MVC Infinite Lounge: DLC Characters and Costumes launch Dec 5th

killthevibe · December 6, 2016, 10:28pm

I think if the tags only work on hit that would make the game pretty dumb as tags would ONLY function as combo extenders

I hope combofiend realizes this and allows for tag cancels on block

Zachara · December 6, 2016, 10:30pm

According to Yipes, MvC:I made Daigo speak English.
Games already reached it’s peak.

drunkards_walk · December 6, 2016, 10:33pm

SonicFox was a cut above everyone in Injustice, so I’d expect him to be nice as shit in this game

d3v · December 6, 2016, 10:43pm

They could make it so that you can tag cancel moves even on whiff. Maybe give it some limitations, such as only allowing it on the startup frames, but not the recovery frames.

That would basically allow us to use the free tag system similar to how assists were used, creating mixups, protecting unsafe shit, etc.

The question is how to limit such a system. Meter? Cooldown similar to traditional assists?

EDIT: Actually, being able to tag on whiff could be better, since it leaves a better chance of either character (tagged in, and leaving) to be punished. Heck, might even allow for happy birthdays and double snaps.

drunkards_walk · December 6, 2016, 10:44pm

Ephidel:

drunkards_walk:

I doubt they’d do that. In the interview on Twitch they said they wanted things to play out so that you just pick the the two characters you like and go at it without having to worry about team building and synergy. Having unique skills with unique gems seems to go against this philosophy imo as we’d very likely end up back in a spot where everyone uses Ryu power stone for Denjin mode etc.

I feel like team building and synergy has always played into the strengths of Marvel. Obviously not every character will be on par with the other, but it’s fun heading into the lab and discovering a characters limitations, how could they improve if gems gave them specific abilities, and so forth. In a game like Marvel, broken shit is going to be discovered regardless of what they do. Well, that is sooner or later.

I’m just saying that the developers said they wanted to make that less of a focus. They said verbatim that they wanted you to be able to pick 2 characters, pick a gem, and go at it without worrying about which assist goes with which character, and who has synergy with whom. I’m curious about how they plan on doing this too, because obviously there will always be a sort of tier list that develops in any game, so I’m thinking that maybe there is a mechanic that hasn’t yet been revealed yet. Also, I think there is another way that they could easily accomplish this goal, but I’m not going to share it yet

killthevibe · December 6, 2016, 10:53pm

Hmm tagging even on whiff sounds kinda crazy

I think this is the kind of thing that they should have us give feedback on via beta tests. It’s the kind of mechanic change/addition that shouldn’t be hard to implement/remove yet it would have massive implications on gameplay

d3v · December 6, 2016, 11:00pm

Which is why I said to limit it to start up, but never recovery.

drunkards_walk · December 6, 2016, 11:05pm

They should lock tagging behind a separate meter that builds up for performing certain actions (attacking, walking forward, etc) so that you have to make some decisions on how you want to spend your tags: use all the meter on one big ass combo, use it for a bunch of tough mix ups, use it for protection, anti-air, etc)

quicks · December 6, 2016, 11:07pm

d3v:

killthevibe:

I think if the tags only work on block that would make the game pretty dumb as tags would ONLY function as combo extenders

I hope combofiend realizes this and allows for tag cancels on block

They could make it so that you can tag cancel moves even on whiff. Maybe give it some limitations, such as only allowing it on the startup frames, but not the recovery frames.

That would basically allow us to use the free tag system similar to how assists were used, creating mixups, protecting unsafe shit, etc.

The question is how to limit such a system. Meter? Cooldown similar to traditional assists?

EDIT: Actually, being able to tag on whiff could be better, since it leaves a better chance of either character (tagged in, and leaving) to be punished. Heck, might even allow for happy birthdays and double snaps.

this swings right back round to characters being picked for one purpose " picked chun so i can switch in and do legs and get a free mixup and lock down"

Alkipot · December 6, 2016, 11:15pm

Yipes might turn that boy into a beast in Marvel. Careful what you wish for!

Speaking of wishes… BB Hood? Juri? Jin “BLODIAAAAAAAAA!” Saotome? Plzthx

drunkards_walk · December 6, 2016, 11:15pm

quicks:

d3v:

killthevibe:

I think if the tags only work on block that would make the game pretty dumb as tags would ONLY function as combo extenders

I hope combofiend realizes this and allows for tag cancels on block

They could make it so that you can tag cancel moves even on whiff. Maybe give it some limitations, such as only allowing it on the startup frames, but not the recovery frames.

That would basically allow us to use the free tag system similar to how assists were used, creating mixups, protecting unsafe shit, etc.

The question is how to limit such a system. Meter? Cooldown similar to traditional assists?

