Because JuiceBox alone can’t bring the hype.
I’m just happy it’s in the main event for EVO. As long as tons of people show up, KOF will have a bright future at EVO.
So much hatred for a guy who works his ass off in helping people improve =/ (about Juicebox) Wow, aren’t you guys something. We never really hear YOUR names popping up on stream, making it to grand finals or going so far as to HELP people.
Sit the fuck down and stop spouting off the terms “Fraud” as if you’re worth a shit.
Aside that. Smh SRK. SMH. While the MLG stream was boring as hell and took away a lot of the hype with the ads, if that’s how the scene is gonna go, that’s how it’s gonna go. Deal with it.
You want change? Get off your ass and do something instead of bitching about it on a forum where no one worth a damn cares.
And how many potentially show up depends on the size of the player base, which for KOF is tiny outside the tournament scene. New players don’t just buy a game and show up for a tournament, there’s a varying amount of online practice in between. The online mode in KOF is bad enough to discourage people from even attempting to make the jump to tournament attendance.
The scene is full of know it all know nothings. You try and help them and they don’t want it. Most of these jokers will not go to a tourney. They are happy hiding behind the keyboard and being stream monsters. I have played folks in my local area some of them are approachable for info and some are not it is what it is(the last part not directed at you). Let the folks that go and play reap the rewards while the blabber mouth majority sit at home worrying about online rank and battle points.
Going back to a previous point, I agree with HAV that the FGC is headed in a certain direction with or without the MLG. The issue for me is, why shouldn’t we let the people who helped build this thing retain that control while moving it in said direction? Why would we or should we EVER hand over the reigns to some outside entity that clearly is only interested in making us a product?
wow. that gave me a legit lol
SCV wasn’t made by Capcom too, and so far it has been getting better numbers than KOFXIII. Despite the entire FGC pushing KOFXIII and completely neglecting SCV.
Final Round had too many players registered like you said. So much they had to disqualify players left and right. It was unorganized and you had to wait for an unspecified large amounts of time to play. For MLG the organizers tell the players the exact time they play…and that’s when they play.
The reason you saw that MLG filled the stream was ads was the fact that kof had 25 people. It got better during the second day. MLG is also bringing an audience to the games that are played. Random people from my school were talking about MLG and mortal kombat.
As for evo, I have no idea why they are keeping a $10 entrance fee for their games. This tournament is supposedly the world finals and yet the payout is so minuscule compared to MLG and their series of tournaments. They wish to be more professional and like HAV said, reach the level of MLG but it doesn’t sound possible any time soon. I can understand if they keep the rawness, but they don’t and their way of doing things are too short term for rapid growth. They had so much success recently and are still just riding along on the fighting game bubble, hopefully it doesn’t burst any time soon.
As for your questions regarding those games, it probably will. Juicebox is apparently going to be one of the official commentators for Kof due his charisma or whatever Sundance said.
SNKP brand hasn’t been strong in the US, you’ll here James Chen call it the soccer of 2D fighters. Mexico, South America, China and Korea have strong scenes. Poongko has a bunch of tourney wins in KoF.
Speaking for myself, playing KoF XIII made me wonder why I never paid attention to the games before. My first experience with KoF was CvS2 (my first SNK games were Metal Slug and the giant SamSho machine in the arcades). I don’t even remember why I never tried them after that.
Release date was fine, doesn’t seem to be doing any harm. There was a lot of bad press about work conditions at SNKP and employees leaving recently (during 2010 and 2011). I don’t think people wanted to buy another KoF XII and SNKP is not in good shape.
And what do you mean “why would MLG be another open lane”? Just this past weekend, 2 big showings for KoF XIII created so much buzz about the game. It’s like "okay I saw this game played at 2 different events and both looked exciting, let me check this out"and whoever sticks is a plus. I am someone who picked this game up from watching Haunts stream the Arcade version from Southtown Arcade. I was on the fence about buying the game when I heard it was coming to console and Lord Haunts started streaming the game, I watched, liked what I saw, and picked up the console version.
I was 1 person in a small stream of like 100-200 people. Imagine that effect on the 10K watching NCR and however many watching MLG.
What does their past failures have to do with people ignoring a good fighter? Especially in U.S where people always ignored SNK titles. The release date would not have mattered. If it had released before UMvC3 then yea more people might have picked it up, but those very same people would have dropped it for Marvel. Look how many people say “KOF XIII is the best fighter out right now, but I don’t play it” Wtf is up with that? The best fighter out but you don’t play it? The worst thing about it is the people who say that continue to play other fighters that they think is “full of scrub shit.” I guess preference plays a role but the question still remains of why play a fighter you hate? That is something I don’t understand.
Just because Final Round was unable to do that doesnt mean it isnt possible. It can be done and has been done.
Past failures = reputation ruined = people ignoring SNK titles. The release dates matter a ton because lots of players in the FGC spent more time on COD and Skyrim than they did on UMvC3 or KOFXIII that month. Building a community and fanbase takes time, and SNK fans need to do it from scratch because of how much SNK sucked in the past. So don’t blame Capcom, blame SNK for not getting people excited about their games in the first place.
Why is this surprising? VF has been like this for most of its life.
You’re so thoroughly conflicted, here. It’s clear you understand competition is its own thing, but somehow can’t divorce it from external social phenomena such as hostility. You’re clutching so desperately to an era you have some emotional attachment to that you can’t see how extrinsic it is to the notion of competition. Can being hostile motivate certain types of people to compete, or even compete superlatively? Sure. Can overcoming hostility motivate certain types of people to compete? Of course. But these people aren’t competing to win - they’re micropoliticking. They’re vying for a position of power/leverage in a social group, and as such, puts them at an immediate deficit in regards to the true essence of competition - winning (at the game). It’s easy to see why: their focus becomes scattered.
