My Thoughts on how to fix this game

[discovigilante]

System nerf to XF1: I don’t like this at all. Being able to use XF1 damage to close out a game is what makes it useful in the first place. XF2 speed would allow for some infinites, but the time being the same as it is now would make it impossible to kill for some characters.
The rest I can get behind, mostly. On the fence about snap back invincibility, and personally I think TAC’s should just be removed entirely.

Just some comments on the characters I put time into…

Ameterasu
Buffs:

1. Damage increased by 15%.
2. Okami Shuffle now hits fullscreen until the animation is finished, (meaning there are no gaps to punish it or create mixups.)

[details=Spoiler]Buff: spell my bitch’s name right

1. So combined with the system damage nerf, her damage would be just a bit higher than what it is now. That’s fine, as long as it doesn’t reward people too much for simple reflector combos.
2. So the THC is only useful on incoming for Viper and Firebrand now. Neato. Also, the gaps are what allow her to XF cancel early and confirm into glaive loops.[/details]

Doctor Doom
Nerfs: 1. When doom is hit during the hidden missiles assist all missiles disappear.

[details=Spoiler]The debate about nerfing this assist is old as sin, but recently FGTV got it right:

• Tracking of Hidden Missiles assist adjusted. Missiles 2-6 only track where Missile 1 was tracking to prevent “combo breaking”. Makes Hidden Missiles assist easier to evade in general. Normal Hidden Missiles remains unchanged.[/details]

Doctor Strange

Buffs:

1. Now has a forward and backward air dash.
2. Eye of Agamotto and Daggers of Denact do not disappear when strange is hit (unless hit during startup.)
3. Fireball Speed overall increased significantly when there are more hosts of hoggoth on screen.
4. Launch is now -8 on block.
5. Lvl. 3 does 15% more damage.
6. Recovery on hit for spell of vishanti is decreased

[details=Spoiler]1. This is not the air movement that Strange needs. If anything it’d make his crossup game more crazy than it needs to be (imagine Vergil’s DT assist mixups but now he can also teleport after an air dash) while removing his uniqueness and not adding much to his escape options. I’m not sure how to fix this without breaking him too bad, but I think he needs some kind of upward air dash or faster-moving flight so he can get off the ground more easily without super-jumping.
2. I’m fine with Eye working this way but this will make Denak L ridiculously spammable from long range and turn into combos off a trade. Not sure how Strange players (and everyone else) would feel about that.
3. Not sure. Might be cool.
4. Fine.
5. It already does unscaled damage, I don’t think it needs a buff at all.
6. Not entirely sure what “recovery on hit” means. Do you mean the opponent’s recovery? In that case SOV could easily become punishable on hit with X-factor, turning SOV into a very Bionic Arm-like resource-wasting mind game, which I don’t think helps Strange at all. If you mean Strange’s recovery, he can’t just recover faster on hit, it’d be the same on block too. Nothing wrong with that, except you’d be able to do the Strange/Dante/Wesker unblockable more easily. Anyway pls clarify[/details]

Dormmamu

NO CHANGES

Thank you.

Felicia

Buffs: 1. Hit stun from sonic ball is increased and hit stun deterioration decreased, also recovery on the move is decreased.
2. Felicia switch sides move is sped up significantly.
3. The small cat during felicias cat super speed is increased significantly.
4. Lvl. 3 causes a hard knockdown state and does 5% more damage.
5. By holding S while clinging to the wall you can now charge your meter.
6. Damage increased by 15%.
7. Wall Grab now works with super jumps.

[details=Spoiler]1. Recovery and hit stun/block stun are intertwined, no reason to mention both. She could probably use some more safe approach, but I think the low hit should still be unsafe on block. If it were safe, she could easily set up command grabs when the move is not push blocked, and then set up crazy pressure (even unblockable setups when canceled into Kitty Helper on reaction push block). The more I talk this out the more cool it sounds, but Rolling Buckler still needs to be at least -1.
2. So it’d be less ambiguous but easier to confirm off of. Maybe give her the Cap buff where she has different speeds of cross-ups.
3. I like that.
4. It doesn’t need more damage (mashable but unscaled damage as is) and it’s only as hard as Devil Must Die to confirm off of, so I don’t see the point here.
5. Hahahahahaha, I love this idea.
6. Eh, I guess. I was hoping the game would turn more reset-heavy but she could probably still use the damage buff.
7. Mayyyybe. It’d be nice to have more movement to fight zoners.[/details]

Hagger

Buffs: 1. Hagger no longer loses health for using lariot assist or on point.
2. Recovery time after otg backdrop kick on hit/block and whiff is halved.
3. Hard knockdown state given back to lariot assist and on point.

[details=Spoiler]1. Haggar lost life for using Lariat in Final Fight (iirc). Try to be faithful to the source games.
2. Nope. I shouldn’t have to explain why this is silly.
3. JESUS CHRIST NO

Side note: I wish Haggar could confirm off of his ground/air regular throws more easily, and they should fix the dumb glitch where your assist comes out on the other side after a throw for no apparent reason.[/details]

Hsien-ko

Buffs: 1. Her speed is increased overall, her speed on air dash increased significantly (changed from walking animation to running animation.)
2. Pinwheel special is now a dash and normal cancellable move, also it is speed up significantly with startup decreased.
3. Gong Assist is now H version.
4. All versions of gong travel 1/3 further on screen and there is alot less recovery on gong now.
5. Ankiho can now be done in air.
6. Damage increased by 15%.
7. Gold Armor super time increased by 1/3.

[details=Spoiler]1. Of course.
2. If you make it special-cancelable you also have to make it so you can push block it. The dash cancel gives her an interesting way to fight the push block but it might get silly.
3. Who cares.
4. Might be cool.
5. I don’t see the point of this. If anything they should change the arc of the medium version so there’s actually better reason to use it.
6. Sure.
7. Whatever.[/details]

Hulk

Buffs: 1. Ground Throw now gives you time for hulk to otg from it.
2. X factor gives hulk speed boosts now.
3. Health is now 1,250,000
4. Supers damage increased by 15%.

[details=Spoiler]1. You are a goddamn madman. That option select H/throw game is already too strong, having it turn into a full combo would be stupid. The oki is enough.
2. Nope.
3. Don’t see the point.
4. NOPE.[/details]

I’m behind all the Iron Dude changes except for c.H becoming horizontal. edit: And Smart Bombs causing a hard knockdown, not sure how I missed that. Imagine foot dive being safe, with no need to dash cancel it. Also, they OTG, so having an infinite hard knockdown loop would be pretty silly.

Morrigan

Buffs: 1. Damage increased by 10%.
Nerfs: 1. Only Builds meter during astral super when hitting opponent.

