My final stand. (tl;dr)

[System_1]

1. you probably read and study too much.
2. you don’t try to feel the opponent. you try to play the match-up too much and not the opponent. this is important especially if you play online a lot. during online sessions there’s a lot of time when i don’t play the match-up cause i know my opponent doesn’t know the match-up or i know they’ll be reckless (90% of the players).
3. your basics are probably crap. most of the time when people study this stuff and still lose a lot it’s cause their basic sucks hard. anti-airs especially. cover that and you’ll win 40% of your matches already online.
4. trying to put everything in your game at once. practice/focus on one thing during a match works better for me. ex. one day i might be focusing more on footsies, zoning, etc. then another day i might work more on mix-ups.

I’m going to second all of this. ESPECIALLY 1 and 3. Reading is a good thing to do, learn your stuff, get it down, but you can read all day and never win another match for the rest of your life if you cant put into practice what you’ve learned from reading.

Also, going back to the basics is incredibly important. In the past I felt fairly confident in the fact that I was a decent player, but I wasn’t where I wanted to be, so I spent a certain amount of time in the past learning advanced techniques and realizing they did me no good, so I got frustrated like you are right now. I felt like I’d hit a wall and wasn’t able to improve anymore. A building is only as strong as it’s foundation, remember that. Building up a ton of advanced knowledge wont help you at all if you never block or get thrown all day because you don’t try to tech out of them. Brushing up on my basics got me past the hard spot I was in and maybe it’ll help you too.

I guess the last thing I wanna point out is after I read your post (and yes, I read every word of it.) I noticed “Avoid scrubby tactics gets beat by players abusing tactics I previously avoided.” If you’re avoiding something that’s working for someone else on you, maybe it’s not so scrubby? Don’t short yourself on learning something new just because you feel it’s “cheap/scrubby”. At the end of the day, you can call someone who beat you “scrubby” as much as you want but fact of the matter is, you still got served, and that’s all the other player (and everyone else) will care about. If someone has a weakness, exploit it, regardless of what they or anyone else thinks about how cheap it is. It’s their fault for not employing the same tactic or covering their weak spots.

[System_1]

Add me to your PSN (name: DHYSTOPIA) if you want someone to practice with. If you want an outside perspective, play other people and get their feedback. Any reply you get in this thread is theory until they actually see you play.

[Dander]

Dude if you wanna get better at this game you gotta whine harder and practice less.

[Alex305]

Practice blocking for a few days, or however long is necessary for you to get a read on what people like to do. It may not win you a whole lot of matches initially, but if you spend enough time focusing on just defense, you’ll see patterns begin to emerge in the way most people attack. I truly believe that blocking is the best option in almost every unknown situation, and while this is crippling to me to some extent, it’s allowing me the opportunity to learn all of the various aspects of the game without handing rounds over to my opponent in the process. Here’s the blueprint for most of the Ryu and Kens of the world:

1.) Poke, waiting for the inevitable jump in.
2.) AA when they do so.
3.) If they don’t jump in or the situation doesn’t call for it, block low and watch them SRK.
4.) Walk up and throw.
5.) Rinse and repeat.

90%+ of the people you meet in ranked are just flat out not any good at the game, and while my win percentage isn’t above or at said mark, I can say that with an absolute certainty despite that.

Now, for better players you’re obviously going to need to work a little bit harder, but in the time you’re spending on focusing on blocking, you’ll start to notice their habits and attack patterns aswell, which will slowly lead you into the deeper aspects of the game. Bottom line though, if you’re getting hit with unsafe specials left and right, you’re simply not focusing enough on blocking, and if you put emphasis on that for just a few days, incorporating it as a natural part of your game from there on out will happen seamlessly.

Sorry if I’m repeating something already mentioned in this post, but I didn’t see anything like this and felt it needed to be said. Turtling up slows the game down, and for someone that’s trying to learn and develop in all aspects, the ability to do so without very much effort is a God send. Use it to your advantage.

I’m blocking more to feel out the opponent but sometimes if the player is good or very offensive they can quickly block me into a corner and with Dee Jay that is the most unpleasant situation ever but i’m turtling it up its helping me out. Dee Jay pokes are okay but I usually get out poked.

alex, if you’re consistently dropping simple combos, then you haven’t practiced them enough, or lag is killing you.

go into training mode, and grind the combo until you can do it like 25 times in a row without mistakes or like a hundred times with 5 or less mistakes. just pick a high number and do the combo that many times. then set the dummy to cpu and a moderate to high difficulty and work on punishing the random ultras and whiffed DPs with it. if you’re able to nail the CPU with it consistently but drop it online then you’re just getting owned by lag

My punishers are usually 2 in 1’s i got them down trust me but I think its lag. I only play green bar unless i’m desperate then I’ll try yellow.