This is coming from someone that grew up in a neighborhood and witnessed regular fights and a stabbing occur (with a finger nail clipper blade, no less) over matches of SNES SSII Turbo.
No one’s going to be coddled when they’re new in a competitive scene focused on being competitive. Anyone today picking up UMVC 3, AE, Guilty Gear etc. and planning to be competitive are going to scraped, and their competitive spirit - their drive to win and understanding of how to win - will determine whether they overcome those growing pains, not some kid on XBL telling them to eat a dick, or some guy at an arcade machine giving him/her the cold shoulder when they ask for advice. The rites of passage you have so much nostalgia for still exists, and will always exist when competition breathes in its purest form. They’re just not the same rites you’ve grown to respect due to your own circumstances.
It’s not about silly rites of passage, or giving somebody the cold shoulder.
Again… I’m about as helpful as anyone is, to the people that actually come out and compete.
This “scene” now, is about catering to people that don’t even have the balls to come out anywhere, in the hopes of enticing them to come out. There is more emphasis on coaxing pussies to step from in front of their monitors, than there is on giving the competitors what they want.
What “rites of passage” exist in that dynamic? People that don’t come out… don’t play… don’t contribute anything… are getting their balls tickled, in hopes that maybe they’ll see how nice we all are, and come join us.
Netcode means nothing, is only an excuse, MK had over 500 entrants last year at EVO, vanilla MVC3 has an abysmal netcode and it didn’t stop it to had good tournaments, the only things that discourage people from playing these games are dumb myths (hard inputs, hard hitconfirms, hard combos, “that game is too random!!”, etc.)
Your argument changes by the post. Now this is about stream monsters, forum-ites and XBL warriors? Like it or not, for better or worse, these people are part of the FGC too and all contribute to the growth of the community in one way or another.
You do know that you’re the one who brought those up in your posts. He’s just claiming that the FGC is not what is it was used to be, and any claims that MLG is the anti-FGC is just ignorance. It’s that simple.
If you are not going out and supporting your scene you are not doing anything. You can look at streams all day and play on Xbox but if you are not going out and joining in you are just an observer at best and a casual player(nothing wrong with that).
It’s about everybody.
And my point is, I don’t like it. That is a valid position. Saying “like it or not, these people are part of the FGC” isn’t saying shit. Obviously, I recognize that, and I don’t “like it”.
The reality is that some of these people are coaxed into joining the competitive sphere, by all the ball-tickling, and when they arrive, they do so with a sense of entitlement that affects everything. I’m not going to get into how these expectations, and the shitty attitudes that so many players carry, affects everything. Way too long to post… but you’re insane if you think that this new dynamic hasn’t created a new type of player, that lacks a lot of what used to be core values representative of the scene.
People were talking about Juicebox earlier, and to me, his notoriety is an example of the shift in the scene. I have no issue with Juicebox. I actually think he’s a talented player, that works extremely hard to try to progress. I respect the hell out of that.
That’s not why he’s known in this scene though. He’s known, because of dancing. Dancing is THE reason he’s a notable person in the scene now, and that’s fucking ridiculous. If you think that’s fine… great. I think that represents a HUGE shift away from the pure meritocracy that used to be our scene. Before, you weren’t gonna get love for fucking dancing during the match. You got love for winning, and that’s it. If you look at a player like, say, 801 Strider… also plays Abel… also has done extremely well at majors, often better than Juicebox… Strider qualified for SBO this past year, in SF4. They both came into the scene around the same time. Which one is FAR AND AWAY more well-known? The dancer.
Again… I’m not trying to hate on Juicebox, because I think he DOES have the competitive drive, and I respect him for that. I don’t even mind the dancing… I DO mind that this dancing has propelled him to new heights, moreso than his play has.
This is a result of shifts in the scene.
You can sit here and pretend that everything is the same, minus needless hostility, but you’re wrong. The hostility isn’t even what I miss. The hostility was a result of the competitive purity. I could take or leave the hostility… again… one of the coolest things to see in this scene has been the erosion of hostilities over time, brought on by respect. People talk about sexism now, but I remember ECC back in 2001 or 2002, when Justin fought for his first major title, against Ricky. People were throwing stuff, yelling all sorts of ugly homophobic barbs at Ricky throughout the set. That was an ugly event. Seeing people grow to respect Ricky, first as a player, and then as a person because of that, was VERY cool. Now, shit… the FGC is more understanding/accepting/tolerant (or any other word that is needlessly judgmental) of the myriad of sexual orientations represented, than any scene I’ve ever had the pleasure to witness.
It’s not cool to me that people didn’t respect it, before being made to respect it, by way of getting fucked up in a videogame, but it IS cool to me that our meritocracy was SO strong, that it changed people’s core belief systems in amazing ways.
Our meritocracy is nowhere near that strong now. Now we have Funny and Cool Moments, Mr. Pavy, front-page commenters, etc… it’s not the same.
I know I’m jumping around a lot, but that’s because all of this shit is intertwined in ways that I’m not articulating well right now… but if you’ve been involved, it’s obvious. Shit is NOT the same. To me, it’s just worse… and this idea that we still represent what we once did, is just not true. Competition is only part of the equation now, and that’s the problem.
MLG isn’t going to erode anything, any more than will anybody else already involved.