I just have not really seen many players abuse it from lights in sf v specifically.

[xXUltimacloudXx]

also I have a much better more relevant video coming anyhow. I am going to be working on it today. Maybe Ill get it out today though i doubt it as going through the cast is going to be a bch

[Ralenzo]

Naw not new at all honestly… I know what a buffer is no worries. I just have not really seen many players abuse it from lights in sf v specifically.

Oh ok, It wasn’t obvious what u had discovered with all that editing of yours, and based on what some people had been replying it seemed like u just found out what buffering was, my bad.
Buffering lights into specials is generally not that useful since they’re very limited in terms of combos and also deal little damage. Buffering from a medium or heavy is almost always a better option.

[xXUltimacloudXx]

Naw not new at all honestly… I know what a buffer is no worries. I just have not really seen many players abuse it from lights in sf v specifically.

Oh ok, It wasn’t obvious what u had discovered with all that editing of yours, and based on what some people had been replying it seemed like u just found out what buffering was, my bad.
Buffering lights into specials is generally not that useful since they’re very limited in terms of combos and also deal little damage. Buffering from a medium or heavy is almost always a better option.

Yep but its very useful in this game and very safe and if you have CA you get 40% of their max hp to their sweep. Its not the same with all characters tho so im unsure about certain characters. But with nash vs ryu its totally worth using as 1 connection is 40% and ryu only has sweep and CA to retaliate.

[Mnszyk]

Hello guys, I’ve released a vid about some Necalli stuff I still havent seen covered, like a buffer on the command throw input that extends it’s range a bit and some other useful tips…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9el-hKMU3bs

u should have not done this… Combofiend is watching this forum closely… so he know what to nerf next :bawling:

TO be honest the buffer window is so short and the input so tight that it doesnt deserve a nerf IMHO.
It is very useful but noneless situational.
On other chars like Birdie and Laura it may have a much bigger inpact.

There’s nothing to nerf, it’s just a clever way of inputting the move. Every character can do stuff like this, it’s just particularly useful for getting around the circle-back part of the input.

It’s no different from doing a DP shortcut, or a 360 shortcut.

[Muttonman]

The real benefit is that you get to do the throw 4fs faster because you can do the HCB before the walk forward.

[otori]

The real benefit is that you get to do the throw 4fs faster because you can do the HCB before the walk forward.

Nvm now I get what you’re saying

[Muttonman]

The real benefit is that you get to do the throw 4fs faster because you can do the HCB before the walk forward.

It doesn’t work like that at all

You need to walk forward 2f in order to get in range to throw the guy. In a world with no buffer you’d hold 6 for 2f then hit 3 2 1 4P for 1f each. In a world with a buffer you hit 63214 during recovery and then press 6, hold for one frame and hit P. That’s coming out 4f faster than the bufferless world.

How is this incorrect?

[RagingStormX]

The real benefit is that you get to do the throw 4fs faster because you can do the HCB before the walk forward.

It doesn’t work like that at all

You need to walk forward 2f in order to get in range to throw the guy. In a world with no buffer you’d hold 6 for 2f then hit 3 2 1 4P for 1f each. In a world with a buffer you hit 63214 during recovery and then press 6, hold for one frame and hit P. That’s coming out 4f faster than the bufferless world.

How is this incorrect?

Desk can do Hakan standing 720 in 5 frames so anything is possible lol

[Muttonman]

The real benefit is that you get to do the throw 4fs faster because you can do the HCB before the walk forward.

It doesn’t work like that at all

You need to walk forward 2f in order to get in range to throw the guy. In a world with no buffer you’d hold 6 for 2f then hit 3 2 1 4P for 1f each. In a world with a buffer you hit 63214 during recovery and then press 6, hold for one frame and hit P. That’s coming out 4f faster than the bufferless world.

How is this incorrect?

Desk can do Hakan standing 720 in 5 frames so anything is possible lol

That’s frame perfect I think; 6248 (6)(2)(4)(8P) with the () being prejump frame moves, so it comes out on your 5th prejump frame.

Man’s got the magic hands

[Korbidon]

There’s no way you can do that anything but a keyboard, right?

[johnson.carl96]

There’s no way you can do that anything but a keyboard, right?

5 frame 720s or buffering Necalli’s Command Grab?

[J_ism]

Idk if anyone has posted this before, but I found something funny using my “evaluation copy:” if you reset the opponent of an EX command grab with st.MK, depending on how early/late you can reset them you can go for an ambiguous setup with j.MK. you can even get the j.MK to hit crossup and you land in front.

I’m using beta 2 though so I’ve no clue if it will work with the current chars

[J_ism]

There’s no way you can do that anything but a keyboard, right?

A 3S player named Hayao was known to do standing 720s

(About 1:50 in the vid)

[Angerus]

Doesn’t Hugo’s superjump have more prejump frames, though?

[noosetester]

There’s no way you can do that anything but a keyboard, right?

A 3S player named Hayao was known to do standing 720s

http://youtu.be/dNURn039iQc

(About 1:50 in the vid)

Whiff punish ex headbutt with standing 720 is the hypest shit i ever saw