I’m going to second all of this. ESPECIALLY 1 and 3. Reading is a good thing to do, learn your stuff, get it down, but you can read all day and never win another match for the rest of your life if you cant put into practice what you’ve learned from reading.

Also, going back to the basics is incredibly important. In the past I felt fairly confident in the fact that I was a decent player, but I wasn’t where I wanted to be, so I spent a certain amount of time in the past learning advanced techniques and realizing they did me no good, so I got frustrated like you are right now. I felt like I’d hit a wall and wasn’t able to improve anymore. A building is only as strong as it’s foundation, remember that. Building up a ton of advanced knowledge wont help you at all if you never block or get thrown all day because you don’t try to tech out of them. Brushing up on my basics got me past the hard spot I was in and maybe it’ll help you too.

I guess the last thing I wanna point out is after I read your post (and yes, I read every word of it.) I noticed “Avoid scrubby tactics gets beat by players abusing tactics I previously avoided.” If you’re avoiding something that’s working for someone else on you, maybe it’s not so scrubby? Don’t short yourself on learning something new just because you feel it’s “cheap/scrubby”. At the end of the day, you can call someone who beat you “scrubby” as much as you want but fact of the matter is, you still got served, and that’s all the other player (and everyone else) will care about. If someone has a weakness, exploit it, regardless of what they or anyone else thinks about how cheap it is. It’s their fault for not employing the same tactic or covering their weak spots.

I’ve come to accept this I am not mad they took me out with what I would call scrubby. Usually its unsafe shit or the simple patterns.I am those type of players that usually don’t change much skill wise when fighting. I used to use cheap tactics to beat clueless players but in the end that playstyle stuck with me and some things became a habit totally fucked my game up.I gotta find a noob killer tactic blocking and punishing only goes so far.I accept every loss. My attitude towards that is “you beat me but that ain’t a win you are going to brag about to your friend.”

Add me to your PSN (name: DHYSTOPIA) if you want someone to practice with. If you want an outside perspective, play other people and get their feedback. Any reply you get in this thread is theory until they actually see you play.

Will do! I’ll add you when I can.My PSN and XBL is is true feel free to add me! I don’t have fighters for 360 I want to get SSF4 though.

Dude if you wanna get better at this game you gotta whine harder and practice less.

Dumbass posts like this I was waiting for. Everybody is helping in even taking time out of their lives to provide feedback for a player they never seen in action being Positive trying to keep me in the game.But your dumbass wrote a comment like that and showed me you have nothing better to do with your time. Its not even funny seeing the quality of your post compared to others,positive negative or critical. It was a rant why all of a sudden people seem to forget the meaning of whine.

[BlueCloud]

I gotta find a noob killer tactic blocking and punishing only goes so far.

Dude, this is like the exact wrong approach. Work on fundamentals, not a superficial trick that’ll only beat noobs. Blocking and punishing should take you extremely far, if you’re actually blocking and punishing.

[shoultzula]

Dumbass posts like this I was waiting for. Everybody is helping in even taking time out of their lives to provide feedback for a player they never seen in action being Positive trying to keep me in the game.But your dumbass wrote a comment like that and showed me you have nothing better to do with your time. Its not even funny seeing the quality of your post compared to others,positive negative or critical. It was a rant why all of a sudden people seem to forget the meaning of whine.

I think I will start calling ssf4, cry baby fighter. I haven’t seen this many people complain about being crappy EVER and you guys are playing an easier version of SF, its ridiculous. Not only this thread but there have been countless others just like this. If you need someone to tell you don’t quit, you don’t have what it takes because a great player will constantly push themselves.

STFU and man the fuck up. Only bitches cry.

blocking and punishing only goes so far? that shit is fundamentally basic to any game. That shit will lead you to the top that how far it goes. I don’t even know why you choose to argue if you’re so bad @ fighting games. You should take everything here and use it and say thank you, even dandy J who served it up raw and uncooked.

you say you’re garbage but then you will argue with what tactics are practical? come the fuck on. A students roll is to listen, not talk.

[Dander]

Dude if you wanna get better at this game you gotta whine smarter and practice abstinence.

[Alex305]

Dude, this is like the exact wrong approach. Work on fundamentals, not a superficial trick that’ll only beat noobs. Blocking and punishing should take you extremely far, if you’re actually blocking and punishing.

Sorry,yeah I’ve been working on my stuff having a clear mind and keeping it simple has moved me far today. Thanks for your help and to all others who posted. I know whats wrong now I block too much to the point I’ve become predictable and I am not swift and reactive with my punishes. The training dummy can only teach so much so with this new outlook I had WAY more success but I have to work on types of players now and I’m set like runaways,turtles,rushdowns,grabbers and spammers. I’ll also ignore posts that don’t mean much.