[details=Spoiler]Buff 1. Fine with this long as it doesn’t include chip damage, which is hard to implement.
Nerf 1. She should just not build meter at all during AV. The Cold Star/Eye/Hyper Grav AV combos would still give her 3 bars easily.[/details]

Nova

Buffs: 1. All versions of Gravemetric Pulse durability is increased by 1/3 hits.
2. Gravemetric Blaster super does 20% more damage.

[details=Spoiler]1. I don’t think Nova needs any buffs but this one kind of makes sense.
2. This one is ridiculous, that super already does a ton of damage.[/details]

Sentinel

Buffs: 1. Health raised to 1,200,000.
2. Flight speed increased.
3. Invisible wall after the command grab is removed and the distance it sends the opponent is halved.
4. Normals Chip, but only do 10% chip damage unlike the way normal chip damage works, (similar to mvc2.)
5. Rocket Punch gains its old status from vanilla marvel.
Nerfs: 1. Sentinel drones assist has its gaps tightened further.

[details=Spoiler]1. Too high, I’ve always said 1.1 is good for Sent.
2. Doesn’t really need it.
3. What is the invisible wall? I do agree about the distance thing.
4. ALL NORMALS? Hell no.
5. Nah.

Nerf 1. On the fence here. I don’t like its mixup ability being nerfed but having more consistent combo extension (if that’s how this works) could be cool.[/details]

She-Hulk

Buffs: 1. Give her back her chainable lights from vanilla marvel.
2. Giver her back her slide range from vanilla marvel.
3. Speed and range of Lamppost is increased significantly, it has also been given 1 hit of armor.
4. Lamppost is safe on block when when spaced at certain distances.
5. Damage increased by 10%.
6. Increase invincibility on anti air grab super to be like it was in vanilla.

[details=Spoiler]1. Chainable lights don’t fit with her character archetype. What she needs is…
2. This. Insane kara grabs would improve her game mightily, and in an interesting way.
3. I think the speed and range is cool, but the armor is maybe unnecessary. You can already Runner’s Start-cancel the move so this is not really a big deal.
4. Same thing about Runner’s Start.
5. Either this or taking away the wall-bounce properties on some of her specials, giving them more hitstun/untechable time instead so she can extend her combos more and still finish with all hits of Emerald Cannon.
6. Yeah I agree with this.[/details]

Spencer

Nerfs: 1. Zip lines all scale like a normal combo hit.

Agree wholeheartedly.

The Trish changes all make sense to me but I don’t think she needs both a startup and recovery reduction on Low Voltage. Just recovery is fine.

Vergil

Buffs: 1. Health increased to 900,000.
2. During Swords super you can now do any of vergils other sword variations for free (during any part of the super).
Nerfs: 1. Helm Breaker is -1 on block from standing opponents.
2. Startup increased for Swords super.
3. Swords super now costs 2 bars.
4. Rapid Slash super no longer randomly crosses up.

[details=Spoiler]Buff 1. Nah.
2. I think you should just go with the Flux alteration on this. Defaults to Blistering Swords for 1 bar and goes away when hit, Spiral Swords and Sword Storm cost 2 but don’t go away on hit. This is how it was in DMC3 and I think is more fair then giving him a fucking 1-bar safety belt.
Nerfs 1. Also make it so you can’t cancel it into S upon landing, that move needs to be one that you commit to.
2. Irrelevant with what I wrote in Buff 2.
3. Same.
4. It crosses up consistently as it is now. Literally, it will always cross you up guaranteed, unless you push block an assist that’s called at the same time or Judgment Cut, or hit him out of it. edit: Oh, maybe you’re talking about Dimension Slash. That should never randomly cross up, fuck that move.[/details]

VJ changes are sound.

Wesker

Buffs: 1. Invincibility on counter super is regained from vanilla marvel.
2. Damage increased by 10%.
Nerfs: 1. Launcher is -8 on block.
2. Phantom Dance super no longer randomly crosses up.

[details=Spoiler]Buff 1: Both the nerf Capcom gave this move and the fact that they didn’t buff his regular counters are silly. I think you either give him the longer invincibility on his counter super, or you make it easier to combo off his parries. I like the latter, personally.
2. No.
Nerf 1. I agree.
2. I agree.[/details]

[Upcoming_Fighter]

You can’t fix Marvel games dude, and guess what? Many of the players don’t want them ‘fixed’ (aka balanced)

Go for broke!

In a way i am trying to go for broke, with all the characters having some broken tools, im just doing my best to make sure the playing field is pretty even.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

for Jill somersault needs to be able to OTG so she can combo after throws and increase machine gun super and overall damage by 10% and increase the range of her cr.M back to vanilla status

Cant she currently otg into her special throw off a throw? Also if her gun super cant land after a throw tell me and i will give her more time to otg off a ground throw.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

System nerf to XF1: I don’t like this at all. Being able to use XF1 damage to close out a game is what makes it useful in the first place. XF2 speed would allow for some infinites, but the time being the same as it is now would make it impossible to kill for some characters.
The rest I can get behind, mostly. On the fence about snap back invincibility, and personally I think TAC’s should just be removed entirely.

Just some comments on the characters I put time into…

Ameterasu
Buffs:

1. Damage increased by 15%.
2. Okami Shuffle now hits fullscreen until the animation is finished, (meaning there are no gaps to punish it or create mixups.)

[details=Spoiler]Buff: spell my bitch’s name right

1. So combined with the system damage nerf, her damage would be just a bit higher than what it is now. That’s fine, as long as it doesn’t reward people too much for simple reflector combos.
2. So the THC is only useful on incoming for Viper and Firebrand now. Neato. Also, the gaps are what allow her to XF cancel early and confirm into glaive loops.[/details]

Doctor Doom
Nerfs: 1. When doom is hit during the hidden missiles assist all missiles disappear.

[details=Spoiler]The debate about nerfing this assist is old as sin, but recently FGTV got it right:

• Tracking of Hidden Missiles assist adjusted. Missiles 2-6 only track where Missile 1 was tracking to prevent “combo breaking”. Makes Hidden Missiles assist easier to evade in general. Normal Hidden Missiles remains unchanged.[/details]

Doctor Strange

Buffs:

1. Now has a forward and backward air dash.
2. Eye of Agamotto and Daggers of Denact do not disappear when strange is hit (unless hit during startup.)
3. Fireball Speed overall increased significantly when there are more hosts of hoggoth on screen.
4. Launch is now -8 on block.
5. Lvl. 3 does 15% more damage.
6. Recovery on hit for spell of vishanti is decreased

[details=Spoiler]1. This is not the air movement that Strange needs. If anything it’d make his crossup game more crazy than it needs to be (imagine Vergil’s DT assist mixups but now he can also teleport after an air dash) while removing his uniqueness and not adding much to his escape options. I’m not sure how to fix this without breaking him too bad, but I think he needs some kind of upward air dash or faster-moving flight so he can get off the ground more easily without super-jumping.
2. I’m fine with Eye working this way but this will make Denak L ridiculously spammable from long range and turn into combos off a trade. Not sure how Strange players (and everyone else) would feel about that.
3. Not sure. Might be cool.
4. Fine.
5. It already does unscaled damage, I don’t think it needs a buff at all.
6. Not entirely sure what “recovery on hit” means. Do you mean the opponent’s recovery? In that case SOV could easily become punishable on hit with X-factor, turning SOV into a very Bionic Arm-like resource-wasting mind game, which I don’t think helps Strange at all. If you mean Strange’s recovery, he can’t just recover faster on hit, it’d be the same on block too. Nothing wrong with that, except you’d be able to do the Strange/Dante/Wesker unblockable more easily. Anyway pls clarify[/details]

Dormmamu

NO CHANGES

Thank you.

