This is why I love using Pain. If you ain’t smart with Gatsuga’s and dashes, you’re getting Shinra Tensei’d. I feel so boss when I correctly predict a dash move and blast someone away. I think Kiba is crap though, maybe I haven’t been raped by one but his stuff seems avoidable.
Dunno why pain is that high though. He actually has fair recovery on his Jutsu (unlike the rasengan/chidori retards) and his ultimate isn’t the greatest but it’s got good recovery. I once played a kirin Sasuke and we activated our ultimates at the same time and I was able to block while my other body got him in Pain’s badass path combo/Jiraiya killer.
I would put Shikamaru a bit higher even though he’s not that good but that chakra dash into ultimate is some laughable shit (who else can do that? I know it’s not just him). Plus, that knj > tag bomb UNS1 tactic still seems viable. When paired with attack assists he get’s the most dumb, free attempts at ultimate all day.
almost all characters have some way of Ougi into ultimates, being a launcher combo, jutsu, assist, bounce or chakra dash.
Hidan and i think Kyuubi Rasengan Naruto can do the chakra dash into Ougi.
Pain is high tier coz of a few things:
-His jutsu is one of the best, if not THE best jutsu in the game, it stops anything in it tracks, especially the midair one which has even faster start up.
-his attacks do very solid damage, plus you can do a nice mixup with his combos after the fake Tensei as its recovery is decent and leaves time to block even if the KnJ it, eg: OOO>grab, OOO>charkra shuriken, OOO pause OOO etc.
-His tilt O move is very fast and has great startup, its easily KnJ-able if they see it coming though.
His grab is one of the best, its on par with SM Naruto’s coz he stays blocking while the other Pain do the throw, unless they KnJ out of it he’s safe, and even if they do you can do instant Shinra Tensei to punish them. His and SM Naruto’s throw are only second to the Sasori’s imo (which from my experience is the best throw in the game).
-His Ultimate has almost infinite range, and its safe on block unless theyre very close to you.
-He has the fastest Chakra shuriken in the game, they also net very good damage and can be used for pressure.
-He has the 70% glitch/combo with Hinata which is scary if you can set it up.
Shikamaru isnt that great because all his shit is easily avoidable, you dont even need to ninja jump, just keeping walking then switch directions randomly, he has no way of catching you…
plus his Combos are easily KnJ-able and he does ass damage in general, but he’s kinda slow.
He does have some nice setups and tricks, the assist>shuriken loop and the charkra dash>Ougi are his saving grace though. Without them i’d say he wouldve probably been at the bottom of the mid tier.
No, just no. Shikamaru is one of the best character in the game hands down. Seeing as how Assist Strike Back is the only way to get solid damage in this game and Shikamaru is the only one that can fully exploit it when he’s in Support Drive Mode with two A-Type Supports makes him one of the best character damage wise. Flame Tag > Strike Back > Flame Tag > Strike Back > Ougi / Jutsu is pretty much is bnb. Pair him with A-Chouji and A-Asuma and you can do it constantly after calling them 3 times each since they give you a lot Drive spheres (purple spheres) which means a faster support drive fill rate.
He can also go in the offensive. His Shadow Stiching jutsu can be canceled and combo’d at any time during his chains for an auto knockdown and pretty good damage. It can also be used on reaction to the opponent KnJing your chain since it auto-corrects itself and it’s pretty damn fast. If your opponent is not holding the block button after a KnJ’d chain, they will get tag by the Jutsu for the knockdown (unless they KnJ again, of course).
Minato is good, but not that great. Naruto is better than him, overall.
All ninja movements are punishable by chakra dashes, and in this game chakra dash > ougi. Really, you cannot ninja movement all day in this game or else you’ll get bodied.
Insta-Teleport is great - gotta admit.
Longest throw in the game is Deidara’s with his half screen grab and not-so-slow startup, lol.
Time-Space Rasengan is super slow and you can see it coming from miles away. Normal Rasengan is good, but it’s the same as Naruto, though.
His combos are indeed good, but only for the fact that he can cancel them into Rasengan everytime.
At close range, Minato wins over Naruto because he can do 1 > 2 > 3 into Rasengan while Naruto has to do 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 (for a total of 11 hits which is a lot) into Rasengan. They both auto-correct themselves and it’s both safe on block, so yeah, Minato wins the close range game. Other than that, Naruto win in every other aspect. At long range, Naruto has Fuuma shuriken while Minato have crappy three way shurikens that never fully hits. Naruto has god-like kyuubi as an awakening while Minato has a normal awakening. Also, Naruto can do [Tilt]+O into Rasengan at mid-range.
just to be clear; THERE IS NO SOLID WAY TO GET DAMAGE. everything is KnJ-able…
If you’re opponent is using a turbo controller they can literally win with barely a scratch. the only thing thats not KnJ-able in this game is the supports bounce…
but yeah like i mentioned Shika isnt that bad, but he isnt that great either.
i didnt know about the cancelling into Jutsu thing for him though so that kinda helps.
you do know all you mentioned that applies to many characters right? even the flame tag thing which Can be done with Gaara and anyone with a projectile jutsu (itachi, Kakuzu, Pain etc).