[Dime]

lol at all the trolls… alex dont listen to them, they probably suck and have the same win/loss % as you but just want to be dipshits that espouse tough love… lol.

basically your problem in a nutshell is slow reactions and online play. the same problem that i have… the difference is that i WILL, resort to scrubbusters like spamming ibukis slide move that setsup her vortex… online i will do that all day till my opponent does someting for me to stop it… offline i NEVER do it unless its in reaction to a fireball or in a combo.

as someone stated earlier, you are trying to play matchups and not people… trying to get better by playing morons as if they are smart isnt going to get you very far… ESPECIALLY online.

the good advice that you were given already in this thread, i will repeat for emphasis:

BLOCK MORE.

yeah they will start to throw you or cross you up, do overheads… big deal… even online you should to be able to block the scariest crossups on reaction… (not dudleys… that shit is ultra fast)

basically you just want to see what yur opponents offense is… why press buttons and give him a counterhit opportunity when you could just block and make him throw you? if you make the opponent throw you you’ve also made him expose his cards… a truly great offensive player wont need to throw you much at all or do overheads in order to hit you. its those that arent great that will need to resort to obvious things like that in order to win… and you can use that to your advantage cause most people are VERY predictable about when they want to throw or do an overhead… i am… and so are most players. use it to your advantage… read havs article on blocking and turtling… its very good.

and most of all get the hell offline… if your reactions arent top tier and your just average in pattern reading intelligence… i dont belive that anyone with those skills will EVER amount to anything from playing online… whereas offline you can still become a decent force of destruction with those same skills… it works for me anyways.

and lastly… sorry to say this but its completely true… as sandford has said on video:

“IF YOU WANNA WIN, PICK A TOP TIER”

dee jay is not top tier… your only going to win with him consistently against tournament level opponents if YOU ARE TOP TIER…

you arent good as you readily admit, so you are shooting yourself in the foot by playing a hard to use/ win with character character. i would suggest rufus at least as a secondary… you may not like it… but you are here to WIN right? getting better is sometimes as simple as picking a better character.

-dime

[Dander]

if you wanna win, don’t listen to this guy ^

[MrLonely]

Don’t worry about the fact that you’re getting beaten while turtling up. The point is to develop blocking skills and slow the flow of the game down enough for you to actually learn, not to win. Don’t worry about winning until you have a base level understanding of what to expect from the majority of people you face, and the best way to build said knowledge is to be defensive and observe. Now, that’s not to say you should only block, but focus on finding relatively safe counters, eliminate taking damage you shouldn’t, and getting the basic fundamentals of the game down.

In otherwords, if you see a huge opening, take it. If you don’t know what you’re dealing with, block and get a decent understanding of what it is before knowing how to respond. As for getting chucked around the stage: Most people ( most being the key word ) tend to throw in the same set of instances. If they lay into you with a combo or two and don’t get anywhere, walk up and throw is probably coming. If you consistently block on wake-up, they’ll probably try it then aswell. Pick up and observe these patterns aswell and tech accordingly.

[MrLonely]

Oh, and blocking + punishing aswell as consistent and solid AA shuts down/ruins the VAST majority of players online. If you believe this doesn’t work, then you probably aren’t doing it right ( ie: not punishing hard enough, blocking properly, letting people jump in for free, etc. etc. )

[Alex305]

lol at all the trolls… alex dont listen to them, they probably suck and have the same win/loss % as you but just want to be dipshits that espouse tough love… lol.

basically your problem in a nutshell is slow reactions and online play. the same problem that i have… the difference is that i WILL, resort to scrubbusters like spamming ibukis slide move that setsup her vortex… online i will do that all day till my opponent does someting for me to stop it… offline i NEVER do it unless its in reaction to a fireball or in a combo.

as someone stated earlier, you are trying to play matchups and not people… trying to get better by playing morons as if they are smart isnt going to get you very far… ESPECIALLY online.

the good advice that you were given already in this thread, i will repeat for emphasis:

BLOCK MORE.

yeah they will start to throw you or cross you up, do overheads… big deal… even online you should to be able to block the scariest crossups on reaction… (not dudleys… that shit is ultra fast)

basically you just want to see what yur opponents offense is… why press buttons and give him a counterhit opportunity when you could just block and make him throw you? if you make the opponent throw you you’ve also made him expose his cards… a truly great offensive player wont need to throw you much at all or do overheads in order to hit you. its those that arent great that will need to resort to obvious things like that in order to win… and you can use that to your advantage cause most people are VERY predictable about when they want to throw or do an overhead… i am… and so are most players. use it to your advantage… read havs article on blocking and turtling… its very good.

