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bee a man, do da white fing. turn the damn thing on!
SC is the best game ever made on computer… i stand by that to this day.
ps: Being on vent tonight playing dota with isaac, matt, james, yang, frody and other random people is way way way more fun than WoW to me.
Lessard I know what your saying. When people say 1 game is a waste of time and the other isnt it is stupid your absolutely right. My point was (which is why i said you didnt get it) the fact that people work and do things they dont enjoy in WoW just to get some stupid items to make their character better. People for the most part dont enjoy raiding. They only do it to get good items. So like I said, you get nothing out of it because its not even fun. At least dota is fun while your playing and you dont have to work for shit. If you have fun raiding then raid away. I personally dont have fun doing it and I cant stand the PvPing system now along with the lines. Being on mannoroth doesnt help the situation. So to me, wow is a waste of time completely because it doesnt even entertain me. Dota does on the other hand. Hope I made my point more clear this time.
People play wow because they are addicted to it. It has the same addiction as fucking crack. There are warnings on the box and in the manuals. I know I played more before because I was addicted to it rather than having fun. Its not fun to spend 12 days of PLAYED TIME grinding mobs to get to level 60. Thats addiction right there. Nobody in their right mind would like sitting down hour after hour killing the same shit over and over.
i know for a fact 80% of my grinding/questing to 60 was fun, mostly because of who i was playing with. even on my 2nd rogue, although the first charcter you make is the most fun on wow you’ll ever have. discovering things and finding out what you can and cant own is the most fun. after that, simply owning the same shit over and over because you know what to do, isnt.
ps. war3 >>>> sc. i cant believe this is even being argued. its made by the same company, and was improved upon in every aspect. SC has nothing over war3.
yo anant and shu, dont forget about CASUALL THURSDAYSSS
anant bring 3s pls, and pokeguy will probably come this time to.
and shu if ur going to burn before, pls let me in coz ill shot my self if im sober and any of those game club execs come and start talking to us.
james that flash was crazy, they had tobais in it.
haha ya tonight was too much fun
who wants to bet that bry and gerjay come back before the month ends!!!
I’ll take that bet.
How can it not be argued? They clearly arent the same game at all. Both of them are RTS yes, but they are completely different games. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I personally enjoy starcraft better. The only reason I cant play it now is because I have a hard time with how the game looks. Its so old that I have a hard time playing it. But yea the fact that you say its the same game basicly and that war3 is starcraft but with everything improved is stupid. I don’t like heros and I like the units in starcraft more. I also like the maps in starcraft 1 billion times more. The game was faster. Warcraft 3 is more thinking about how your gonna counter them and who can fucking creep better to get the heros they have super strong. Starcraft you had to constantly expand as you attack people. You have based destroyed and remade constantly in a good match. I think it was a much better game, just not as appealing to the eye as war3.
There’s a thread where they are arguing this and it seems like Starcraft is winning/won. Check it out in GD.
Thats cuz starcraft is fucking OLD! yet ppl STILL play it. The game needed nothing to run (i played it on a 2D graphics card with 4mb, i mean common). WAr 3 was releasted YEARS later, this is like compairing a sundial to a watch. If u want a more accurate coparison, do sc and war2. But thats why sc is THE BEST game ever, there will be better games out there, hell there are now (WoW), but because of how sick it was back then, and the simple fact that millions play it, it just owns. Anyone know of a game that old they really dont have that much trouble playing? i know if i played a game from 96 i sure the hell would notice the graphics. I notice them now, but they are godlike for a freakin 10year old game.
Poeta: lol, i did understand u the first time… my post was towards other ppl, i knew exactly what u were saying. u wernt the one saying wow is waste of time or dota = waste of time, play this one.
Yeah Starcraft owns!! I picked that game bacl up again a while ago. Someone play me on bnet.
My only disappointment with SC now is that the west end people prefer $$$ maps and ladder is not playable.
Fuck, if i had read this earlier, I would have. Anyway, i’ll be there after my tutorial which i’m in right now… so like 1:00
umm, i wasnt exactly doing a serious argument but if you want to…
war3 has more: units, armor types, weapon types, spells, races. this makes for much more interesting and diverse strats as well as originality. this cannnot be argued. its a fact.
heros: they bring an entire new dimension to the battle. instead of worrying about your units, losing/killing a hero can be the difference between a battle won/lost. you can completely customize your army around your heros abilities (eg. priestess OTM with mass archers and hunts, or dreadlord with ghouls, necros, aboms and meatwagons <-- RAPE!!!).
the maps: they are MUCH more detailed and its no longer a fair fight anywhere on the map. now you can use things like an uphill advantage to rape a persons army.