Felicia

Buffs: 1. Hit stun from sonic ball is increased and hit stun deterioration decreased, also recovery on the move is decreased.
2. Felicia switch sides move is sped up significantly.
3. The small cat during felicias cat super speed is increased significantly.
4. Lvl. 3 causes a hard knockdown state and does 5% more damage.
5. By holding S while clinging to the wall you can now charge your meter.
6. Damage increased by 15%.
7. Wall Grab now works with super jumps.

[details=Spoiler]1. Recovery and hit stun/block stun are intertwined, no reason to mention both. She could probably use some more safe approach, but I think the low hit should still be unsafe on block. If it were safe, she could easily set up command grabs when the move is not push blocked, and then set up crazy pressure (even unblockable setups when canceled into Kitty Helper on reaction push block). The more I talk this out the more cool it sounds, but Rolling Buckler still needs to be at least -1.
2. So it’d be less ambiguous but easier to confirm off of. Maybe give her the Cap buff where she has different speeds of cross-ups.
3. I like that.
4. It doesn’t need more damage (mashable but unscaled damage as is) and it’s only as hard as Devil Must Die to confirm off of, so I don’t see the point here.
5. Hahahahahaha, I love this idea.
6. Eh, I guess. I was hoping the game would turn more reset-heavy but she could probably still use the damage buff.
7. Mayyyybe. It’d be nice to have more movement to fight zoners.[/details]

Hagger

Buffs: 1. Hagger no longer loses health for using lariot assist or on point.
2. Recovery time after otg backdrop kick on hit/block and whiff is halved.
3. Hard knockdown state given back to lariot assist and on point.

[details=Spoiler]1. Haggar lost life for using Lariat in Final Fight (iirc). Try to be faithful to the source games.
2. Nope. I shouldn’t have to explain why this is silly.
3. JESUS CHRIST NO

Side note: I wish Haggar could confirm off of his ground/air regular throws more easily, and they should fix the dumb glitch where your assist comes out on the other side after a throw for no apparent reason.[/details]

Hsien-ko

Buffs: 1. Her speed is increased overall, her speed on air dash increased significantly (changed from walking animation to running animation.)
2. Pinwheel special is now a dash and normal cancellable move, also it is speed up significantly with startup decreased.
3. Gong Assist is now H version.
4. All versions of gong travel 1/3 further on screen and there is alot less recovery on gong now.
5. Ankiho can now be done in air.
6. Damage increased by 15%.
7. Gold Armor super time increased by 1/3.

[details=Spoiler]1. Of course.
2. If you make it special-cancelable you also have to make it so you can push block it. The dash cancel gives her an interesting way to fight the push block but it might get silly.
3. Who cares.
4. Might be cool.
5. I don’t see the point of this. If anything they should change the arc of the medium version so there’s actually better reason to use it.
6. Sure.
7. Whatever.[/details]

Hulk

Buffs: 1. Ground Throw now gives you time for hulk to otg from it.
2. X factor gives hulk speed boosts now.
3. Health is now 1,250,000
4. Supers damage increased by 15%.

[details=Spoiler]1. You are a goddamn madman. That option select H/throw game is already too strong, having it turn into a full combo would be stupid. The oki is enough.
2. Nope.
3. Don’t see the point.
4. NOPE.[/details]

I’m behind all the Iron Dude changes except for c.H becoming horizontal. edit: And Smart Bombs causing a hard knockdown, not sure how I missed that. Imagine foot dive being safe, with no need to dash cancel it. Also, they OTG, so having an infinite hard knockdown loop would be pretty silly.

Morrigan

Buffs: 1. Damage increased by 10%.
Nerfs: 1. Only Builds meter during astral super when hitting opponent.

[details=Spoiler]Buff 1. Fine with this long as it doesn’t include chip damage, which is hard to implement.
Nerf 1. She should just not build meter at all during AV. The Cold Star/Eye/Hyper Grav AV combos would still give her 3 bars easily.[/details]

Nova

Buffs: 1. All versions of Gravemetric Pulse durability is increased by 1/3 hits.
2. Gravemetric Blaster super does 20% more damage.

[details=Spoiler]1. I don’t think Nova needs any buffs but this one kind of makes sense.
2. This one is ridiculous, that super already does a ton of damage.[/details]

Sentinel

Buffs: 1. Health raised to 1,200,000.
2. Flight speed increased.
3. Invisible wall after the command grab is removed and the distance it sends the opponent is halved.
4. Normals Chip, but only do 10% chip damage unlike the way normal chip damage works, (similar to mvc2.)
5. Rocket Punch gains its old status from vanilla marvel.
Nerfs: 1. Sentinel drones assist has its gaps tightened further.

[details=Spoiler]1. Too high, I’ve always said 1.1 is good for Sent.
2. Doesn’t really need it.
3. What is the invisible wall? I do agree about the distance thing.
4. ALL NORMALS? Hell no.
5. Nah.

Nerf 1. On the fence here. I don’t like its mixup ability being nerfed but having more consistent combo extension (if that’s how this works) could be cool.[/details]

She-Hulk

Buffs: 1. Give her back her chainable lights from vanilla marvel.
2. Giver her back her slide range from vanilla marvel.
3. Speed and range of Lamppost is increased significantly, it has also been given 1 hit of armor.
4. Lamppost is safe on block when when spaced at certain distances.
5. Damage increased by 10%.
6. Increase invincibility on anti air grab super to be like it was in vanilla.

[details=Spoiler]1. Chainable lights don’t fit with her character archetype. What she needs is…
2. This. Insane kara grabs would improve her game mightily, and in an interesting way.
3. I think the speed and range is cool, but the armor is maybe unnecessary. You can already Runner’s Start-cancel the move so this is not really a big deal.
4. Same thing about Runner’s Start.
5. Either this or taking away the wall-bounce properties on some of her specials, giving them more hitstun/untechable time instead so she can extend her combos more and still finish with all hits of Emerald Cannon.
6. Yeah I agree with this.[/details]

Spencer

Nerfs: 1. Zip lines all scale like a normal combo hit.