and most of all get the hell offline… if your reactions arent top tier and your just average in pattern reading intelligence… i dont belive that anyone with those skills will EVER amount to anything from playing online… whereas offline you can still become a decent force of destruction with those same skills… it works for me anyways.

and lastly… sorry to say this but its completely true… as sandford has said on video:

“IF YOU WANNA WIN, PICK A TOP TIER”

dee jay is not top tier… your only going to win with him consistently against tournament level opponents if YOU ARE TOP TIER…

you arent good as you readily admit, so you are shooting yourself in the foot by playing a hard to use/ win with character character. i would suggest rufus at least as a secondary… you may not like it… but you are here to WIN right? getting better is sometimes as simple as picking a better character.

-dime

Tiers only really matter to tournament players with high skill.Rufus wouldn’t be the best choice if I’m learning how to be defensive But those are just my thoughts without too much experience.I’m going to up my blocking game too. I was about 65% defensive 35% offensive. I have to bring my offense down to a minimum. I don’t want to only win but to have fun with challenging matches and cool players not getting my ass handed to me over and over by just anybody.Its only this game too I played other fighters too although I quit most of them but if you didn’t what you were doing in alpha or 3rd strike you were dead this game however is different.

Don’t worry about the fact that you’re getting beaten while turtling up. The point is to develop blocking skills and slow the flow of the game down enough for you to actually learn, not to win. Don’t worry about winning until you have a base level understanding of what to expect from the majority of people you face, and the best way to build said knowledge is to be defensive and observe. Now, that’s not to say you should only block, but focus on finding relatively safe counters, eliminate taking damage you shouldn’t, and getting the basic fundamentals of the game down.

In otherwords, if you see a huge opening, take it. If you don’t know what you’re dealing with, block and get a decent understanding of what it is before knowing how to respond. As for getting chucked around the stage: Most people ( most being the key word ) tend to throw in the same set of instances. If they lay into you with a combo or two and don’t get anywhere, walk up and throw is probably coming. If you consistently block on wake-up, they’ll probably try it then aswell. Pick up and observe these patterns aswell and tech accordingly.Oh, and blocking + punishing aswell as consistent and solid AA shuts down/ruins the VAST majority of players online. If you believe this doesn’t work, then you probably aren’t doing it right ( ie: not punishing hard enough, blocking properly, letting people jump in for free, etc. etc. )

I’m doing it wrong I think…I need to block more and see if I can find a normal with deejay i can AA with without trading. Light up kicks traded with J.Hk with a Cody player 3 times in a row. Trading in his favor.I bet he was laughing his ass off.

[strogg]

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Try this. You can thank me later.

[Kooper]

If you want feel free to play me on PSN (though I prefer X360). Just drop me a message on AIM if possible and I’ll be more than happy to play against you for extended lengths of time. Seeing how you’re in Miami our connection should be pretty good as well.

[RD_Blade]

If you want feel free to play me on PSN (though I prefer X360). Just drop me a message on AIM if possible and I’ll be more than happy to play against you for extended lengths of time. Seeing how you’re in Miami our connection should be pretty good as well.

Same here.

[Dander]

I just got snitched on.

lol

[RD_Blade]

I just got snitched on.

lol

LOL! “Be nicer, practice posting less.”

[BullDancer]

I think I will start calling ssf4, cry baby fighter. I haven’t seen this many people complain about being crappy EVER and you guys are playing an easier version of SF, its ridiculous. Not only this thread but there have been countless others just like this. If you need someone to tell you don’t quit, you don’t have what it takes because a great player will constantly push themselves.

STFU and man the fuck up. Only bitches cry.

blocking and punishing only goes so far? that shit is fundamentally basic to any game. That shit will lead you to the top that how far it goes. I don’t even know why you choose to argue if you’re so bad @ fighting games. You should take everything here and use it and say thank you, even dandy J who served it up raw and uncooked.

you say you’re garbage but then you will argue with what tactics are practical? come the fuck on. A students roll is to listen, not talk.

/wins thread… play more, bitch less… from the way your opening post sounds, you’re talking from a place of superiority although you said you’re no good???..

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Try this. You can thank me later.

You’re trying to make the poor guy have a heart attack, I can’t even get Magneto’s basic BnB’s down yet(yes the ones that the opponent can roll out of)… Airdash hp, c.lk, c.hk is giving me the most difficult fucking time because I always do the hp too late before the active frames hit…

[Dander]

LOL! “Be nicer, practice posting less.”

now we know who did it

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