I’ll make a separate post about it when I get home later tonight. That way I can elaborate and there’s a specific place to discuss other options/setups. hopefully I can get somebody to make a video of it too :).
That would be awesome. Which assist does it use? I hope it’s Centurion Rush, that’s what I use for unblockable setups and combo extension.
I’ve been doing the double QCF+M reset he’s talking about for a little while off the Nova DHC in very specific situations.
With your team (which is also my team).
If your first hit is off Hawkeye assist + Airdash H, which a lot will be. Here is the combo of choice for the reset + level up combo. (Need 3 meters total, around 1 2/3 to start)
Nova: Hawkeye Assist + Air H, MHS, Air MMHS, Fly, LMHS, F+H, S, Air H xx Nova Force, DHC Whiff Tools.
Frank: Nova Assist + Snapshot, QCF+M, QCF+M, Servbot super.
The hitstun scaling is just enough so they flip out of the second QCF+M just before the ground and the super catches both techs. With the level 4 OTG, this is easily enough to one touch Thor.
Gonna go look at zansam’s thread to get some solo Franks setups for the same thing now and put some work in tomorrow.
Yeah, I do the same thing with Taskmaster’s Vertical arrows (I like how they cover super jump, pretty much the only spot Frank doesn’t cover himself. You can do barrel roll left/rights while the arrows fall too) and the combo works just the same with the DHC (I put it in my post). Funniest part is if you started with 2 bars, gained a bar from the nova combo and landed the full reset you’d get right back to 2 bars if they lived long enough to survive the full combo.
Wait, you can actually combo Photo into Nova’s assist? I’ve only ever combo’d it off of a OTG roundhouse kick… do I have to call Nova asap and delay the photo as much as possible?
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You can do a cake Nova combo instead. You really just need over 50 hits to get him to level 5 when you are DHCing from Nova. Easily the simplest way I’ve seen to get level 5.
Nova definitely one of the best characters to run on point before frank. Nova uses cart to get in to damage. Frank uses dhc to level up. Its perfect for both characters.
I use Frank, Wesker, Hawkeye. At level 4 I just do any ol’ combo and then end it with dp h and the Hawkeye assist and the opponent techs in the air because of the assist. Once you get them to do that, then you’re golden. I get Frank to level 4 in one combo as well, and I’ll post that if you need it. I also have an instant level 4 using tac’s as well, but I was determined to make Frank work without strange or dorm, because I have no interest in either of them.
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^My Frank West BnB. Sorry for the poor quality. Here’s the combo annotation:
j.MMH, st.M, cr.M, st.H, cr.H, launcher, j.MMHS, qcf.H, st.H, launcher, j.MMHS, [nova assist], dp.H, qcf.M, dp.H xx qcb.AA xx dp.AA. I’d do this in symbols but it’s a pain 
EDIT:
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And here’s a FFC follow up combo. Basically identical to my BnB starting from the OTG hammer. Any adjustments you think I could make?
im trying to find a frank west combo that builds a little bit more meter (when i say little, i mean a jabs worth)
right now im using Iron Fist/Nova/Frank West just as a fun team because i like Frank West and i wanna make him work, but my main BnB builds right at 2 meters (a jab away from 2 meters) and im trying to make it build at least 2 so if i land it at the start of a match i will end up kill a char, getting frank to lvl 4, and i will have Iron Fist back on point.
this combo starts with Iron Fist on point M, H Forward H + shopping cart, green chi, wavedash in M, H, Forward H, qcf L, qcb L, qcf M, raw tag frank in, cr lmhs, air mmhs, land then jump forward qcf h, cr. h, s, air mmhs, land call nova assist camera, wait for the ground bounce then dp M, camera shot super.
i just started playing frank yesterday so i dont really know the best ways for him to build meter, i just figured this combo out from what i remember seeing from Frank players on streams
EDIT: i just figured out he had a baseball bat wallbounce move, i used it instead of the dp M move at the end and it gave me the extra bit of meter i needed, now the combo builds 2 meters and uses 3 to kill a char, so off of any clean hit with iron fist at the start of the game leads level 4 frank, iron fist back on point, and around 1,080,000 damage
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After the wall bounce from the chainsaw you could do :s:, j.:s:, j.:d::h:(makes you fall faster) and then dp :h: into super for a bit more damage.
Ok nice, thanks for that. I assume that doesn’t work on my first combo because of HSD, am I correct?
I just tested it and it does, but the timing is fairly tight. You want to hit :s: as low to the ground as possible then j.:s: asap and then the :d::h: asap as well. It only does about 45k more damage so it may not be worth it.
Guys:
What combo do you do with Frank at lvl 1 if you have no assists or XF to get instant lvl 3? I’ve seen a couple but for some reason maybe im horrible and am missing the timing for the survival techs in the air. The timing seems so character specific.
my bnb now is
CR L-CR M-CR H-S-MMHS- jump QCF H- CRH-S-MMHS-Picture-stuff
but its like 17 or 18 hits roughly. ( i forgot)
i want to get him to lvl 3 in one combo every time midscreen or corner…i do not want a corner specific combo because i have to assume they wont be in the corner every time. Other than that, i have no questions about frank or anything. Hes so easy to use once you level him up. lol.
I haven’t done it myself but have you tried going for a Light ToS Loop? That works outside the corner. Unfortunately I can’t help much more because If I have Frank 1 on point and I get a combo in, I’ll always cash the XFC to get to level 4 immediately.