Agree wholeheartedly.

The Trish changes all make sense to me but I don’t think she needs both a startup and recovery reduction on Low Voltage. Just recovery is fine.

Vergil

Buffs: 1. Health increased to 900,000.
2. During Swords super you can now do any of vergils other sword variations for free (during any part of the super).
Nerfs: 1. Helm Breaker is -1 on block from standing opponents.
2. Startup increased for Swords super.
3. Swords super now costs 2 bars.
4. Rapid Slash super no longer randomly crosses up.

[details=Spoiler]Buff 1. Nah.
2. I think you should just go with the Flux alteration on this. Defaults to Blistering Swords for 1 bar and goes away when hit, Spiral Swords and Sword Storm cost 2 but don’t go away on hit. This is how it was in DMC3 and I think is more fair then giving him a fucking 1-bar safety belt.
Nerfs 1. Also make it so you can’t cancel it into S upon landing, that move needs to be one that you commit to.
2. Irrelevant with what I wrote in Buff 2.
3. Same.
4. It crosses up consistently as it is now. Literally, it will always cross you up guaranteed, unless you push block an assist that’s called at the same time or Judgment Cut, or hit him out of it. edit: Oh, maybe you’re talking about Dimension Slash. That should never randomly cross up, fuck that move.[/details]

VJ changes are sound.

Wesker

Buffs: 1. Invincibility on counter super is regained from vanilla marvel.
2. Damage increased by 10%.
Nerfs: 1. Launcher is -8 on block.
2. Phantom Dance super no longer randomly crosses up.

[details=Spoiler]Buff 1: Both the nerf Capcom gave this move and the fact that they didn’t buff his regular counters are silly. I think you either give him the longer invincibility on his counter super, or you make it easier to combo off his parries. I like the latter, personally.
2. No.
Nerf 1. I agree.
2. I agree.[/details]

I just changed doom because that makes sense about missiles. For doctor strange I feel he severely needed some sort of air movement a forward and back dash will be fine imo even though it will make his cross up shenanigans better, I went ahead and took away the damage buff on his lv. 3, also i was talking about on hit for vishante due to it being punished by many characters when done to close in x factor. For felcia I also took your advice on not giving the lv. 3 a damage boost, im also considering giving her the side switch properties I gave to merica. As for hagger I really feel he needs something, I went back to doing red health since it does that in final fight, I feel the hard knockdown assist makes him stand out, idk what I should give him but if you can think of something it would be appreciated.

As for hulk I think the otg off a ground throw makes him scarier and thats a good thing with all of the buffs in this version, i decided not to give him back some of the damage i took away from him. I made iron man do smart bombs only hard knockdown on a stray hit so it wont work during combos (this is actually how i had it originally). For nova i reduced the damage upgrade some on the super but i wanted it to be more worth sacrificing your red life for, not including the fact his damage will be nerfed already.

I left sentinel alone, I feel he needs what I gave him, also the normal thing old sentinel fans will appreciate and it will make him more of an offensive threat. I took flux’s ideas because they make alot of sense for vergil (and they are accurate to dmc lore), also yes i was talking about the dimensional slash super crossing up. As for the wesker damage the reason i upped it by 10% is because of my universal 10% damage nerf, wesker doesnt do great damage as is now so I just want it to remain the same.

Also thanks for all the suggestions.

Also for x factor 1 I made it so it is seldomly used, I want it to be used as a means to correct a mistake, add an extra super, or maintain pressure, x factor level 2 will have old xfactor lv.1’s damage and speed but old xfactor lv2 duration, xfactor 3 being old xfactor lv2 but with xfactor 3 duration, so 1 for strats, 2 for damage, 3 for come backs.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

This thread. No.

EDIT: since your intentions are good

Captain America Buffs:

1. Shield Slash has less startup, less recovery and travels faster.
2. Final Justice can punish from fullscreen distance on the ground (or near), has only 1 frame of startup and puts the opponent into a hard knockdown state.
3. When inputting Button + S the button determines how fast captain america flips.
4. All versions of the flip move are sped up.
5. Shield Slash goes through all projectiles, (is treated as a physical hit).
6. Charging Star Special and super are projectile invincible.
7. Stars and Stripes special has some startup invincibility.

[details=Spoiler]Combine 1 and 5 and a move that is already a main part of Cap’s game because it’s decent will become the ONLY part of his game because it would be fucking stupid, going through all kinds of projectiles, faster, and giving him combos (he does insane damage) off of relatively easy hits.
6 is already in the game.
7 is already good enough as it is. Not sure if it has inv, but it’s already a strong anti-air. No need to have it being mashed out whenever possible.
2 is whatever, I don’t see him blowing meter on it.
3+4, I’m not sure.[/details]

Magneto
Buffs: 1. Disrupter is returned to its vanilla marvel status.
2. Air Dash Speed Returned back to vanilla marvel status.
3. Counter special when triggers activates beam faster and you are able to combo after the juggle due to recovery being decreased.

Nerfs: 1. Meter building is decreased overall by 1/3.

[details=Spoiler]You’re giving him way too much for a character that is already top8 AT LEAST, top5 at most.
1- Vanilla disruptor is ridiculous and made him one of THE BEST zoning characters in the game -AND- he could end most blockstrings with it and be relatively safe. There was a reason why it was nerfed. it was stupid.
2- AirDash speed returned to vanilla is a Nerf in some Areas and a buff in others. Basically, some combos he does now change slightly, and confirms also change. It’s a buff because people found it harder to react to his Vanilla airdash, I guess, but his airdash now is much more versatile than it was then. So there, that’s a nerf, IMO.
3- This gives him ridiculous start of the round Option Select into pretty much unscaled damage from a special that does 150k BY ITSELF. The move already has it’s uses, not every special each character has needs to be this amazing special that answer situations perfectly. ForceField can already be used as an anti-throw mash OS at the beginning, it’s a max durability projectile parry, among other more exotic uses.

The meter build nerf depends on the rest of the characters. As it is, he builds 1.6 bars off of an optimal midscreen combo. That’s the RayRay shit, not dumb fly loops. he does build more in the corner/with assists, but every decent character does. His meter gain was already nerfed from vanilla to ultimate (Very fair, to say the least) so I don’t think that’s a problem anymore.[/details]

Frank West Buffs:

1. When throwing up he becomes unhittable and just falls afterward going into a knockdown.
2. There is now a throw up timer to show when the throw up will occur.
3. Picture now does 1 point of damage and is a fullscreenmove (horizontal hitbox in front of frank west) that doesnt rely on a durability point system so it will hit unblocking foes unless they are using invincible moves.
4. When frank west is tagged out all effects of drinking reset including not having to throw up.
5. Damage increased by 10%.
6. Camera on hit recovery is now halved.

