Well, that just seems like having standards. It seems weird to ascribe dominance/submission to what’s essentially a verbal contract.
If a girl tells a guy “No, we will not be having sex on at least the first three dates. If that’s a problem, we can date elsewhere”, is that being dominant?
P.S.: Since dime says he’s done, I don’t expect him to answer. Again, I’m just making conversation.
This role play thing that your wife likes is just that- Role play for her own enjoyment. In which restaurant you are going to eat is a non-issue. Can you actually “lead her” into committing to big, hard sacrifices like losing weight which you said is important for you, or finding a more demanding but higher paying job “for the sake of the family” like how you worked jobs that permanently damaged your health “for the sake of the family”? Have you tried voicing a big demand like this before?
Another example of some pitiful, depressing shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyiFEA1xVh8
It seems like that sap is still inclined to be tolerant of this bitch… unbelievable that any man puts up with that. Notice right from the start he mentions “ran into my car again…”… this is apparently an ordinary, expected thing for her. Why should anyone, male or female tolerate repeated destruction of your personal property, and abuse… it’s stupid.
Some men stay away because of shit like this that proves these creatures to be little more than a dangerous toxin that ruins everything in life.
Meh, I have no sympathy for men like that. Raise your voice, move, go get a new girl, call the cops, put out a restraining order etc. He sounds like like a woman.
The closest I’ve been to this is when some random (but hot) blond girl on drugs knocked on my door and invited herself into my house. I thought she knew my wife who was on the phone at the time in the other room, but my wife came out and was like… who’s this?
Then I realized what was up and I tried to tell homegirl to kick rocks but she wouldn’t leave. So I tried to physically push her out of the house but I wasn’t using man strength on some random girl… don’t want to go to jail… so I was bitchy with my aggro and very non man like. As soon as I touched her home chick exploded and was don’t touch me, I know you want me, don’t touch me perv… my wife’s jaw on the floor and my wife looking like she about to get aggressive, so I told homegirl firmly that if she didn’t leave I was going to call the cops.
Bla bla, it took about 5 minutes to get the crazy bitch out my house.
Only time I’ve ever really felt helpless.
But still, this guy is with this woman, knows what she’s like and she’s not at all afraid of physically attacking him.
I’ve never touched or raised a mean hand to my wife, but she knows getting violently physical with me would be a mistake.
That shit isn’t tolerated.
This guy needs to grow a pair, he’s half the reason society is so fucked today. These women shouldn’t be able to find men willing to put up with their stupidity.
After watching this
https://youtu.be/LPW3eLWiBnA
I would question the circumstances involved regarding to why shit happens.
Snatched up from the General discussion thread:
So let me sum this up:
Hot guys ain’t getting away.
Rich guys ain’t getting away.
Good guys ain’t getting away.
Smart guys ain’t getting away.
The only way you can avoid the car wreck is by not taking the ride.
-Starhammer-
Funny thing is that most of them would probably take offense if you were to suggest that the vast majority aren’t really that different from prostitutes… actual prostitutes are just “official” whores.
I’ll bet that guy wishes he had just bought a regular whore now… even a high priced one wouldn’t cost him as much as that wife did. :lol:
I think men should really think about the numbers there for a few minutes…think of whatever that number is that’s sitting in your accounts right now—and imagine if suddenly a large percentage of that…maybe even half… has to go to the ex wife…and perhaps she’s entitled to a percentage of future earnings…forever. I don’t think anyone can honestly say they would not be pissed about that. Oh yeah let’s visualize some real numbers there…what if across all accounts you have 60 grand in there… well now that’s 30 because she, the judge and the lawyers say so…or let’s say you have 20 grand and now that’s cut to 10…or perhaps she gets something like 400 per month out of you from here going forward. It amazes me that anyone could possibly be ok with that horseshit.
“Meeting MGTOWs”?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/stormhammer/Charlton%20Heston%20Laugh_zpseqhtrpn1.gif
Nice try.
-Starhammer-
I don’t know if it’s a trend, we don’t know how big MGTOW is but i’m guessing it’s a very small minority of men.
The last time I checked the stats they said that a little under 1 percent of men in the US officially live the MGTOW lifestyle. That’s a million men more or less and that’s only in the U.S. That’s not even counting the ones who follow the movement in other countries. It may not be a mainstream thing but it’s gaining some steam.
