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No ones talking about entitlement. Iām talking about an average dude with a decent down to earth personality being able to get an average woman with a decent down to earth personality.
Right now it seems like guys that are 5ās are walking around with chicks that are 3ās and guys that are 7ās are fucking with chicks that are 5ās.
Shit is totally fucked.
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And being a woman is an instant win card? 
For a moment, I forgot how oppressed these poor creatures are. Sorry, but if she aināt worth it, she wonāt get it. Donāt know why that is so hard for you to see.
OMG. This one did it. 
A gif shall not be enough. You deserve the full movie scene this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg1t_nGaDLs
All the emotions here. Not like anyone needed your admission, but at least you have. Trying to shame me into being a PUA? Youād have better luck washing a tank off the road with a garden hose. I believe I have made this quite clear, but I shall reiterate. I DONāT GIVE A FUCK. literally I donāt.
āMGTOW Is counter-evolutionaryā. Well, at least he didnāt say itās literally Hitler. Personally, I havenāt been given reason enough to care. Society wants to tell me how Iām a rapist just because Iām a man, how we need to do more for our women, and brow beat and shame anyone who dares give a voice to menās wants and problems. I in particular find fault with your,āevolutionary processā. Basically, I have to pay for a child that I may never get to see, and even worse, may not even be mine. If I end up unable to do so (Remember when I asked you about losing your job? Hereās one of the reason why.) I can then be PUNISHED by going to jail. Jail for not paying a bill. :wtf: However, I do have an answer for this problem. You want some sperm to āContinue the evolutionary processā? Itāll be $50,000 USD per specimen, payable by cash, check, or wire transfer. I am open to rates if multiple specimen are to be purchased. Sorry. all sales are final and all product is non-returnable. See? Society can get want and So will I. I know the ladies will be kinda mad about it since theyāve been cut out of the deal, but letās face it. My ugly, broke, no game havinā ass aināt gettinā no pussy no ways.
For the record, MGTOW is more or less a side-effect. Kind of like all these drugs these days.
āWarning: Male-bashing for some 50 years may cause MGTOW. Other symptoms include loss of men caring about women, decreased marriages, withdrawl from society, and in extreme cases, societal collapse and death of the human race.ā If that label had been on the bottle of Feminism from the start, there probably wouldnāt be a MGTOW.
Respect is appreciated, but not required.
:wow: OH GOD NO!!! HEāS GONNA END ME!!! HEāS GONNA END MY CAREER!! HEāS GONNA END ITā¦FOR GOOD!!!
Now I gotta do it again, but this time itāll be the gif.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/stormhammer/Charlton%20Heston%20Laugh_zpseqhtrpn1.gif
Personally, I like it much better when it was,āAttack me if you dare, I will crush youā. Just sayin.
Youāre not going to āEndā anything. Walking in here with your claws out and your fur all up is an automatic loss. Why? Because I was never here to fight you in the first place. Everything youāve said so far breaks against the facts. Give me ONE fact that states that I cannot work at home, making enough money for myself. Show me ONE fact that states I MUST go forth and procreate. Show me anything that backs up the claims youāve made in this thread. You can save yourself a trip because some of it I checked, and some of it I already knew. None of it is even marginally effective. You see, MGTOW was never THE way. Itās not the way, the path, the movement, or any other label you could try to put on it. At best, It is only a collection of information. Information gathered by men not unlike yourself. As you are all aware, certain patterns have emerged from this information. The most noticeable has been the avoidance of women and society by these men. If it was one or two guys in their momās basement, nobody wouldāve cared. After all, a couple of guys wanting to simply avoid society isnāt going to hurt. Thereās still plenty others to go around.
Then it becomes a dozen. Then two dozen. Then some over here, then over there. Now theyāre grouping up in corners at schools, some public buildings. Next thing you know, theyāre talking about these freaks on TV and how theyāre detrimental to society. Popular TV stars are publicly shaming these weirdos, saying how ātheyāll never be good for anythingā and āTheyāll never get laidā. Some years go by and, despite the obvious public disapproval of these activities, they have not only NOT shut down, they have grown. Now the message has changed from one of ridicule to one of fear and anger. āThese people are a DANGER to society!! Their actions have dangerous consequences for YOU and your LOVED ONES!! You should NOT associate with these people and you should not participate in their activities!!ā Goes the big government warnings. And still, despite all the terrible warnings, despite all the reasons given as to why you shouldnāt be nor should associate with these people, IT JUST KEEPS GROWING!! Kids, Adults, Men, Women, EVERYBODY!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!..