[details=Spoiler] First, I have to say that the very idea that Frank West needs any buffs is way beyond me. I just can’t, sorry.
1- Irrelevant. Good Frank Teams don’t use Drank so they never throw up. Why would you make him safe after he fucked up? bad idea.
2- Great idea actually. props.
3- Bad idea. Picture as it is does 10k, a hardly relevant value, so there’s no point in reducing it’s damage. But combine 3 and 6 and he’s going to give you hell. because camera is already a HIT (not projectile) that hits both your point and your assist. So making pretty much a mini-HSF means nobody will be doing anything close to the ground without being counterhit. Sure, it doesn’t lead to anything big, but it would make the matches extremely stupid. I can see this buff if it only works when he has a Drink on him, since he can get punished afterwards if he’s not smart.
4- This is already in the game.
5- His damage is already absurd. And he already has damage buffs as he progresses through the levels. Along with defense buffs, free HP up on level up, chipping normals that do 14-36k per hit…
6- Good to prevent the neutral tech > snap punish you can do to it, but combined with 3, it’s a bad idea.[/details]

Deadpool Buffs:

1. Damage on all gun moves and gun supers increased by 5%.
2. Durability on gun moves and supers increased, startup slightly decreased on them as well.
3. Level 3 activates when hit by any kind of hit or throw including projectiles and assist hits, if hit by the assist character or a character no longer on screen then it will hit the opponents current character.
4. lvl 3 only flashes when triggered.
5. Level 3 is completely invincible and has no recovery.
6. Add old voice overs that said " I love me some guns and I love me some pineapple" everytime he used his guns.
7. Overall Damage increased by 10%.

[details=Spoiler]1- Kinda makes sense. Kinda. But it might be a problem because deadpool already DOES good damage, you just rarely get to see one that knows the goddamn character.
2. Mix this with the 1st one and you’re in for some bullshit.
3. God awful idea. At this point the match becomes a game of “Chicken” where one guy is just doing stupid fucking shit while the other is trying his hardest not to do anything to not get immediately countered by a lvl3.
4- Good idea.
6- Counter can’t be completely invincible during their active frames, otherwise they would never activate. If you mean projectile invincibility, it’s not necessary, next to no characters start their offensive straight from a projectile. No recovery… eh, I can kinda see it. There are plenty of lvl3s with very short recovery.
7- He does really fucking good damage already. This would be silly.[/details]

For captain I went ahead and fixed some of the redundances, now I improved his shield slash severely because I want its control to be very strong in the game, right now honestly their isnt a ton of reason to play him but with these changes he would be a space control monster, also I universally damage nerfed the game by 10% so captain wont be dealing as much damage.

As for my magneto changes i wanted to improve his zoning game by speeding up disrupter but I do agree it was pretty insane in vanilla as a tool, so I decided to put its speed somewhere in between old disrupter and current disrupter, I also updated the nerf to some of his combos with his speed buff. Also the reason I nerfed his meter building is I want his main purpose to be pretty good zoning and some of the best rushdown in the game but since his damage and meter are getting nerf I also want him to be a reset heavy character.

For Frank what I tried to do is just make franks picture always safe on hit I changed my list to show that, his damage will be unchanged technically becuz of the universal 10% nerf, Im trying to make the camera sort of an anti zoning tool so it has full screen horizontal hitbox (in front of the camera) that way it beats anything your opponent is trying to do.

As for deadpools changes I fixed several of them this morning by making his lv.3 have slight recovery at the end and I made it throwable, but as it is a lvl3 counter super I kept it anti physical and projectile hitting properties.

Also thanks for the suggestions.

[Kanta-Kun]

As my final note on this thread:

This is a “Kusoge” already as it is. These changes would make it Mugen.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

As my final note on this thread:

This is a “Kusoge” already as it is. These changes would make it Mugen.

I just trying to make everybody effective at their playstyles, buffs for breakfast I say.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

Ok ill go correct these. My goal is to make everyone Marvel strong, and by that i mean all characters somewhat broken, if you could tell me what you consider too strong ill take the change into consideration.

Also on Captian side switch move does the button press determine the speed of the flip?

Phoenix Wright:

[details=Spoiler]Buffs:

1. Maya stays out for 1/3 longer.
2. Maya protecting hitbox is vertically increased to help protect you and your assists better (maya will defend from all attacks unless you physically get over her.
3. Order in the court super no long knocks back pheonix wright meaning it has basically no recovery.
4. Questioning and Cross Examination start up time is decreased by 1/2 to make it easier for them to hit foes and combo.
5. There is a Maya Icon near your meter that will light up when you can call maya again also it takes 1/4 less time for maya to be available than before.
6. All of pheonix wrights assist in tournabout mode are fully invincible and unpunishable.
7. Throwing fake evidence has less recovery.
8. Maya Super is now invincible.
9. Qcf S now sends out the dog as a low hitting projectile.
10. During Turnabout mode the dog assist on hit puts the opponent in a capture state with the dog biting on their leg.
11. Paper Throw assist in turnabout mode throws 2 times the amount of paper.
12. After hitting Questioning 3 times your opponent is sent into a stun state.
13. Damage increased by 10%.[/details]

Spoiler

1. You can already get 3 pieces of evidence per shield. 4 pieces is too much.
2. I actually agree. Unless you are saying that Maya will protect all projectiles with no limit. That’s the only counter to the Maya shield.
3. Broken shit. You would have like 2 frames to punish the mode change.
4. I believe this would make HOLD IT faster than a light. No.
5. A Maya icon isn’t needed. And it would be a better idea to bring a set standard to Maya’s availability instead of making it faster.
6. NONONO this is terrible. Broken. As Hell. There was a reason it was nerfed. You may as well bring back pre-patch Mad Beast.
7. Sure. Why not.
8. Invincibility plus a completely unstoppable attack is broken.
9. Sounds good.
10. More hitstun: Good. Capture state: Bad.
11. Not needed. Already had enough anti-zoning tools.
12. Already there in Trial. Not needed in Investigation. You can only put 2 in a practical Investigation combo anyways.
13. Doesn’t help anything wrong with him.

V. Joe

Spoiler

Buffs:

1. Damage increased by 15%.
2. Six Machine’s bullet travels faster.

Spoiler

1. 746,000 * 1.15 = 857,900 That is way too much for a very safe, very mobile, very hard to hit character.
2. That would control less space. It would also lower the amount of laughs I get when a scrub tries to beam super through it.

And I know practically nothing 'bout 'Murica.