1% of 300 million is 3 million… just saying 
Is this required reading to join the movement guys?
Only about 100 of those 300 million are men though.
I’m sure you thought this was clever, but…
Yes. I’ve met guys who have identified as a “Man Going His Own Way”, complete with linking me to MGTOW-centered websites.
So what’s your point?
hmmmm. My point(s)…
Men who are going their own way, speaking to a woman about going their own way…some woman just walks up to them and goes,“So hey. what about dat mgtow eh?”, and they just get to yaking…when one of the MAIN things that a MGTOW won’t do is identify as such in public…ESPECIALLY TO A WOMAN…
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/stormhammer/Charlton%20Heston%20Laugh_zpseqhtrpn1.gif
…And “so many of the exchange bitterness towards women who AREN’T the docile, virginous innocents who will allow themselves to be dominated.”
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/stormhammer/Charlton%20Heston%20Laugh_zpseqhtrpn1.gif
I’ve got three running theories here. Either one, you got conned by wanna-bes and fakes, or two: These,“MGTOW” you’ve been talking to sound more like guys who went looking for the BDSM chicks, but walked into the wrong places and naturally got undesireable results. Third theory is that these were more than likely men’s rights activists. They are a bit more open about speaking in public. MGTOW are more like ghosts. The few that are public are usually at such a financial status that they can’t be harmed by the courts nor society.
However, all is not lost. www.mgtow.com Just read. Do not make a login as you’re a woman, but please do go read. It’s a men’s only site, but nobody minds you looking. It’s not that your story can’t be right, but I wouldn’t put a dime on it.
-Starhammer-
I did mention my job involves therapy and various forms of counseling, right? So, first, it wasn’t “in public”.
Here’s another thing: people in general like believing their beliefs or actions are justified. Some men are very willing to talk to a woman about uncomfortable subjects including women as long as they feel like someone’s hearing their point of view. This is ESPECIALLY when it’s something they’re “not supposed to identify as in public”, because that inherently breeds frustration.
I’ve actually been there, already. As well as r/MGTOW, goingyourownway.com, and a few other locations. My point, however, stands. A not-insignificant number of MGTOW men are people who aren’t really doing a good job of going their own way and are more preoccupied with women who don’t fit their perfect vision of innocence, docility, or wholesomeness.
I won’t say “most” because I don’t have enough data to make that kind of assessment. But, it’s common enough to be a curiosity for me.
Now we have this succubusqueef person adding absolutely nothing constructive to the conversation.
Told Dime he was wrong or something and sarcastically said Starhammer was clever. Can’t really tell what he/she is talking about at all actually lol.
You seemed to sum it up just fine, actually.
No, you didn’t. Considering then that it wasn’t in public…
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/stormhammer/Charlton%20Heston%20Laugh_zpseqhtrpn1.gif
“That boy need therapy!! Must be something wrong with his mind!! Why won’t he get off his ass and go chase the damn pussy!?!? Get married ya damn wimp!!” Yep. I can see why some guys end up on a couch having to deal with THAT on a daily basis. Me? IDGAF.
People can believe whatever they want. MGTOW is made of facts. These facts are how I make my decisions. I’m sure some men are willing to talk to a woman about uncomfortable subjects. What I think is that these men are not what I would call MGTOW. Am I right? who knows? I’m betting they’re more blue pillers still trying to work it out. As for something,“They’re not supposed to identify as” 
I remember when the same was true of being a gamer. Just sayin.
You could’ve just said,“A Significant number of MGTOW…” :bluu:
As for your assessment of these men "not doing a good job of going their own way, " You can go put it on the shelf next to the tired phrases of “He must be gay” “some woman must have hurt him,” "and the most popular shaming language slogan of the past 30+ years,“you can’t get no pussy”. Personally, I’ve heard them so much that I tune them out almost on instinct. I know I don’t give a damn about your assessment. Be glad I’m not nearby because I would tell them to stop giving a damn too. Go out. Do that thing you like doing. Stop putting your life and sanity on the line for a person or persons who do not and will not give you even an ounce of happiness. It’s nearly laughable to me that you’re a therapist and even you don’t see why men are turning away from society. Don’t worry. The answers are there…In the shadows.
-Starhammer-