But it didnāt stop. No. People began to learn. Learn and adapt. They stopped being so afraid of these freaks, and after learning why they do what they do, many other people started doing it to. Now these one time outsiders are as much a part of society as automobiles and Color TV. No longer shunned, it is not uncommon to see buildings, TV shows, and many, if not all forms of current culture being influenced in some way by the actions of those handful who simply did what they wanted despite societyās opposition.
Oh. Wait. Did you think I was talking about MGTOW? nah, that was a TL;DR on the history of videogames. You see, this whole thing has happened before, is happening now, and will most likely happen again. Then, as now, The butthurt will come and go. Society hates it because MGTOW has proven that they do not need society, but society still needs MGTOW, at the least, they need them to contribute to society. The government is mad because they canāt profit from it. Feminists are mad because it blocks their power with a simple, singular word: āNoā.
As Gandhi said:
First they ignore you.
Then they mock/ridicule you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
So there you have it. Another wall of truth from yours truly. I donāt know about the rest of you, but I havenāt laughed this hard for this number of hours in a row since accidentally drinking a beer with a percocet. Thank you Mr. Core. If ever we meet, I owe you a few roundsā¦of beer. or vodka. not bullets. 
Booze before bodycounts. :tup:
-Starhammer-
Iām talking about average in every sense of the word. Iām talking about high tier in every sense of the phrase, and same with low tier.
Guys and girls are judged differently. For a guy I would consider average to be:
Average looks, average personality, average job, average social ability.
Lots of guys like that, that I see canāt get a date with a girl I would consider around the same quality, but for different criteria:
Average facial looks, average body, average personality.
Iām not speaking for myself. Iāve punched above my weight more than a few times just cause I was willing to do the work and gain social proof via whatever avenues I could, hot pivots, my own place when young, willingness to emote around womenā¦ etc etc.
But Iāve found that chicks be over valuing the hell out of themselves nowadays. Girls that are average or just above that think they should be getting the guys with the sports cars, six packs and model looks. The actual super hot chicks look for the same in a fuck buddy, or for money in a steady dude.
Average dudes like I said seem to only be able to get below average chicks on the looks factorā¦ thatās basically what Iām talking about. And even though Iāve punched above my weight on occasion, itās pretty amazing how many available average or below average chicks thumbed their noses to me back when I was a good dresser, had a nice body, ok job and car, just cause my game wasnāt the tightest.
I know how it all works now but my basic problem is that average chicks, in my book shouldnāt take above average skills/abilities/social status to get.
Iām not talking about sleeping around in this context. Both sexes are getting around nowadays.
Core series, recognise that normies are getting scammed hard today. Before the 1960s all you needed was a half decent job to get laid and marry a woman with a low notch count. Now it means shit. Women have mad options now, thanks to men, and they are returning the favor to them by being whores and taking their lunches. now you have to roid it up (if you arenāt 6ft), social proof it up (fame) and be rich (not just have a job) just to stand out. This is where the bar is set now for boys growing up.
Dime_x is spot on about guys dating down in the West. This is why I went overseas. I wanted to date up. The best I ever did in the anglosphere was date a girl as pretty as I am handsome.
I know many guys in a similar situation as him. 2 kids and the wife gets really fat, doesnāt work, clean or cook. What surprises me is how these guys still want to have sex with their humongous women. I subtly fat-shamed one of them into starving herself, seemed to workā¦
What? You didnāt answer my question. Do you feel the emotion many people call love toward your son?
Like, the desire to protect and/or care for him, or to sacrifice yourself for him, or to put him above yourself in importance in the sense of making sure he grows to be whatever you consider a good adult, even if it costed you everything you had
For that matter, how do you define love?
kinda missed out on a vid or two. Let Popp lighten the load and your mood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MVa9lHes98
-Starhammer-
http://www.returnofkings.com/16258/debating-the-mighty-1-to-10-scale
This is a good picture for ratings. The right hand 5.5 is the prototypical chick that i think of as average. To me sheās a 5. The straight 5 chick in the middle I would also consider average. Back before I had any semblance of game I couldnāt get these kinds of chicks even though I had a trade job, dressed well, was a nice dude and had my own place. The 6.5 pictured here is the girl I personally think is the hottest one. Thatās the kind of girl that I never get. The one pictured at 7.5 and considered the hottest is about what my wife was like when we first met.
But now my wife is closer in looks to the left hand 3, except blond. My wifeās still prettier, but not by muchā¦ itās all the weight.
I donāt see why it takes game of any kind to get the 2 girls I mentioned. Thatās my problem with women nowadays. I actual,y would be happy dating chicks of that level more or less, even WITH game, just because I donāt want all the drama and work that it takes to keep up with the 8-10ās
Thatās why guys are pissed off, from my perspective. The average chicks take above average game to get.
