Although the tried and true “If you don’t like the game then make your own” is very reasonable and a realistic solution to the problem, it doesn’t quite resonate with me. And while there was no “clamoring” to have x factor removed, my point is the game would be better without it (My viewpoint on it, and I’m definitely not the only one). I think it’s silly to argue that the game is better with x factor in, but If you like X Factor and would rather the game have it, although I disagree that’s your opinion and I’m sure you have your reasons.
Personally, I think with or without x factor the game would have gotten to the point of “first touch usually wins” but I think it would have taken a bit longer, with a good amount of more effort required to pull it off without. The only thing I don’t like about DHC glitch is what you mentioned, the effect it has on team composition.
But yea mostly it’s interesting to me the way the two communities (shooting/fighting) think regarding removing or changing elements of gameplay. It takes a special type of person to stick to fighting games competitively for a long time, there is a whole lot of BS to deal with and you pretty much have to take it, and want to take it to learn how to deal with it and overcome it.
That’s because back in the arcade days, you didn’t have a choice but to learn how to deal with it if you wanted to play.
Competitive FPS started with Counter-strike, which in and of ITSELF was an unofficial mod of a game, so yeah, I guess shooter fans have been making their own games/rulesets from the beginning.
And Smash, is well, made for and played by giant smelly manchildren.
My money is on Corner Trap for that 3SO MM with Sofa King. No disrespect to him, just I know Will is that good.
On the subject of games getting better with each installment, it should be a slow process indeed.3S and GGXXAC are prime examples, not sure if the STF4 series is doing this right, but I think they now realize their mistake.On a different not, I wanna address the idea of being a well rounded FG competitor. Don’t be afraid to try a new game, something different. You may surprise yourself, and find a character or system that suits you well. And you can take what you learn and apply it you other games and situation that you run into.Don’t get frustrated if you can’t find a main right away, or the character you like aint working for you. Sometimes the best character for you is the one you would least expect.(^o^)/
That would be the most random godlike commentary ever. Hell we could triple team it with Demo. Token black guy commentary too strong!
As far as X factor goes, I think it was a bit strong at level 3 (it lasts too fucking long, you shouldn’t be able to easily run through 3 characters with it IMO), and some characters got too big of a boost from level 1 (Wolverine), but I believe with it being normalized and level 3 not lasting so long, it’ll be a lot more balanced. I see where they were coming from putting it in the game because of you being down 1-2 characters usually meant you were fucked in Marvel, but yeah, sometimes I feel like it adds a bit to the game while others… I just get mad it’s in there.
Haggar and Tron assists were abusive, Akuma assist was abusive, I’m glad those are getting toned down personally, lots of stuff is moving in the right direction.
I’m of a deal with it mindset too but at the same time we’re in the day and age where stuff can be changed with player input so it is good to analyze what can be changed and what adds to the game. Just take stuff as it comes really, and when the new patch comes out, be happy for it, but don’t sit around waiting for it.
X-Factor lasted too long, and the bonuses weren’t fairly distributed.
There was absolutely no reason that somebody like Akuma should get over 200% XF3 Strength bonus AND the Speed that he gets. There was absolutely no reason that Wolverine at XF1 should have got the strength and speed bonus he gets considering he has Berserker charge.
There was no reason for X-Factor to last as long it does in the first place.
I don’t have a problem with X-Factor as a concept, even as a comeback mechanic, just the length and degree of the bonuses that most characters get. They fixed those issues a bit (I think they should have shortened the duration more than they actually did though) in Ultimate, and I think X-Factor does add strategy to the game as it increases options (roman cancels, or even using it defensively to avoid chip deaths or heal redlife).
So this is what it means when they said they were “normalising” or whatever xfactor for all the characters. Never having played much it’s interesting to learn that some characters could take advantage of a universal mechanic better than others.
It’s got nothing to do with my opinion or your own on XF. We don’t make the games; we play them. If you think XF is bad for the game, then you can speak to Capcom with your wallet and not buy Ultimate. My point is that the people who were consistently vocal about its removal were never, EVER found at or near the top of tournament results, which implies that they don’t know nearly as much about the game as those that were. Meanwhile, the top players were playing the game that they were given and getting paid.
