I didnt know you couldnt land it on the heavies.
That sucks.
I see lots of Sents s.RH on characters that are in the air, wether is just be an attempt at a random air combo, or some sort of anti air.
I think that Cykes inf should be a big part of his gameplay.
It shouldnt dominate his gameplay like Ironmans inf, but I really feel that it should be a part of every Cyke’s repetoire.
Dude…no. Cable having “too much confidence in J.Roundhouse” agrument is completely impossible. You mean to tell me that Cable is going to just jump up and throw a grenade and let Cyke wave dash under him? What, no other assists to prevent him from doing so? Watch a vid of Rodolfo’s Cable/Sent-A and tell me you’ll get in like that.
Oh, and when did Sentinel’s strategy involve trying to anti-air jump-ins that have higher priority than his launcher? Whatever happend to Stomp’o’rama? Sentinel’s main strategies won’t even allow Cyke to hit him in a way that will put him into an infinite.
Shows how much you know about CapCom. When you say “US”, do you mean the top US players, or are you just referring to your local arcade? Cuz you gotta travel to see the best of everything.
So what exactly is the argument here? Cyke is overrated or underrated? Time for my .02 if anyone really cares. I personally believe that Cyke is underrated on point. People are usually putting him 2nd or 3rd in team order mainly for his AAA and its ability to set up a variety of combos and supers. So I see no point playing Cyke/Sent/Cable when that doesn’t work like Cable/Sent/Cyke. But if you put Cyke on a team in which it strives with him being on point (I don’t know Cyke-oriented teams btw), then I guess you have a valid argument. But I usually use Cyke for his AAA and can play him decently on point. I guess my question is…
Do people use Cyke mainly for his AAA, his point play, or both???
I put him in the middle when I play sometimes with Storm/Cyke/Doom. If you gotta switch out Storm or you lose her, Cyke on point with Doom backing him up makes a damn strong team. I think he’s very underrated.
Ok so I prolly havent seen the US best CapCom, but seriously, this guy sucks the big fat wang on point.
He can deal absolutely no damage besides corridor>sword or launcher>sword.
So his jumping fierce has some priority, and he can toss out his lil helper ninja, big deal, he has almost nothing and if I remember correctly he takes above average damage.
Cap is an assist, PERIOD, you should be shitting a brick when he comes out on point.
Ok so maybe I wont be able to hit RODOLFO’s Cable with a Cyke launcher. But I have hit a couple people with Cyke launcher after Commando assist, and then to protect Commando tiger knee grenade, I was quick enough to dash under the grenade and hit the falling Cable with command launcher.
So I wasnt playing Rodolfo, so im not good enough to execute Cyke inf, and I only hit an air combo.
Still, it is possible to hit Cable with a launcher, especially if he is doing normal jumping grenades.
Most tigerknee grenades covered by Cable’s J.RH, Cykes launcher beats that, thats why I mentioned Cable being overconfident with it.
If someone tigerknees a grenade and uses J.RH to cover Cables descent, you can launch his ass.
Now that above situation, Cable tiger knees a grenade and hits RH to cover himself, does that not ever happen to you?
As for Sent trying to AA people with jump ins with more priority…
Ever see a Sent land air combo on a Storm?
An airborn Storm, you know, one with a higher priority fierce over his launcher?
I have.
Even in high level play.
But that should have never happened cause a good Sent would NEVER try that huh? Sent should never ever go for an air combo?
What crack are you smokin?
Here’s a situation I just hit someone with yesterday,
Sent normal jumps at Cyke in corner he hits RH immediately after RH Capcom comes out, Sent dashes in and goes for cr.LK, s.MP but I push block on the c.LK, I dash and quickly cancel dash into normal jump, Sent recovers from his s.MP and decides to s.RH at my jumping Cyke at the sametime hitting Commando assist, d+FP cuts through his RH, Commando does empty assist.
Its not that unplausable for Cyke to hit Sent.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think Cyke is bad against Sent. The main problem with this fight is that Cyke never has an AAA, because he is the AAA. Not too many teams are set up with more than one AAA. I’ve played Cyke/Sent/Capcom for fun and it does real good against Sentinels. Unfly to block Capcom, then you refly right into SOB, or just get guardbroken if you don’t try to refly. Fun. 
Well, I play Storm/Cable/Clops in tournies, and he’s always my main assist. If Cyke is last, i have no trouble playing with him on point…well, usually if it’s 1 on 1.
At Evo and past tournies, I’ve been in situations where it’s Cyke vs. CapCom or Cammy or Sentinel or Storm or Cable, etc. I play somewhat offensively and defensively, and that seemed to work for me.
SFR is hella good. And connecting his SOB does ~50% damage. That’s helped in Cyke vs. 2 characters before. 