speed: because the units in war3 dont die as instantly as in starcraft it allows for much more effective microing. i suppose this could be argued to a degree because you could say “well because things die instantly in starcraft i can micro the shit outta you”. this is wrong. the range and movespeed of anything in starcraft isnt sufficient enough (except for maybe vultures) that you can litterally micro an entire army to death without losing a unit. bry has done this to me in war3 more times than i care to count.
graphics: better. duh.
items: the items that you get for your army/heros from the creeps and item shops are insane and when combined with the right things = rape.
the only reason people think SC is better (imo) is because they played it first and got really into it at the time. believe me, i did the same thing. SC swallowed my life for the longest time, however it seems to have the same fanboyish appeal that ff7 has. just because it was the first good game of its king they played, people grow attached to that game the most, instead of actually examining which is better. now im not saying you’re not allowed to like SC more, thats up to you, but listed above are the reasons why i know war3 to be the better game. 
ps. ff8 ftw.
edit: i also forgot to mention that every race in war3 has healing.
humans, priests. UD, those statue things. NE with druids and tranquility and orc with healing wards.
SC is better because it’s simple. None of this fluff you mentioned for War3. You tech up a couple of things, and then you go beat the crap out of someone by swamming them. SC’s all about who can build more units faster. Compared to War3, SC requires next to no micro. Just gotta make sure you have the right number for miners and they’re mining the right place, and then you just go to your offense. this is not to say there’s no strat in SC. there are cannon/bunker creeps, soldiers + that hyper pack + medics, zerg over runs, etc.
omfg
I’ve finally lost my mind.
I had a dream that there was a rat infestation in my garage, so wanna know what I did?? I fucking released a pet naix in the garage and every like 20minutes you’d hear him mercing shit. He never reached level 6 though so I never heard “FOR KHAZ MODAANNNN”
The only thing I don’t agree with is you saying SC doesn’t involve micro. When you watch the top replays, the amount of stuff that is going on at once is out of this world. They’ll be attacking one base, while reaver dropping (or whatever else they can do) an expansion or two. While doing this they’re still building up their bases and ensuring constant units are being pumped out. The speed that they play at is insane. I love WC3, and I think its the better game for me, but the people who loved SC were the people who actually played at the higher level.
The game was more about macro than anything, managing yoru economy while keeping the enemy constantly on defense is what it was all about. But then again, you always had to be careful for little tricks that were map specific. Each map had something unique to offer and each starting position had its advantages/disadvantages to each race. I dunno… I guess you could say WC3 had this, when you look at starting positions that were very prone to hidden towers or NE tree expansions… but still, I think SC was the most fast paced and complex game.
Just because there are more things in WC3 doesn’t mean it is the most complex.
OMFG, I have class in 3 minutes. End of post.
ya SC requires insane micro.
i saw a vid of this korean guy who used SCV’s to take the hits for his marines while they repaired eachother :looney: And if one ever died they would all shift to close the gap and to top it all off he had medics behind the marines who would be using one of their spells (I cant remember what it did). During this whole time he was sending in firebats and expanding. Thats how you rape protoss for free with terran.
P.S.
Terran ftw. Best race in the game if you got the micro.
That’s pretty much why I like SC better - I don’t feel like picking up WC3. I played WC3 a few times and WC3 is probably a better game.
SC requires significantly more strategy than you think. I used to play it hardcore (on ladder back when not everyone had 9999 rating). There’s more to it then mass units.
The thing that makes ppl think SC takes less skill are $$$ maps like BGH and fast maps. I haven’t played WC3 on bnet so I can’t say if WC3 have $$$ maps too. But on a fast map in SC, the loss of one unit doesn’t matter too much. Just build 319471947197 unit factories and mass units. Tactical units and spells like wraiths, queens, distupting web, hallucination become much less useful.
I’ve played a few very very good games on a bliz map (not BGH). You can’t just mass units in those. You have to scout, see what the enemies are doing, and counter with the right units. You see mass infantry? go lurks. They teching? hit early. No detectors? drop some DTs. IMO, SC is more about countering than massing. That’s why scouting is so important.
I’ve played a few dozen games where both teams are low on resources and all the mining sites are mined up. You won’t believe how much difference a few queens or a pack of wraiths can make.
So my point is, SC isn’t necessarily simplier. It just seems so because nearly everyone on US west and East plays $$$ maps.
what i said was that SC doesn’t involve as much mirco as War3. In SC you usually micro a couple of units as one (like a group of dragoons or something). You micro placement of lurkers and what not. I would be a fool if i said SC doesn’t involve micro.
in sc if you dont have insane micro, you arent going to be able to because evertyhing happens so fast.
i said war3 was more complex because theres so many more factors you have to take into account. i dont understand how more variables doesnt mean more complex?
I get my Internet back today. Let’s play a big game of Starcraft. Does everyone have Brood Wars?