Maybe, but even fewer characters could do it, and that would have a far bigger effect on team composition than DHC glitch ever did. You would basically be required to have a DHC kill order in place…or play Phoenix.
Well, if you don’t respect a game, you’re not going to put the effort into it.
Voting with your wallet has never been easier- especially coming up with all the great non-Capcom games coming out.
SC5 has potential, VF will be awesome, KOF will do well among the tourney crowd, BB is still there , Tekken Tag will do well. That’s not even mentioning Arcana.
The only folks who are really making their own game right now are the Skullgirls folks (another game I forgot to mention- I don’t think I’ll like it, but it looks really interesting and I’ll give it a shot)
XF and DHC glitch were just too strong that’s all.This time around the game will be more fun with more character verity I hope. Still don’t see why they didn’t add any new girls or at least one brotha in the game…damn.(-_-"). VF5FS is Dope I played it a lot in Japan when it came out.BB Extend is comin that’s good news…Also AH3 is a great game with cool gameplay elements. and The Persona FG, which will most likely be my main game I’m a huge SMT fan.Matter of fact gotta get back on Persona 3 right now,if you’ll excuse me…
I mean if you look at the x factor length for like… Dark Wesker, he can easily kill everyone in like 5 hits and then deal a really hard to block mixup on the incoming characters, same with Dante. If you also consider how easy it is to kill someone with the guard cancel aspect of x factor, and how long it lasts + the speed at which you mow people down, it’s VERY easy to kill an entire team without even using half your x factor. If you watch my tournament matches this almost happens routinely with Dante. I’m actually not worried even when I’m down to one characters because I know it doesn’t matter as long as I have Dante and you’re willing to press buttons. I don’t think you should be in such a favorable position for losing, IMO it would have been better if it vanished after killing 1 or 2 characters, maybe depending on the disparity between you and your opponent. I kind of wish x factor also increased defense so you could activate your own xfactor to normalize the match if you’re in that “i was winning but now I got x factored and am being raped” stuff that’s always happening. I think that’s probably why they put in aerial x factor, because not even having a chance to activate it right now before you die to mix ups on entry really sucks.
I have one spot left in my car for a ride up to Season’s Beatings. Possibly one spot in the hotel room, but not 100%. Right now my car is Me, Tom, and Nick. The hotel room is Me, Tom, Nick and DP. If Nick drops out though, I obviously have spots in the car and the room. Let me know if you’re down to go. I know I talked to James about going.
I mean I knew that would be a problem day one, as the game progresses and more and more people realize how FREE it is, it’ll happen more and more often. Seriously just let them press a button and you can kill that character.
I feel like a crotchety old man when FPS games get brought up these days. You kids with your dudebros and bulletguns. Back in my day, we got our kicks by jumping in the water with multiple opponents and firing off the lightning gun.
What’s funny about this is that Dante isn’t even a very good anchor. He has no legit mixup without assist>teleport, and he has a bitch of a time comboing off of his throws. NC is just “willing to push buttons” for some reason.
Dante’s acid rain into teleport seems to be a pretty legit mixup to me. Being able to extend combos with devil trigger, use bold cancel, and…hammer…that shit is beastly. I think he’s a pretty good anchor considering he can zone fairly well and can do really good damage. He also doesn’t have complete ass health. The range on his normals are really good as well. Just my personal opinion, but I feel he’s a solid anchor.
Edit: let’s not forget his level 3. Considering all of his other options having that at his disposal really makes him scary. Devil trigger with xf level 3 allows for some ridiculous chip damage as well with that beam(don’t know the name).
The acid mixup is only really strong on an opponent coming in after a kill (in which case it’s impossible to react to). He’s not good against people willing to run from him and airthrow the teleports. Everything else is blockable on reaction as long as you’re paying attention. Being able to get damage off of throws reliably is a requirement for a top tier anchor, and quite a few characters do that much better.
He’s not an awful anchor, no. But when up against the likes of Wesker, Magneto, Akuma, Spencer, Task, Sent, etc. he doesn’t measure up when it comes to beating EVERYTHING the opponent can do. That’s not to say Jon’s placement of him is bad, as the assist helps his team greatly and he’s not awful when left by himself. It’s just that if the opponent is willing to NOT press buttons, even XF3 Dante has a hard time breaking teams open compared to the characters listed above.