For mr. wright from your suggestions I made the questioning and cross examination start time just decreased (with no specifics) I just want this move to be very abusable (similar to haggers pipe) in controlling space (and ultimately landing turnabout mode.), I also took your advice on not making maya invincible since maya is kinda already invincible, also I kept alot of the extremely broken things in turnabout mode because I think as capcom originally design he needs to remain a make or break character, i think the fact that he is only going for evidence until he gets a space controlling move that on hit makes him the best in the game for a bit extremely interesting, I personally believe with the improvements for him getting evidence that this strategy can become a threat people will have to prepare for.

As for VJ ive heard from multiple people the bullet is a nerf so I took it out, also the damage buff is technically only 5% due to my system damage nerf of 10%.

Also thanks for the suggestions.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

Also Im considering making a video because there is too much to write about why I did certain changes.

You should ask RedmageFoxx to help you with this video.

That I may, as I have never made a youtube video, but you may be trolling since its that funny vid of akuma changes :S. Unless he actually knows how to hack the game to implement the said changes because that would be amazing.

[6KingsofPower]

Well, I can definitely appreciate the effort that has gone into this, and the fact that you are open to suggestions. Have you check this thread out yet:

UMvC3 version 2013: The feedback thread

Hello SRK, I assume you have all seen this: In this thread we (as SRK) can gather all feedback in terms of gameplay tweaks/buffs/etc that we would like to see in an update of UMvC3 (Not characters, I’ll do something for that later). We can bring up and discuss things in a civil manner, I’ll collect to most popular and best ideas and forward them towards Capcom. Remember when we started the snowball effect on Strider? We can do that again :slight_smile: IMPORTANT RULES! - This thread is …

There are other lists there(from when a patch was a possibly), and while some suggestions were far crazier, it is a great place to compare and contrast what are good and bad ideas for changes.

[_Insert_Name_Here]

For mr. wright from your suggestions I made the questioning and cross examination start time just decreased (with no specifics) I just want this move to be very abusable (similar to haggers pipe) in controlling space (and ultimately landing turnabout mode.)

If you want a Steel Pipe-like move then you’re going to have to tone down the speed boost a bit, makes them too fast honestly. I applaud the attempt to make him stronger outside of Turnabout, though, he really needs buffs there.

I kept alot of the extremely broken things in turnabout mode because I think as capcom originally design he needs to remain a make or break character, i think the fact that he is only going for evidence until he gets a space controlling move that on hit makes him the best in the game for a bit extremely interesting, I personally believe with the improvements for him getting evidence that this strategy can become a threat people will have to prepare for.

Honestly, it’s really hard to balance “make or break” characters because you either go overboard with the superpowered mode, you make the superpowered mode too tame, or the character is just not strong enough in his initial form to do much work. Look at Phoenix, top tier in Vanilla but now has plenty of counters and, in my opinion, hardly worth the trouble anymore. I feel like that instead of grossly exaggerating Phoenix Wright’s strength in Turnabout and making his Investigation/Trial forms exist solely to have him gather evidence and land the Objection!, he should have a more flexible playstyle and be able to actually fight in his initial modes and, when possible, go into Turnabout to close out games/deal with problem characters. I like some of your ideas, but a Phoenix Wright that just calls Maya, gathers evidence easily, jumps around spamming Objections, and goes full retard in Turnabout makes for a boring, stale character.

As my final note on this thread:

This is a “Kusoge” already as it is. These changes would make it Mugen.

I just trying to make everybody effective at their playstyles, buffs for breakfast I say.

You have that many buffs for breakfast and it’s easy to choke on them. I agree that everyone should be strong but even too many buffs can be a bad thing. You kind of realize this but you don’t really.

[discovigilante]

I just changed doom because that makes sense about missiles. For doctor strange I feel he severely needed some sort of air movement a forward and back dash will be fine imo even though it will make his cross up shenanigans better, I went ahead and took away the damage buff on his lv. 3, also i was talking about on hit for vishante due to it being punished by many characters when done to close in x factor. For felcia I also took your advice on not giving the lv. 3 a damage boost, im also considering giving her the side switch properties I gave to merica. As for hagger I really feel he needs something, I went back to doing red health since it does that in final fight, I feel the hard knockdown assist makes him stand out, idk what I should give him but if you can think of something it would be appreciated.

As for hulk I think the otg off a ground throw makes him scarier and thats a good thing with all of the buffs in this version, i decided not to give him back some of the damage i took away from him. I made iron man do smart bombs only hard knockdown on a stray hit so it wont work during combos (this is actually how i had it originally). For nova i reduced the damage upgrade some on the super but i wanted it to be more worth sacrificing your red life for, not including the fact his damage will be nerfed already.

I left sentinel alone, I feel he needs what I gave him, also the normal thing old sentinel fans will appreciate and it will make him more of an offensive threat. I took flux’s ideas because they make alot of sense for vergil (and they are accurate to dmc lore), also yes i was talking about the dimensional slash super crossing up. As for the wesker damage the reason i upped it by 10% is because of my universal 10% damage nerf, wesker doesnt do great damage as is now so I just want it to remain the same.

Also thanks for all the suggestions.

Also for x factor 1 I made it so it is seldomly used, I want it to be used as a means to correct a mistake, add an extra super, or maintain pressure, x factor level 2 will have old xfactor lv.1’s damage and speed but old xfactor lv2 duration, xfactor 3 being old xfactor lv2 but with xfactor 3 duration, so 1 for strats, 2 for damage, 3 for come backs.

I think SOV just needs to be used more carefully rather than being allowed to spam it.
Personally, I like Haggar the way he is. He’s the Zangief of this game personified, and is really effective on point and as an assist. I’m not sure how much you played vanilla but that assist was really fuckin’ stupid, and I think most characters/players can still confirm off of a raw hit with no trouble. RoachKing still runs team Viscant and manages to get the pickup off of Lariat really easily. It would also make it even crazier as a crossover counter (wouldn’t need to use extra resources to combo off of it, which is the opposite of every other invincible crossover counter, to my knowledge). I think the more lenient regular throw confirms I mentioned are the only buff he needs.
The thing about Hulk’s throw is that by holding forward/back and just mashing H, you’re option selecting a throw with an armored move. Lots of characters are put at a huge disadvantage by being in his throw range, it doesn’t matter if they swing or tech the throw, they’re going to get hit or thrown, making their better option taking the throw so they don’t eat a full combo. That’s already stupid as is (no one else has that, iirc, except for Nemesis whose armor during stand H starts much later), but having that OS turn into a full combo would be totally busted. It would be a zero-sum situation for most of the cast. (Correct me if I’m wrong here, guys, I can only think of Viewtiful Joe/Mach Speed getting out of this safely, Bionic Arm even gets absorbed by the armor)
Okay, I see what you’re saying about IM and Nova now.
1.2 is still too much for Sentinel. I think he’s about on par with Taskmaster in terms of movement, offense, and defense, and giving him more health than that would allow him to take more risks than should be allowed. Also consider how all-chip normals would be for a character with a command grab. He’d have to get pushed back really far on advancing guard for them to be fair at all.
I think XF1 should still be given damage especially considering the overall damage nerf, there should be some incentive to use it and “strats” doesn’t seem like it. It’s already a one-time-use resource, you should be given more benefits for blowing it early.

edit- forgot one more system change that ought to be implemented: the removal of install+XF buff stacking. XF3 DT Vergil is too much. Hell even XF3 DT Dante is ridiculous.

