That type of reset into FFC is day one and is the absolute worst type of reset for it. You’re going to hit a good player with it once maximum and then they’re just going to tech forward or do a bunch of other things to beat it. Look at the thread about inescapable FFC resets, with a Nova team it’s super easy to set them up, you just need to save your Tools Ms for the end. (which you should be doing anyway)
Hey, I think I finally found a use for Firebrand’s Massive Hitstun decaying OTG assist.
Looks like the OTG fireball decays hitstun so friggin badly that the opponent instantly flips out of the attack upon hit.
Level 3+ Frank can use this for FFC unblockable resets I guess?
I’m not a Frank main (He’s my secondary). But isn’t something I should use?
All right, thanks. I’ll take a look. Gotta optimize my frank combos anyhow… Just keep on not finding a good way to combo into Tools M due to hitstun decay. ^^
With the Nova assist you can always get your two Tools Ms at the end after the groundbounce, which is conveniently what sets up the dirty inescapable resets. Who’s your other assist?
Level 3+ Frank has inescapable FFC Resets anyway.
If your execution is up to par, use Firebrand’s OTG in conjunction with a Charged L Zombie–> Roll–> Release H Zombie.
Right now I’m up in the air… I’ve been using Doom missiles, but right now I’m looking to make the switch to Vergil (Rapid Slash, probably). Better assist, and essentially a better anchor in every conceivable way with level 3 Xfactor than doom. I mean, my anchor doom is no slouch, but he’s not the kind of character fit to run your ass over the way vergil is known of doing. That is, assuming I can get the hang of his combos. His dirty, dirty combos. Also, tools m? The wallbounce?
Meanwhile… I’ve been working on my new Vergil team, trying to get level 4 off one hit from Frank/Vergil/Nova or Frank/Nova/Vergil (Nova/Frank/Vergil is simple, Vergil/Frank/Nova I don’t have any combos with Vergil yet). Here’s the latter; only works if you start in or close to the corner (unfortunately):
2A 2B 2C 5S j.A j.A j.M j.M j.H j.S Assist 2 (rapid slash) 236S 5S j.B j.B j.C j.S Assist 1 (Centurion Rush) 236S 5S j.S j.2C 236S xx 214AA.
The launch combo after rapid slash is a pain in the ass, though, and I’m open to alternative suggestions. Should probably just try to TAC Nova in. 
Optionally, you can do a way more simple combo, and then DHC through after Survival Instincts with Supernova -> devil trigger, and then raw tag for the 100+ snapshot, although if you have 3 bars and Vergil in your team, your really ought to be killing characters. With Vergil second, you can do this (or sup jump tools H in for the rapid slash snapshot) into devil trigger -> raw tag for much easier points. Also it is waaaayyyy too late for me to think about combos. I spent all night reading this thread, the vergil thread, and oh my god it’s suddenly 4 AM and I’m still trying to do those stupid rising sun links.
Uh, no. Definitely not.
My advice is stick with Nova/Frank/Doom Missiles, it’s my exact team at the moment and it’s disgusting. Nova/Vergil/Frank is sick, but i see it as a more high level team than you seem ready for. Having missiles to rely on for a while will probably help you out a lot. Plus i can give you some insane damage combos with really simple execution. (my execution is poor, and i primarily play online, so that’s always kind of my aim)
Well, not better in general, but for this team, I mean… I was playing for a while online with the Vergil team, and while I can’t do shit for combos, I still got a hell of a lot of mileage out of just the magic series and helm breaker. :lol: Which is kinda sad, when you think about it. But after about 5 hours in training mode with nothing to show from it… Ugh. Fuck it. Do not care enough.
What kinda stuff do you with missiles that’s special? I can get two snapshots off the missiles, but that’s about all… They just mess up my Nova combos.
for some reason im having problems linking the light zombie toss, to st. H. Dont understand why they keep flipping out
L zombie toss hits more than once; it’s the last hit that’s the soft knockdown, and sometimes the others hits don’t provide enough hitstun decay to combo. It’s usually based on height + hitstun decay.
im trying 2 learn the optimal combos thecape put up, and i cant do it to save my life
you need to do the zombie earlier, after the air TOS H you recover instantly as you touch the ground so you can input the zombie earlier than seems natural
ill give it a try, thx alot!
For the L Zombie toss it actually works at all levels of decay. You have to jumping ToSH so that it hits as low to the ground as possible. This way the spinning hit and the throwing hit hit so quickly that its hard to tell them apart.
Are you Cape from the Brawl+ forums?
Answered a million times, but yes.
Maybe I should just change my signature to say I used to play smash.
Oh cool, I’m BPC from the Brawl- forums. ^^ And hey, I dunno shit like this. :lol:
Not sure if this has been answered but I haven’t really found much. Is there any way to get a big damage/extended combo confirm after using a j.MMS on a Jam Session confirm? I can’t really figure out too much I can do other than just end with roundhouse xx super which is like 400k before super since I use up my ground bounce.
Is trying for a FFC reset the best option in most cases?
In the corner you can do Jump M xx L Tools x 2, Air H (land) S, Air MMH xx L Tools, MS, Tools H, Tools M, Tools M xx Super. Which does about 570 pre-super from memory. It’s also an inescapable FFC setup after the second Tools M.
Outside of the corner you can do Jump MM xx Tools, S, MHS, MMH xx L Tools MS which does about 470. If you get a really clean confirm you can still get the corner starter though, it’s just unreliable in a real match IMO. If you confirm the Jam hit early enough you can even do Dash Forward or Roll into a Stand M ground confirm, but again, hard to do consistently.
I started using Frank as a secondary on my team with Ryu and Chun-li, and I want to know the experts opinions, what are some useful BnB combos for Frank or a decent assist to use? Only real one I know is Dangerous Cart, & L M S M M H L Tools of Survival, M L tools of surival again, then S, then into Camera and the Cart Super.