^Pool O was ran fine for what the judges were given. Gerald did a good job of not DQ’ing anybody until matches HAD to be played for the bracket to continue. Granted it was oddly ran having both winners and losers running at the same time. That is not a smart way to run such a large bracket efficiently in such a small place. With what they had pool O did just fine.
Pool N, the grossness and player favoritism that came out of that pool is astounding. I know a player that paused in that pool, did some shady talking and got to restart the match EVEN THOUGH HE PAUSED and was LOSING. Seriously if the rules are you pause you lose the round then is the is a 1P or 2P pause (clearly seen on the menu that pops up) then 1P or 2P should lose no matter who they are, if their stick is fuckin up, or if the judge doesn’t know what the fuck the rules are or what he’s doing.
There are bound to be some problems like this in a tournament as large as EVO. We could avoid them by hiring judges and flying them out to Vegas in advance for an intensive 3-day training session, but then we’d have to raise the price of the tournament dramatically to cover that cost. Generally, these situations are few and far between and it’s not worth raising the price for everyone else when there’s already a simple remedy:
Know the rules! If you’re upset with a rule violation the judge is ignoring or a ruling he’s made against you, appeal to the Tournament Director (me) and I’ll get it straightened out. Everyone has the right to appeal a decision, and you should do so if you think you’re being treated unfairly.
I’d like to understand more why people think we’re biased in favor of top players. Here are two real world examples of rulings I made against top players last weekend:
Justin Wong was incorrectly informed that the Winner’s Final in TvC would be 3/5 rounds before beginning the match. After losing the first 2/3 rounds and being behind in the 5th, a judge realized his error and stopped the match. Our ruling was that Justin should lose the match.
Sanford Kelly did not understand the rule for stopping a match to fix incorrectly configured buttons. When down 0-1 rounds, Sanford paused the 2nd round to fix his buttons. This resulted in an automatic loss of the round (and the game!), putting his opponent up 1 game to 0. Sanford didn’t understand the ramifications of the rule until the middle of the next game, when he’d lost his opportunity to switch off Viper. The ruling was that Sanford had to remain down 0-1 games and must stick with Viper since progress had already been made in the 2nd game.
With regard to seeding, only 32 players out of the entire field were given special placement in their pools. Everyone else was placed into their brackets randomly. If everyone had been placed randomly, many of the most exciting matches seen on stage on Saturday may have occurred in pools or even not at all. If GamerBee is going to beat Justin Wong in the tournament, we think it’s better for the players, the attendees, and everyone watching the live stream that it happen on the big screen in front of a large audience during prime time. This is impossible without seeding.
That’s actually on you man. ALWAYS confirm with the judge that you played your match whether you win or lose. I mean it sucks since this was your first evo but that’s something that’s your responsibility and not Rico or the judge. Live and learn.
That’s actually on you man. ALWAYS confirm with the judge that you played your match whether you win or lose. I mean it sucks since this was your first evo but that’s something that’s your responsibility and not Rico or the judge. Live and learn.
I was running Pool O and yes I did run it oddly but I told people not to leave. Also that wasn’t the first pool that I ran. I ran pool G that morning as well so my voice was finished. I was very lenient on DQ’ing people because I understand that people have traveled far. I had everybody yelling out names of the players so if you got DQ’ed then it was your own fault. There were a couple of instances where I would call a name and they wouldn’t be there. I did not DQ anybody until they held up the bracket. the point is is that if you came to Evo to play in the tournament then stay at the area where the tournament is. I don’t need to justify the way I ran the bracket because I finished running the pools with over an hour to spare.
For those that complain about how it was ran, why didn’t you volunteer to be a judge. No matter how the tourney was ran there will always be complaints. If we run it structured then we should expect everyone to be there at the time they are called. Of course it does not work that way and someone will always have to wait because of someone else.
I was in Pool G, and I want to share my experience with Shadow Blanka. Pool G started really late because the judges did not have the bracket. Despite the pressure to catch up, Shadow Blanka was patient and very reluctant to DQ people. People at the pools were helping him call out names so that the names were heard. When I heard him that he wanted to DQ someone, it was because the person didn’t show up after being called within a 30 minutes period. Now, I understand that Pool G is not Pool O, but I doubt Shadow Blanka would run the pools differently.