EDIT: Actually, being able to tag on whiff could be better, since it leaves a better chance of either character (tagged in, and leaving) to be punished. Heck, might even allow for happy birthdays and double snaps.

this swings right back round to characters being picked for one purpose " picked chun so i can switch in and do legs and get a free mixup and lock down"

Agreed. It’s going to be extremely hard for the developers to avoid that imo, but I guess they know what they’re doing. One way I think they could probably accomplish this goal is to make everyone play pretty similarly, sort of how in SF5 98% of the cast wants to be in your face. The gems would really help with this, because if you have a normally slow character like Hulk equipped with a “time stone” then suddenly he will be able to compete with characters like Morrigan for mobility, so in a sense they become similar characters (although one does much more damage). I think that is the main thing the gems are going to accomplish tbh

Pertho · December 6, 2016, 11:15pm

Pretty sure the only people who wany long combos are the ggpo brazilians who play XvsSF.

NickRocks · December 6, 2016, 11:24pm

I like Mike Yipes

JEE JA JEE JA JA

if theres gonna be tag during blockstun there better be alpha counters to invincible DP moves like psimitar/gene splice. Dont do a mvc3, give me some GTFO options capcom

Raz0r · December 6, 2016, 11:44pm

“This game…sucks.”

d3v · December 6, 2016, 11:47pm

quicks:

d3v:

killthevibe:

I think if the tags only work on block that would make the game pretty dumb as tags would ONLY function as combo extenders

I hope combofiend realizes this and allows for tag cancels on block

They could make it so that you can tag cancel moves even on whiff. Maybe give it some limitations, such as only allowing it on the startup frames, but not the recovery frames.

That would basically allow us to use the free tag system similar to how assists were used, creating mixups, protecting unsafe shit, etc.

The question is how to limit such a system. Meter? Cooldown similar to traditional assists?

EDIT: Actually, being able to tag on whiff could be better, since it leaves a better chance of either character (tagged in, and leaving) to be punished. Heck, might even allow for happy birthdays and double snaps.

this swings right back round to characters being picked for one purpose " picked chun so i can switch in and do legs and get a free mixup and lock down"

Like that’s any different from “I picked so-and-so so I could tag into them for extra damage into hyper”.

Characters will always have roles to pkay in a team.

The difference here, compared to assists is that characters aren’t just glorified projectiles now and will actually have to be brought in to do work.

In your example, Chun would actually have to be used on point, or tagged into to be able to use her to set stuff up.

drunkards_walk · December 6, 2016, 11:50pm

d3v:

quicks:

d3v:

killthevibe:

I think if the tags only work on block that would make the game pretty dumb as tags would ONLY function as combo extenders

I hope combofiend realizes this and allows for tag cancels on block

They could make it so that you can tag cancel moves even on whiff. Maybe give it some limitations, such as only allowing it on the startup frames, but not the recovery frames.

That would basically allow us to use the free tag system similar to how assists were used, creating mixups, protecting unsafe shit, etc.

The question is how to limit such a system. Meter? Cooldown similar to traditional assists?

EDIT: Actually, being able to tag on whiff could be better, since it leaves a better chance of either character (tagged in, and leaving) to be punished. Heck, might even allow for happy birthdays and double snaps.

this swings right back round to characters being picked for one purpose " picked chun so i can switch in and do legs and get a free mixup and lock down"

Like that’s any different from “I picked so-and-so so I could tag into them for extra damage into hyper”.

Characters will always have roles to pkay in a team.

The difference here, compared to assists is that characters aren’t just glorified projectiles now and will actually have to be brought in to do work.

In your example, Chun would actually have to be used on point, or tagged into to be able to use her to set stuff up.

yeah but the developers specifically said they wanted to avoid that sort of thing…

Rokmode · December 6, 2016, 11:56pm

even though im sure its already been talked about, I aint about to pour through 56 pages of your guys’ bullshit so

How do you guys feel about confirmation of no assists?

drunkards_walk · December 6, 2016, 11:56pm

Straight garbage…

NickRocks · December 7, 2016, 12:04am

doesnt bother me

quicks · December 7, 2016, 12:05am

d3v:

quicks:

d3v:

killthevibe:

I think if the tags only work on block that would make the game pretty dumb as tags would ONLY function as combo extenders

I hope combofiend realizes this and allows for tag cancels on block

They could make it so that you can tag cancel moves even on whiff. Maybe give it some limitations, such as only allowing it on the startup frames, but not the recovery frames.

That would basically allow us to use the free tag system similar to how assists were used, creating mixups, protecting unsafe shit, etc.

The question is how to limit such a system. Meter? Cooldown similar to traditional assists?

EDIT: Actually, being able to tag on whiff could be better, since it leaves a better chance of either character (tagged in, and leaving) to be punished. Heck, might even allow for happy birthdays and double snaps.

this swings right back round to characters being picked for one purpose " picked chun so i can switch in and do legs and get a free mixup and lock down"

Like that’s any different from “I picked so-and-so so I could tag into them for extra damage into hyper”.

Characters will always have roles to pkay in a team.

The difference here, compared to assists is that characters aren’t just glorified projectiles now and will actually have to be brought in to do work.

In your example, Chun would actually have to be used on point, or tagged into to be able to use her to set stuff up.

Well we don’t know how tags work yet so this is all a stretch as it is.
But it’s exactly the same the devs said they removed and changed things to stop characters falling. Into this but I don’t think it’s possible