Mugen Heads the wait is over CTRL ALT DEL 2 is here!

Eh being an artist, I’ve had times were artwork (sometimes entire series of work) I’ve done has been claimed by other people as work they’ve done. Sure it’s sucks, but it the nature of the internet, you’re not going to get a jerk free enviroment, so I have little sympathy for those who whine about it. I knew when I published it to the net there was the possibility some idiot would say it was him, and that it would be hard to refute him across the internet. (Other than when the idiot was dumb enough to be hotlinking the image from my webspace, so I’d change it to say, a picture of someone in surgery for fun.)

Hell I know artist who go onto foriegn boards just to find there are in some other language where they can’t possibly try to adequately tell the people the guy’s a liar, and while it sucks, it’s not something that anyone should be all that surprised about.

Usually there is a few ways to go about it, I’ve had friends who print their URL across there image, so while it hurts the overall look of the art, it makes it painfully tedious to steal. I’ve seen people close down shop all together, thus assuring that no one steals there work online. (Really expecting the entire populance of the internet to be civil when internet society is worse than the already less than civil real world, is just an exercise in futility. Ideally, that’s how the world would be, but you have to be realistic sadly.) I’ve also seen people who said the hell with it, and kept posting art anyway.

The way I do it is simple, if it’s important to me, I’m not putting it up to be dissected on the net, I’ll run a print run and sell it, that way I’m sure the product that reaches people is the one I want, otherwise people can, and sadly, will alter it if they so please.

For mediums that cannot be protected that way, like creations by mugen enthusiasts, then you’re going to have to be able to put up with it, because there are people who will claim your work, and they don’t really care how upset you get about it.

If you put stuff on the internet, you wave all rights to being surprised or pissed when its stolen. Even the WinMugen engine is cracked. Its not like you can copyright the stuff you make. (Who would want to use mugen for that anyway? Its too unstable.)

Im having fun with MUGEN. I wanted to create my own stuff. As for the internet, yeah…host it, I dont care. I made my shit for me and I could give a flying fig newton who gets it…as long as I have it. Having the character floating around would improve the game. If you want to bitch and moan cause your shit got jacked then you shouldnt have released anything to begin with.

Expecting honesty from the internet is naive.

I honestly don’t know what these guys expect from the “strike”. I dont know about you guys but the minute I saw the main pages of these websites talk about the strike, I didn’t say “OH NO, I better stop downloading characters from other sources!”; I said “Well I suppose I’ll just play 3rd Strike or Garou”.

All the while they are talking about “wanting respect”. To tell you the truth, what little respect I had for these “creators” is now gone. They talk about the MUGEN community dying because of warehouses, as if the warehouses are preventing them for having creative thoughts and original ideas. As of right now, if I were to download a character the so-called “real” way, I would have about 4 firefox tabs and 2 pop-up boxes open just to get a character that plays somewhat well. It’s a total waste of time and energy.

Now please don’t get me wrong, I can respect the hard work that goes into these characters, but the whole creator community can be mean and downright nasty to people who are trying to learn the art of proper MUGEN coding. If anything, this is the main reason the whole scene is dying. (The biggest exception to this is M-I whose forum is very newbie friendly, but not as popular as MG).

One last thing before I practice some 3S- M.U.G.E.N is a fun diversion, nothing more. And these people involved in bitching about stealing are just burning the bridges they cross on an daily basis.

uh, as far as i know mugen isnt just some little diversion that some people treat it like. full, detailed, original games have been developed with the engine. mugen, wasn’t really intended for this kind of use in the first place. it was meant to be a liscensed product available from Elecbyte(RIP), but you all know what happened with that “snag” in development. the community that resulted from that however, wanted to share their creativity and provide (sometimes) decent ports of characters from fighting games.

btw, one thing to keep in mind: mugen isn’t buggy at all, in fact, aside from a few limitations the only bugs that you could possibly have are bugs caused by the user created materials, not the engine itself. this can be overcome by creating a full game from scratch(without the original common1.cns for characters), which many have already done, or are currently doing.
elecbyte was very generous in giving the engine so much functionality; it’s not mugen’s fault that bugs exist in your game.

posting here is probably pointless as i doubt those who disagree with my view will even consider what i have just said.

You are correct. My statement was more of a blanket statement and I should have made it more specfic. That one was my bad. I meant it from a player’s point of view, not a creators.

That still doesn’t change the fact that these people think they deserve credit for ripping sprites and giving them hit boxes.

Sorry, but I find the thought of MUGEN creators having pride in their characters (unless they make new sprites for them) laughable.

maybe I should rename this thread “MUGEN thread: bullshit and stupid arguments allowed so you have an outlet somewhere”

or maybe I should delete it

hmm…

I dont understand. In other communities like this one, when someone makes a model, or alters a model, they always credit the original source, AND ask permission. But if someone ask for that same thing in MUGEN, its somehow “elitist”, or they “dont deserve credit”. If I stole some fan-art of yours right now, and claimed it as mine, you would be upset, wouldnt you? I mean, you didnt design the character, so why should you care?

They only ask, that their shit not be STOLEN (the act of taking the character/stage/whatever, and claiming it as your own. That shits wrong.

I mean, do you even understand the whole aspect of this?

Yea, I wish it was that simple. Go and try and make a character, then come back with a better knowledge of what you are talking about, because you have no idea.

In this very thread, we have MANY characters, with tons of original sprites, content, etc. Even done to STANCES, stolen, altered, and claimed as their own.

Evil Ken for example? Robo-Rock? Heavily eddited, original characters.

Dude, what the fuck is the problem with no theft? Why is this even an issue. Someone taking credit for someone elses shit, and you circlejerk one another, and tell the person who took the hard work and time to do it to fuck off? “Fuck you, we dont care about you, all we want is your characters!”?

And the problem specificly, with cases like this is you have someone freely hosting content on random ass places/servers, and the original persons site is nowhere to be found. That leaves YOU with no knowledge of updates, bug fixes, NEW characters from the guy you apparently like, but you got his other release from some clown who cant/doesnt make shit anyway, so now your stuck, wondering where the fuck to go and download, but cant because you supported idiocy.

I rest my case.

EDIT: DOOMED quote tags fixed.

Awesome.

doesn’t care to continue argument

agrees to disagree

I also agree that the thread starter is a douche.

Wow, now even the mugen comunity hates Michiyo

Where’s the Michiyo love :rofl:

meh…i dont give a fuck who’s right or who’s wrong…i do like this game though :smiley:

There we go then.

Damn, I’ve been lazy lately.