Plus you CAN KnJ out of the Flame tag, and there’s some supports than can get you out of it for free coz you’re midair which activates midair supports, Itachi and pain come to mind but I’m sure there are others as well.
the top 5 or so are on a different league from the others. it doesnt mean that the others suck, theyre simply outclassed (aside from the low tier).
Edit: For the Minato stuff:
I know all of that, i DID put SM Naruto over Minato didnt i? he’s basically a slightly worse Naruto.
you’re wrong about the ninja movement thing though, when minato does the weird time-space thing in his ninja movement, he cant be hit. I’ve tried that many many times but from what i can tell he doesnt have a hitbox when he does that.
as for the grab, its slow but it goes all screen… so its longer than Deidara’s range, which is pretty great aside from the somewhat funky hitbox.
simply readying your team super and walking up to your opponent without unleashing it is epic.
I really like the chakra dash to assist setups a lot of players online are going for now.
This game’s depth is starting to scare me.
The ONE time that you catch your opponent up close with no chakra out of ten matches brings insane rape to the table.
I’m starting to understand this game.
Of course, other characters can double Strike Back. I’m not talking about the ability to double Strike Back, I’m talking about how easy it is for Shikamaru to get it. Shikamaru’s Flame Tag comes out way faster than Gaara’s chakra sand spear which means that he can punish almost anything, [media=youtube]zEEPlduxSzE"[/media]. Itachi, Pain and other characters capable of triggering Strike Back with their jutsu can double Strike Back yes, but they will never have enough chakra to ougi afterwards like Shikamaru.
Yeah, you can avoid it with air supports. But by the time your support comes back, you will get hit by Double Strike Backs 5 times. I mean, Shikamaru has infinite amount of Flame Tags while you only have 2 supports to cover you. It’s not really proportional.
I was talking about Normal Naruto, not SM. I would’ve said ‘SM Naruto’ if I was talking about the Sage.
You’re right for the ninja movement thing. I just tried and it indeed works.
Minato’s grab doesn’t go full screen. The kunai he throws disappears at a certain distance. Deidara’s grab go farther, go test it.
hmm you might be right.
I’ll do some testing later today, but yeah i guess Shika is better than what i gave him credit for.
ooh. Well honestly I didnt get to test much with normal Naruto coz i focused on SM. Might need to go back to try stuff with him.
This game sucks for not having a training mode…
Minato’s grab doesnt go full screen O_o? thats odd, i remember a time where i was full screen away try to grab Minato (i was Sasori) but i somehow got grabbed instead. Figured it was his grab Kunai, maybe he can do it on the puppet? lol more testing material.
Didn’t know that about fake tensei. I usually do OOO xx Shinra Tensei and it rarely get’s knj’d save for a few times.
Yeah, Minato’s ninja jump is dumb. You need to chakra dash into him as soon as he touches the floor otherwise he’s dancing around you all day.
I’m kinda taking back what I said about Shikamaru, mainly for the fact that he really can’t do shit other than throw those tab bombs. Walking and Blocking > Shikamaru.
I was playing as Deidara today and he’s not that bad, you can’t spam with him otherwise your going to get murked. The main thing I did was bust out Kakuzu assitst and Itachi, plus clay birds. If they came near me and I knj’d behind them, jump square combo. Although I did get raped by a Balanced team. Chakra shuriken on a balanced team is too much rape for Dei.
EDIT: Alright wtf can I do about Susanoo? Spend the whole match destryoing this guy only for him to bust out that awakening then do that bullshit 3 hit combo and bring my health down to his level. I still won but I’m pissed off with how Susanoo can just waltz up to you and do whatever the fuck he wants. Good thing I had my chiyo assitst stocked.
I don’t think its evo worthy, but it’s pretty fun to play. A improvement over the first and can get pretty competitive. Online play searches for fighters is horrible so if anyone is down to fight hit me up on live. Gamer Tag - Gauntlet 22
Changes:
-Chiyo bumped UP to Top tier; found out some interesting about her OOO combos, if you KnJ one of the first two hits, the rest of the combo will STILL hit you and launch you for a Jutsu/support follow up. Plus she has a godlike shield guage… closing in on a good Chiyo is a pain in the ass. Plus her awakening is quite decent.
-Shika bumped UP to High tier; Kazuhiro’s posts cover the reasons for the bump up.
-regular Naruto bumped UP to high tier; same as Shika, Kazuhiro’s posts.
Sasori is top I havent seen the 2nd health bar with him in the longest time and I have 650 wins and 50 losses in this game and about 4 of those are with him
He just does the most damage off two attack assists which allows you to end games before people even awaken…
His item set consists of defensive items, bombs which cause knockback and poison tags
His tilt attack poisons, the puppet auto-tracks you if you knj a combo
Leaving the puppet off screen and then using his jutsu’s catches people off guard and he has a decent throw range.
When he gets support gauge he’s beast I always use kakuzu and hidan assists on attack because you get assist knockback from both off them and then throw people after the 1st knockback and then ouji/team jutsu off the 2nd for about 1 and a half bars of health.
Even just doing throws with assist knockback takes off abit more than a ouji…
Kiba is beast but chiyo is probably best character in the game hands down
Someone with a turbo controller gets out of this easily but most people dont expect anything after a assist knockback for some reason probably due to the fact that there used to just hitting the ground and waiting for there chakra orbs to fall out of them lol