[REALPLAYER]

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D47K1S83gJM

part 1 of 4. didn’t bother reading the OP’s entire post, but some of what was stated seems to be pulled from fgtv’s suggestions. #

[CrunKaintDeaDx]

for Jill somersault needs to be able to OTG so she can combo after throws and increase machine gun super and overall damage by 10% and increase the range of her cr.M back to vanilla status

Cant she currently otg into her special throw off a throw? Also if her gun super cant land after a throw tell me and i will give her more time to otg off a ground throw.

IMO that special that otgs is pretty much useless i dont think u get a free mixup after u otg with that special and machine gun super does otg but that does like no damage theres really no reason to use machine gun super after a throw unless u have 2 meters and vergil second to dhc to sword super but even that seems like a waste of 2 meters.I also wanted to suggest some changes to her lv3 but my idea might sound too outrageous and a special attack that uses her submachine guns and can be canceled into feral crouch would be cool think of deadpool guns into teleport is that too broken?

[Upcoming_Fighter]

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D47K1S83gJM

part 1 of 4. didn’t bother reading the OP’s entire post, but some of what was stated seems to be pulled from fgtv’s suggestions. #

some of their ideas are really good, so i used the ones i agreed with, some of theirs are bit biased though.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

For mr. wright from your suggestions I made the questioning and cross examination start time just decreased (with no specifics) I just want this move to be very abusable (similar to haggers pipe) in controlling space (and ultimately landing turnabout mode.)

If you want a Steel Pipe-like move then you’re going to have to tone down the speed boost a bit, makes them too fast honestly. I applaud the attempt to make him stronger outside of Turnabout, though, he really needs buffs there.

I kept alot of the extremely broken things in turnabout mode because I think as capcom originally design he needs to remain a make or break character, i think the fact that he is only going for evidence until he gets a space controlling move that on hit makes him the best in the game for a bit extremely interesting, I personally believe with the improvements for him getting evidence that this strategy can become a threat people will have to prepare for.

Honestly, it’s really hard to balance “make or break” characters because you either go overboard with the superpowered mode, you make the superpowered mode too tame, or the character is just not strong enough in his initial form to do much work. Look at Phoenix, top tier in Vanilla but now has plenty of counters and, in my opinion, hardly worth the trouble anymore. I feel like that instead of grossly exaggerating Phoenix Wright’s strength in Turnabout and making his Investigation/Trial forms exist solely to have him gather evidence and land the Objection!, he should have a more flexible playstyle and be able to actually fight in his initial modes and, when possible, go into Turnabout to close out games/deal with problem characters. I like some of your ideas, but a Phoenix Wright that just calls Maya, gathers evidence easily, jumps around spamming Objections, and goes full retard in Turnabout makes for a boring, stale character.

As my final note on this thread:

This is a “Kusoge” already as it is. These changes would make it Mugen.

I just trying to make everybody effective at their playstyles, buffs for breakfast I say.

You have that many buffs for breakfast and it’s easy to choke on them. I agree that everyone should be strong but even too many buffs can be a bad thing. You kind of realize this but you don’t really.

I will look into mr. wright further and try to give him more options in his normal mode, I will relook into my balance changes in tournabout mode i may make a weakness or two but I still want it to be very strong.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

I just changed doom because that makes sense about missiles. For doctor strange I feel he severely needed some sort of air movement a forward and back dash will be fine imo even though it will make his cross up shenanigans better, I went ahead and took away the damage buff on his lv. 3, also i was talking about on hit for vishante due to it being punished by many characters when done to close in x factor. For felcia I also took your advice on not giving the lv. 3 a damage boost, im also considering giving her the side switch properties I gave to merica. As for hagger I really feel he needs something, I went back to doing red health since it does that in final fight, I feel the hard knockdown assist makes him stand out, idk what I should give him but if you can think of something it would be appreciated.

As for hulk I think the otg off a ground throw makes him scarier and thats a good thing with all of the buffs in this version, i decided not to give him back some of the damage i took away from him. I made iron man do smart bombs only hard knockdown on a stray hit so it wont work during combos (this is actually how i had it originally). For nova i reduced the damage upgrade some on the super but i wanted it to be more worth sacrificing your red life for, not including the fact his damage will be nerfed already.

I left sentinel alone, I feel he needs what I gave him, also the normal thing old sentinel fans will appreciate and it will make him more of an offensive threat. I took flux’s ideas because they make alot of sense for vergil (and they are accurate to dmc lore), also yes i was talking about the dimensional slash super crossing up. As for the wesker damage the reason i upped it by 10% is because of my universal 10% damage nerf, wesker doesnt do great damage as is now so I just want it to remain the same.

Also thanks for all the suggestions.

Also for x factor 1 I made it so it is seldomly used, I want it to be used as a means to correct a mistake, add an extra super, or maintain pressure, x factor level 2 will have old xfactor lv.1’s damage and speed but old xfactor lv2 duration, xfactor 3 being old xfactor lv2 but with xfactor 3 duration, so 1 for strats, 2 for damage, 3 for come backs.

I think SOV just needs to be used more carefully rather than being allowed to spam it.
Personally, I like Haggar the way he is. He’s the Zangief of this game personified, and is really effective on point and as an assist. I’m not sure how much you played vanilla but that assist was really fuckin’ stupid, and I think most characters/players can still confirm off of a raw hit with no trouble. RoachKing still runs team Viscant and manages to get the pickup off of Lariat really easily. It would also make it even crazier as a crossover counter (wouldn’t need to use extra resources to combo off of it, which is the opposite of every other invincible crossover counter, to my knowledge). I think the more lenient regular throw confirms I mentioned are the only buff he needs.
The thing about Hulk’s throw is that by holding forward/back and just mashing H, you’re option selecting a throw with an armored move. Lots of characters are put at a huge disadvantage by being in his throw range, it doesn’t matter if they swing or tech the throw, they’re going to get hit or thrown, making their better option taking the throw so they don’t eat a full combo. That’s already stupid as is (no one else has that, iirc, except for Nemesis whose armor during stand H starts much later), but having that OS turn into a full combo would be totally busted. It would be a zero-sum situation for most of the cast. (Correct me if I’m wrong here, guys, I can only think of Viewtiful Joe/Mach Speed getting out of this safely, Bionic Arm even gets absorbed by the armor)
Okay, I see what you’re saying about IM and Nova now.
1.2 is still too much for Sentinel. I think he’s about on par with Taskmaster in terms of movement, offense, and defense, and giving him more health than that would allow him to take more risks than should be allowed. Also consider how all-chip normals would be for a character with a command grab. He’d have to get pushed back really far on advancing guard for them to be fair at all.
I think XF1 should still be given damage especially considering the overall damage nerf, there should be some incentive to use it and “strats” doesn’t seem like it. It’s already a one-time-use resource, you should be given more benefits for blowing it early.

edit- forgot one more system change that ought to be implemented: the removal of install+XF buff stacking. XF3 DT Vergil is too much. Hell even XF3 DT Dante is ridiculous.