Maybe you disagree and think those 5ās require no game for average dudes. But thatās not what Iāve seen.
And Iām not talking about outliers here Iām talking in general. There will always be outliers like me scoring my wife back in the day before I had gameā¦ but I digress. The dating game just seems rigged without game, and with game it just seems like a lot of work and trying to be something you arenāt, or at the very least something that you arenāt at all times.
I finally looked at that link. Nice article. :tup:
yep. Itās shit like that which causes a problem that is often referred to as,āThe juice isnāt worth the squeeze.ā
Now, these men arenāt necessarily MGTOW, they just simply decide to drop out of the game. Their reason being that they are putting in a great amount of effort, sometimes too much, only to get 2s,3s, and 4s who often act like the man is lucky to have been chosen by them.
Now, this is not something I would say is a reason for a man to go MGTOW. Why? Doesnāt fit. Not all women are sub-standard brown baggers with inflated egos. You might have to leave your local area to find something more your taste, but theyāre out there. Eventually. If youāre going to play cunt hunt, then do so. My advice, as always, is to be careful.
Looks back at the ā1sā on the listā¦
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/stormhammer/tumblr_n3bpo9UF141r2dgsfo3_500_zpsxnymrzge.gif
EDIT: Big ups to all of you who have shared your own stories here. :tup: I know it isnāt easy, but just know youāre helping others. I for one salute you.
-Starhammer-
My theory is that some of those average chicks have hooked up with dudes who were out of their league, but who settled for them because they wanted to get off and she was available. So now, those chicks think their sexual market value is more than it really is.
Plus, legions of thirsty dudes coming at them only feeds that perception that theyāre more attractive than they are.
heh, the bottom half of his ranking system in that article is about how I see itā¦
Some would say Iām a bit too generous in terms of who would rank high, but I think itās fairā¦ things that are below a 5 are the bad ones from the middle-ground ā5ā and upā¦thatās a positive, obviouslyā¦and as mentioned there; itās the severe cases that get rated a 1 or 2ā¦ ohhhh and I love to throw out the famous examplesā Gabby Siddebe, in my opinion, would be in that categoryā¦probably a 2. Iām not sure she could improve even after drastic weight loss, like if she got that bypass surgery.
Camryn Manheim is another oneā> 1.
Current day Liza Minelli --> 1.
The amazing thing to me is that we all know thereās dudes out there that would actually still pounce on these broads with the quickness like weāre talking about Stacey Keibler and Salma Hayekā¦because thereās a lot of dudes out there with either incredibly odd taste, or they just have little to no standards in what qualifiesā¦the kind that will truly fuck with anything.
Lena Dunham is another oneā¦ not as bad as the aforementioned casesā¦ Iād say sheās probably a 3ā¦could probably rank slightly higher (4?) if she put in some work on herself.
Bai Ling -> 3.5
Soon Yi -> Absolute 1ā¦holy shit, Woody Allen what is wrong with you?
Sandra Oh = 3.
Roseanne Bar = 2.
Present-day Aretha Franklin - 2
LeeAnne Rimes - 2
Glenn Close - 2
Mama June - 0
Borderline Low ā Kristen Stewart (eh, probably a 5; could be better) and Taylor Swift (probably another 5, imoā¦could possibly ascend to being a 6 or so.)
ha, this is actually a bit more interesting/fun than ranking the hot onesā¦not often we focus on any talk about the low ranks.
I canāt wrap my head around men trying to shame other men for choosing an MGTOW path. None of the arguments or insults even make any sense. Iād like an explanation as to how actively deciding to not associate with half of the earthās population is NOT the ultimate form of āsacking upā.
Itās seriously one of the most monumental go fuck yourseves Iāve ever seen.
Iām strange in my tastes I guess. In the bottom half of that article, I see the 1-4 as basically unfuckable and I donāt tend to see chicks like that very often. Maybe they are just invisible to me, but to me that may as well be another species, like thinking about whether a dolphin is attractive.
The 5 chicks in tha rating system are basically 4ās in mine, and they are the last line of fuckable. The 6ās in that system are what I consider 5ās. Average, and to me average is attractive because they arenāt āunā attractive
Then I move to the 8ās and 9ās these look virtually the same to me save for odd bitches in either category that I feel could go up or down, but for the most part I could put most of the 9ās in the 8 category and most of the 8ās in the 9 category and even mix and match cause though they are distinguishable, they arenāt on a level that I would general distinguish.