I was one of the judges for pool N, and I’d like to share my side of the story.
Nobody was DQ’d without extensive waiting and calling. Every person who was DQ’d in the first 3 hours of the bracket was done so with specific permission given by tournament officials. Even people who never showed up weren’t DQ’d until we encountered a situation where the bracket could not continue without a result from a match.
I do feel for you if you did not hear your name being called, but there is only so much I can do when someone doesn’t respond. There were over 100 players in my pool, so I can’t realistically track each one down and be aware of their positions at all times. It could be that the position that you were sitting in muffled my voice, but I can assure you that we did try to call everyone many many times, and you were not DQ’d while waiting in line for the main screen, but rather much after that.
Concerning the favoritism claim, I wasn’t present for the pausing incident, but I was told that the ruling was made by tournament staff and not the other judge. Decisions that I made were not influenced by the popularity of players involved.
I’m sorry man, but that just is not true. Every person who got a warning mark for not responding to a call was called at least a dozen times before being DQ’d. You were sitting behind me and around a corner, so it is very possible that you didn’t hear, but I have several witnesses who can verify that your name was indeed called many times during the tournament.
For the record, I was in the pool too, altho’ I was 2 and out.
The judges were VERY CLEAR that they were taking matches as they came, winners and losers, so I don’t know where you got the idea they said ‘winners first’.
now i am a novice to the tourney scene but even i know that win or lose, always tell a judge what the outcome was. sucks for you dude getting dq’d, but, “them’s the breaks kid.” also, “now you know, and knowing is half the battle.”
I’d also like to throw my hat into the running to be a judge next year to help out. i missed out this year because i’ve had problems with both of my hands this last past year. i ended up having surgery on both, two weeks apart, 4 weeks before EVO.
So let me get this straight, apparently you played your match with Rico and apparently you were later DQed because they said you never showed up to play your match? And you didn’t confirm your result with the judge? Because if not then I would see reporting results as an important guideline for newbies. My first EVO is going to be next year hopefully and I’d really like to have a sort of Survival guide
I was also in Pool N and these statements are true. People’s names got called SO many times before anyone got DQ’d. People were actually joking about it at some point about how often people got called before getting DQ’d. Hopefully you (Fiercenauk) learned so it doesn’t happen next time, but nothing unfair was done to you by anyone.
I’m sorry, but I heard my name called. I did my pool assignment and was disqualified while waiting in line, because, I’m assuming the judges forgot. I’m not complaining I didn’t hear my name. I’m complaining that I did was YOU told me to do, and was disqualified for it. Even when the judge was apologizing I argued for a minute, then shook his hand and I understand that mistakes happen. You calling me a liar is not appreciated.
You were not disqualified “while waiting in line”. No line is 3 hours long. Rico was not DQ’d, nor was he ever in the five minute warning phase, and we weren’t permitted to DQ anyone before the pool was in a position where it could not continue. In order for people to be DQ’d without the pool being unable to continue, specific permission had to be obtained from a tournament director, and this was always done by their opponent. Therefore, if Rico did not go to the tournament staff in order to get you DQd (he did not), then you were either DQ’d from the losers bracket OR the pool could no longer continue without you.
The claim that you were DQ’d while waiting in line for a match is false. We did not DQ a single person without waiting several hours for them. Feel free to ask other people in pool N who were quite irritated over how long it took for us to DQ people that they were supposed to fight. By the time you spoke to me about your placement, the winners bracket was almost completed and we had gone through around 3-4 rounds of losers (with some variation). That is a long time to not see a player, so it shouldn’t bee too surprising that you were DQ’d during this 4 hour period.
I understand that you’re irritated, but there is only so much the judging staff can do if we call a name over and over for hours and we don’t get a response. Sitting behind us and around a corner probably isn’t the best place to be if you need to hear your name in a loud room, and if you haven’t been called to play in three hours, it might be a good idea to become proactive and see what’s going on.
I was told I was disqualified for not showing up against Rico Suave, which I did. Rico was automatically moved to winners bracket, my name was NOT called in losers bracket. Heck, the guy I was sitting further from me had his name called twice, mine was not called outside of the Rico Suave match. We talked a bit, and even he was listening for my name.