Really? Why? That’s a horrible idea. If the other person saves their X Factor for their final character you will have no choice but to sit there and pray they don’t have meter/1 or 2 mix ups and anywhere CLOSE to low health for the characters on your team. the Comeback factor is still incredibly strong in this game and lvl 2 and 3 XF is still amazingly godlike. A simple 8 hit combo with most characters and you die. It is your strongest asset on your team…why wouldnt you save it when its its strongest?
I never use XF unless its for my final character or 2nd to last for a character i REALLY hate fighting.
I don’t trust my hawkeye’s comeback potential as much as a Level 4 Frank with Hawkeye’s assist and some leftover lvl2 X-Factor. Plus if my Frank came in at level 1, it probably means my nova took a huge beating, so I probably have at least 3-4 bars to spend. level1 relaunch bnb, snapshot xx Blue Light Special XFC (dash backwards) Medium Roundhouse Kick, snapshot xx level 4 Tools of Survival does enough damage to ToD lower health people, or kill a lot of people who aren’t full health. That leaves me with a level 4 Frank with about 5-10 seconds of XFactor to do a mixup/pressure on the incoming character and if he gets a full combo in, he can probably do about 1.000 damage not taking into account the boost from level 2 xfactor. Guess what, now I have a level 5 Frank (because I ended my previous combo with a snapshot) and a full health hawkeye to fight the incoming anchor and potentially lame him out if he goes for level 3 XFC (frank is good at laming people out with those long-ass normals). So yeah, I don’t see how it’s a horrible idea. It’s all about team composition or rather, how much you trust yourself with a character. I don’t trust myself to make a huge comeback with a hawkeye on level 3 x-factor unless the enemy is just too weak and without xfactor and all I have to do is chip him with triple arrow into gimlet. I’d much rather have an immediate level 4 Frank West and abuse those normals and damage potential while using Hawkeye’s triple arrow assist to help me get in on someone, or improve my lame-out game.
I would love to play your team.
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Using lvl 2 XF is a risk where you “hope” your mix up works and you will get your damage in. If you mess up…the other person has the advantage because now you have no other options but to block while they use XF in lvl 3. However, you are always guaranteed you will have a lvl 3 XF and a defense against anything at the end of the match. If you both have XF at the end of the match you can say you lost to the player…not the BS brokenness of XF lvl 3.
Good player to watch who uses XF poorly is actually Marlinpie. There have been plenty of matches where he XF cancels and misses a combo and then someone activates the XF in lvl 3 and then he loses a round. This has happened to me too and im sure it has to you.
It’s like comparing it to chess…you send out the weaker players first and save your best pieces at the end. XF in lvl 3 is the best tool that ANYONE and ANY character has. Why wouldnt you want to use the games best mechanic to its full potential?
Not to be rude but if you aren’t confident in your hawkeye as your anchor in XF3 than you should play another character as your anchor. You are wasting a character slot. Anchors are meant to be your comeback lvl 3 XF freakazoid characters.
Why would you gamble on killing a character later when you can kill them RIGHT NOW and get a mixup on the incoming character - instead of just doing half life on one character and being back at neutral?
I could find so many examples of top players using level 1/2 xfactor to kill the point character. TEAM SYNERGY is the most important part of Marvel, some teams are boned if you can ToD their point character.
You should always get something out of your Xfactor, but telling someone to never xfactor with level 1 or 2 is just wrong. You’ve never had someone fly away from you as Magneto for an entire level 3 xfactor have you?
People! I want to see Frank players step up their game! Why are Franks not adding Lights into their Aerial Combos when we all know the hit counter is what makes you level up! Especially if you are taking multiple snapshots in a combo, adding 2 lights becomes 4 PP if you take 2! That can mean a HUGE difference (sometimes from 3 to 4!).
I will be releasing some combos, i’m not saying that i am the master of Frank West when it comes to combos, but i do not think people are playing this character with their head on straight!
@HateToWin:
You could of added ATLEAST 2 more hits into your combo quite easily! Not by adding Lights but after the wall bounce instead of ending with picture, relaunch then asap J.S! Use Dive Knee to fall back down asap then Snapshot Super! More damage more PP, everyone wins!
(and you could add some lights in there if you really want the extra PP, but consider the damage scaling!)
Sorry, PS3 owner here, don’t have an Xbox.
Yes it has, of course. But that’s where not messing up comes in. There’s a big difference between making a poor call and making a seemingly good call and failing to execute it. A couple of time I’ve XFC’d Blue Light Special only to miss my roundhouse kick, but that’s my fault for messing things up but I don’t think it makes my X-Factor using habits any less valid.
Honestly I just think you’re being too narrow-minded about the uses of X-Factor. Yes, it’s mostly a comeback mechanic, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you have to absolutely keep it as your last resource. I find level 4 Frank with X-Factor level 2 to be very powerful so I’m not afraid to cash it in.
Oh you can definitely argue that I’m a very bad Hawkeye. Not only he’s the most recent character on my team, he’s also the least used one. In a huge majority of my games, Nova and Frank (mostly Frank) do all the dirty business and Hawkeye is just there to spam triple arrows as an assist and honestly, while I know he can offer me much more, until I think that’s not enough, he’ll stay that way. If I’m to be honest, I’ve also not been playing this as seriously since there haven’t been many tournaments here lately. Chances are when a new tournament is announced around here, I’ll start playing some sessions with Hawkeye on point to get more used with him so I can abuse his level 3 x-factor retardedness. But I still stand by my point, cashing in a level 2 X-Factor to go from 0 PP to an immediate level 4 Frank and probably killing the enemy character is worth it.