Well, that’s my Cyke experience.
I usually do pretty well Cyke vs. Sent 1 on 1 myself. As for Cyke never having an AAA to back him up, the times I do play Storm/Cyke/Doom, I save Doom for last. Cyke is a good Character by himself, but backed up by Doom he is amazing, you should try it sometime.
Cyke sux. He is sooooo overrated. And he is also gay. 2 things that suck about him…BOOOO!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I think that cammy is definetly over-rated, and I think that Psylocke is OH YAH overrated. I have seen some godo guile, and he’s pretty much underrated too. I haven’t seen a “great” mag, cuz I think he’s really overrated with the people I play with. They know he’s suppsta be “king of rushdown” but I end up rockin him more than half the time anyways with “rushdown” like ken and rogue.
Did anyone see Rattana’s “fighting Capcom” at Evl? He almost ocv’d someone with capcom/sent-g. It was pretty fucked up to see him getting happy when his capcom got snapped in.
None of the big four are over-rated [mags, cable, sent, storm].
the only person i feel is over-rated is spiral. but i guess that is because i haven’t played anybody that is great with her.
Under-rated is the grey area.
I would say a couple people are under-rated.
Tron’s usefulness on a team is under-rated. Especially with sent-y to back her up and help her trap.
Doom is underrated I think too. He takes a lot of knowledge to play, and a lot of practice. But if you know how to play the matchups, and how to use all of his moves, then he is a force to be reckoned with.
Lastly, CYKE IS UNDER-RATED. he is number 5 in my book without a shadow of a doubt. his assist has GREAT invinciblilty frames, good priority, and easy to capitalize off. He doesn’t have a horrible matchup. (like bh vs mag) He has a VERY GOOD alpha counter. and his RH can give sent major problems.
origanaly posted by JinSoGood
Strider, he isnt overrated or underrated.
He is an anomoly in MVC2. He is potentially the best character in the game.
But due to the limitations of mechanical and human error he isnt.
i totaly agree....
i also think strider w/ doom is ALITTLE underrated
and cable a little overrated…
i think strider w/ doom has what it takes to be in the top4… and cable below him… i mean take a look
Strider w/ doom can give be a BITCH to Storm,Mags, and Sent…
and if played at his best, he totally fuckes up any opponent…
if an enemy screwes up, hes definatly gonna get traped…
and we all know strider and how he can be a parasite always all over on your ass!..
Cable vs. strider, is similar to a Doom vs. Sent.
and strider w/ doom rapes cable!..
i agree w/ u he is te best character potentialy or maybe onlw w/ doom…
but do to how complex he is
below average assist
and his poor in health
he’s very debateable
but i still say he’s better than cable, since strider has more advantages against other top tier characters than cable does
underated
Underated: For sure i have to say spider man and guile. Guile has a flash kick in the air that takes out nearly everything and he can attack after it. No one uses him or uses that move because they think it has to be charged in the air. He is also able to do some wierd and confusing traps and keep away games. Spider man is one of my all time favorites and he is too quick to pass up. I use thsi team although i have very little effect of top tier. Mostly because of spidermans damage handycap but other than that these two guys are the greatest. I have soo many wierd combos that work and take off a fairly good amount with these two guys and doom. If you would like to know some IM on AIM :califreak01.
OVerated: I would have to say Blackheart and anyone else who cannot function in MVC2 without an assist. Because most of the time when a charector is hard to beat you just take out his assist and he becomes dramatically weakend. That is all.
Interesting huh.
DOOM IS SO OVERATTED HE SUCKS AS A REGULAR PLAYER he GEts Raped UNless you GET lucky WITH RANDOM SUPERs
JIN IS UNERATED HE HAS SUCH A GOOD HELPER
You sure do know what you’re talking about.:rolleyes:
I have to say that Doom still has a huge weapon that ppl fail to utilize to the max from vids I’ve seen and shit like that. His PA is INSTANT…which means if u weren’t blocking when it activates from close range, you eat it. Having said that, building teams around frame killing using his tiger kneed PA is killer. Take for example the team Storm/IM/Doom…awesome team, but lacking a good antiair…this can be cured though cause of the strategy which sorta requires someone to rush you down after u build meter…let me explain:
You build meter with Storm…drop doom-aaa, runaway, build 3 meters…now u need to try to get doom!
Do this by either killing a character with Storm and taggin him in or do it against Cable’s bullets…if Doom actually HITS, you can dash in and TK’ed PA so all hit, then DHC xx Proton Cannon, DHC’ed into Hail. Killer damage. Now you can runaway with Storm AGAIN…forever or to build meter again and rinse and repeat.
Frame killings helps a lot of lower tier if u have a good team with powerful supers.
Doom/Blackheart owns you.