My rating system goes something like:
Fuckable if Iām desperate or drunk 4
Average but pretty 5
Hot 6
Hotter 7
8 and 9 are usually personal preference as to a chick that might be some other guys 7 but for me sheās hittin on all cylinders. Victorias secret models tend to rate as 9 for me, but I donāt think they are the most attractive women out there, I like chicks that more or less look like Britney Spears back in 2k or so, for my 10 and stuff, i.e. Chicks that are bit thicker than your average female lingerie super model. Put about 20 pounds on a lingerie model and thatās my 10.
Sorry for the double post and this maybe being off topic, but with the right perspective this lands in this thread and in the dating thread but I stay the fuck away from the dating thread.
This link shows the absolute fucking hypocritical nature of womenā¦ Iāve really had my eyes opened here and this is coming from a dude that gets chicks inviting into their places after 15 minutes of convo in an uber and Iāve also had chicks fight over me that didnāt even know my name etc etc etcā¦ Iām no model at all.
But Jesus this has opened my eyes. Thereās two ways to look at this link:
- As āgameā that one can use on chicks that he knows are into him.
- As an example of the obvious hypocrisy that women are secretly up to behind our backs, calling us creepy for saying anything sexual or looking at themā¦ but then letting a male model get away with shit like this:
Warning, the text converasations are NSFW:
http://www.tinderseduction.com/male-model-tinder-case-study/
I blame social media for guys thirsty over low tier women and giving them unrealistic expectations.
FFS so the āski town epidemicā goes beyond such. Why I say this, is in ski towns majority of the population involving singles is male. This gives women a huge advantage to make decisions in dating/relationships/hook ups. In a ski town where I lived in, there was a saying that if you move into the town as a guy with a woman, you leave without her. This also goes into what you guys are talking about, how women are ranked higher than usual. In ski towns, a 5 is a 7, a 3 is a 7, and any woman above average is 10. I remember going to college in the ski town, and throughout the semester I noticed how the girls caught this logic and it got fucking weird. Luckily the mountains are amazing with the powder(snow) and the drugs at the time were almost as good that a lot of dudes brushed off any drama and focused on the reason they are there.
But if this shit is going outside the ski towns, good luck to those that donāt have much else going. Iāve been too focused on career and my passion of track riding to notice it.
Yeah that phenomena exists everywhere nowadays. Itās a combo of western society, plus the fact that dudes are packed at the clubs more than the girls. So to meet a chick outside a club you have to:
- Meet em randomly on the street either via some sort of heaven sent luck, or be running daygame.
- Meet em through friends and stuff, but thatās weird unless you are hyper social, most chicks will be after the alphas of your social group.
- Online via tinder or some match making service
- At your work or hobby spotā¦ which is super tricky cause of sexual harassment plus office relationship shitā¦ which is why so many people date online or go to clubs. But online and clubs are sausage fests.
Funnily enough I used to go bar clubs all the time and a few times, via some sort of spooky magic or some shit, I wound up in a packed club where the girls outnumbered the guys by about 60/40.
When that happened it was the opposite of a sausage fest, girls were opening easily and even coming on to use guys. I got asked to dance 3 different times that night by random girls that were like 7ās and even the 9ās in the club were super chatty and talking to basically all the guys. I saw exactly what the scarcity phenomena entails and if you can ever get it in your favor you will score like you are the only guy in the room because the women will fight over the dudes. Something else in the guys favor that night was the fact that the club was chock full of chicks that were at least 7āsā¦ so all the chicks basically knows they would have to go up to the guys to get any p,at since they guys were all basically talking to groups of girls alreadyā¦ with lots of cute/hit chicks left out cause there werenāt enough men.
Usually when that happens the chicks will leave, but in this case this was a club that could about 250 people at least so there was still a decent amount of guysā¦ itās just that the chicks outnumbered us heavily.
So basically TLDR one of the reasons why chicks are so stuck up and hard to get is they simply have to much choice in general. When a guy goes out to a club itās almost always a sausage fest so he has to work harder to get attention. Itās the opposite of when girls go to clubsā¦ and women have gotten used to that dynamic.
If it were more feasible to meet chicks in other places then there would be fewer guys at the clubs and the numbers would drop and chicks would be easier to meet, but as it is, it isnāt.
But this I think is outside of mgtow since thatās men going their own way, not trying to figure out why bitches are bitches.
man. It has gotten to THIS level. A commercial for divorce lawyersā¦for men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiDp0CEUQNI
ālook. Youāre going to get raped in court pal. Weāre here to keep as much of that divorce dick out of your ass as possible.ā
I wonder if dick wolf will make a new series of Law & Order out of this?
-Starhammer-
I donāt even know what to say. Is this a thread supported by people in their 20ās? Tell me no one here is an actual adult living in the real worldā¦
ā¦and yes, I did just say people in their 20ās are not adults.