Ill add more time to the otg state for hagger off a throw, I may change him more later but im still feel he is missing something. For Hulk I may nerf his throw range, would this fix the OS problem? For sentinel I think I can agree on 1.1 especially for how much more of a threat he will be with these changes. I will also consider the removal of forms and x factor stacking but as much as x factor has been toned down it might be balanced out by now.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

for Jill somersault needs to be able to OTG so she can combo after throws and increase machine gun super and overall damage by 10% and increase the range of her cr.M back to vanilla status

Cant she currently otg into her special throw off a throw? Also if her gun super cant land after a throw tell me and i will give her more time to otg off a ground throw.

IMO that special that otgs is pretty much useless i dont think u get a free mixup after u otg with that special and machine gun super does otg but that does like no damage theres really no reason to use machine gun super after a throw unless u have 2 meters and vergil second to dhc to sword super but even that seems like a waste of 2 meters.I also wanted to suggest some changes to her lv3 but my idea might sound too outrageous and a special attack that uses her submachine guns and can be canceled into feral crouch would be cool think of deadpool guns into teleport is that too broken?

Ill shortens jills recovery after her otg throw to allow time for a mixup, also I took your advice from earlier and upgraded her gun supers damage, as for the level 3 i will probly keep it as is becuz i feel its one of the best lv 3’s in the game but so few people play her that she is extremely underdeveloped.

[Upcoming_Fighter]

Well, I can definitely appreciate the effort that has gone into this, and the fact that you are open to suggestions. Have you check this thread out yet:

UMvC3 version 2013: The feedback thread

There are other lists there(from when a patch was a possibly), and while some suggestions were far crazier, it is a great place to compare and contrast what are good and bad ideas for changes.

Thanks for the link it had a ton of great suggestions, including many I thought good enough for my list (even though some where awful), If you have any ideas for my improved change list please suggest them.

[mrmattroxx]

I just changed doom because that makes sense about missiles. For doctor strange I feel he severely needed some sort of air movement a forward and back dash will be fine imo even though it will make his cross up shenanigans better, I went ahead and took away the damage buff on his lv. 3, also i was talking about on hit for vishante due to it being punished by many characters when done to close in x factor. For felcia I also took your advice on not giving the lv. 3 a damage boost, im also considering giving her the side switch properties I gave to merica. As for hagger I really feel he needs something, I went back to doing red health since it does that in final fight, I feel the hard knockdown assist makes him stand out, idk what I should give him but if you can think of something it would be appreciated.

As for hulk I think the otg off a ground throw makes him scarier and thats a good thing with all of the buffs in this version, i decided not to give him back some of the damage i took away from him. I made iron man do smart bombs only hard knockdown on a stray hit so it wont work during combos (this is actually how i had it originally). For nova i reduced the damage upgrade some on the super but i wanted it to be more worth sacrificing your red life for, not including the fact his damage will be nerfed already.

I left sentinel alone, I feel he needs what I gave him, also the normal thing old sentinel fans will appreciate and it will make him more of an offensive threat. I took flux’s ideas because they make alot of sense for vergil (and they are accurate to dmc lore), also yes i was talking about the dimensional slash super crossing up. As for the wesker damage the reason i upped it by 10% is because of my universal 10% damage nerf, wesker doesnt do great damage as is now so I just want it to remain the same.

Also thanks for all the suggestions.

Also for x factor 1 I made it so it is seldomly used, I want it to be used as a means to correct a mistake, add an extra super, or maintain pressure, x factor level 2 will have old xfactor lv.1’s damage and speed but old xfactor lv2 duration, xfactor 3 being old xfactor lv2 but with xfactor 3 duration, so 1 for strats, 2 for damage, 3 for come backs.

I think SOV just needs to be used more carefully rather than being allowed to spam it.
Personally, I like Haggar the way he is. He’s the Zangief of this game personified, and is really effective on point and as an assist. I’m not sure how much you played vanilla but that assist was really fuckin’ stupid, and I think most characters/players can still confirm off of a raw hit with no trouble. RoachKing still runs team Viscant and manages to get the pickup off of Lariat really easily. It would also make it even crazier as a crossover counter (wouldn’t need to use extra resources to combo off of it, which is the opposite of every other invincible crossover counter, to my knowledge). I think the more lenient regular throw confirms I mentioned are the only buff he needs.
The thing about Hulk’s throw is that by holding forward/back and just mashing H, you’re option selecting a throw with an armored move. Lots of characters are put at a huge disadvantage by being in his throw range, it doesn’t matter if they swing or tech the throw, they’re going to get hit or thrown, making their better option taking the throw so they don’t eat a full combo. That’s already stupid as is (no one else has that, iirc, except for Nemesis whose armor during stand H starts much later), but having that OS turn into a full combo would be totally busted. It would be a zero-sum situation for most of the cast. (Correct me if I’m wrong here, guys, I can only think of Viewtiful Joe/Mach Speed getting out of this safely, Bionic Arm even gets absorbed by the armor)
Okay, I see what you’re saying about IM and Nova now.
1.2 is still too much for Sentinel. I think he’s about on par with Taskmaster in terms of movement, offense, and defense, and giving him more health than that would allow him to take more risks than should be allowed. Also consider how all-chip normals would be for a character with a command grab. He’d have to get pushed back really far on advancing guard for them to be fair at all.
I think XF1 should still be given damage especially considering the overall damage nerf, there should be some incentive to use it and “strats” doesn’t seem like it. It’s already a one-time-use resource, you should be given more benefits for blowing it early.

edit- forgot one more system change that ought to be implemented: the removal of install+XF buff stacking. XF3 DT Vergil is too much. Hell even XF3 DT Dante is ridiculous.

About the hagger CC thing almost every invincible CC can be followed without meter(zero is the only one who needs to cancel into his install)viper,Chris,X-23, all can follow up without meter