MGTOW Chronicles:Men Going Their Own Way

[Starhammer]

Core series is like every blue pilled guy that says the politically correct garbage right until he gets rekt. I’ve personally seen many guys utter nonsense like “happy wife happy life” right until they get served by their wife. Then they try committing suicide. It’s pretty hilarious only because of how massive the flipflop is.

Marriage today is just a raw deal. Men used to be able to keep the children and all their assets, this paved the way for civilizations. There were no incentives for women to divorce their husbands for short sighted profits.

Thanks to Reagan you now have no fault divorce and because men are wisely avoiding marriage we now have cohabitation/defacto laws and child support where if you don’t pay you go to literal prison.

Me, i’m going into kids and marriage, in that order, with my eyes open and with the foresight to know the real consequences down the line. In my case, it is worth it for me to lose half my assets and child support with the woman I am with now. It’s a fair deal for me when I consider that she’s​ agreeable, 10 years younger, and attractive and willing to pop some kids out for me. It’s still a big scam but I’m signing up.

The more interesting question is, why are the laws set up this way to transfer all the resources to women. This is civilization destroying backwardsness. If men have nothing to work towards they will just work enough to eat, get high, and live in a cardboard shed; these laws encourage that.

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Calling me blue pilled is quite the laugh. I post almost exclusively in the Dating/Relationship thread.
If there was any evidence of my being blue pilled, you would find it within a matter of seconds of entering my profile.

Again, I will attempt to have a meaningful discussion and debate you on ideas.

You think the more interesting question is why are the laws set up to transfer all resources to women.
That shouldn’t be a mystery to anyone. Men have sold you out. Powerful men have climbed the social ladder to capture wealth and control,
then they turned around and kicked the ladder over so that you’d have no way of reaching their level.
They keep the truth about women to themselves. We are left at the bottom trying to piece together clues from history, as they further themselves beyond your comprehension.

They are lightyears ahead of you. Females outnumber males. Female voters, taxpayers, product consumers outnumber the male equivalent.
That is the answer to ‘the more interesting question.’

Actually, that question is boring. The more interesting question is when are you going to stop being so primitive about redressing this issue?
Perhaps you should get a real education and get some power. I don’t know, become a lawyer and politician.
Then you should resist selling your soul to globalist power brokers.
Yeah, that sounds easy and great.

Fucking keyboard warrior without two brain cells to rub together. You should become a public speaker on this issue. Wait, you’re inarticulate and have stage fright. Hmm…
Start a youtube channel to spread the message? Nah, just post in a forum about fighting games where you can pretend like you’re the dominant species because you aren’t a virgin.[/details]

I guess I got a minute or two so I’ll take this one:

Calling me blue pilled is quite the laugh. I post almost exclusively in the Dating/Relationship thread.
If there was any evidence of my being blue pilled, you would find it within a matter of seconds of entering my profile.

One, I personally wouldn’t find being blue pilled laughable.
two, I’d say that marital status aside, you’re more PUA than anything, with the difference being that you put a ring on it.

You think the more interesting question is why are the laws set up to transfer all resources to women.
That shouldn’t be a mystery to anyone. Men have sold you out. Powerful men have climbed the social ladder to capture wealth and control,
then they turned around and kicked the ladder over so that you’d have no way of reaching their level.
They keep the truth about women to themselves. We are left at the bottom trying to piece together clues from history, as they further themselves beyond your comprehension.

I know I’ve mentioned it enough times in here and other places, but I shall do so again.

We already know that a lot of men sold out. I’ve mentioned several times how society and government treat the very men they depend on. WE KNOW THIS. They will play these bitches until they get what they want, or as much as they can from them, and then they’ll kick their asses out to the curb. I know, You know, we all know. It’s another part of the game.

They are lightyears ahead of you. Females outnumber males. Female voters, taxpayers, product consumers outnumber the male equivalent.
That is the answer to ‘the more interesting question.’

Heh. they’re pandering to the larger demographic to get them to buy whatever they’re selling. Not exactly elite strats here. If anything, they’ll have a more expensive chair to sit in as they watch society fall.

Actually, that question is boring.

That does not answer the question.

The more interesting question is when are you going to stop being so primitive about redressing this issue?
Perhaps you should get a real education and get some power. I don’t know, become a lawyer and politician.
Then you should resist selling your soul to globalist power brokers.
Yeah, that sounds easy and great.

…Screw 'em. Let them continue on as is. If they want to ignore all the bad signs around them, then do so. All their,“Power” won’t be able to grow a single plant nor drive in a single nail. For all the education they may have, they don’t seem to have the slightest clue as to what their decisions are doing to the society they seem to care about. Me? No fucks given.

Fucking keyboard warrior without two brain cells to rub together. You should become a public speaker on this issue. Wait, you’re inarticulate and have stage fright. Hmm…
Start a youtube channel to spread the message? Nah, just post in a forum about fighting games where you can pretend like you’re the dominant species because you aren’t a virgin.

And now the name calling. Kinda surprised it took this long.

Well, I’ll entertain this one because it’s the end of your post. I fear this will be the longest part of my post, so spoiler mode on.

Spoiler

You know, the being a public speaker thing has been tried several times. It seems that women don’t want to hear men’s side of it. Everytime there’s a men’s conference, gathering, or anything else where men will be speaking about men’s issues, in come the hoards of feminst groups screaming all kinds of shaming language(Damn near any men’s meeting in recent memory), trying to get it shut down (Pulling fire alarms), or outright trying to get the event banned altogether (simply playing the movie,“The Red Pill” in a movie theater ).

There are plenty of YouTube channels already devoted to this issue. Just scan throughout this thread for examples. If you just need names, Look up Paul Elam, Sandman, Stardusk, and one of the newcomers I like is huMAN, Greg Silverado, and Lion Of MGTOW. in fact, just type MGTOW into the browser and hit search. I think YouTube is quite covered as far as the message goes, but that doesn’t mean that others cannot start their own channel if they wish. As you might guess, Feminist groups are trying like hell to get them shut down. “It’s MISOGYNY!!! IT’S HATE SPEECH!! IT’S SEXIST!!!” and everything else they can throw at it. I’m sure more men would be able to speak in public forums outside of the internet, but those often mentioned sellouts that would throw their fellow man under the bus seem only too happy to take that chance away. It’s funny how they claim to be “real” men, but have to bend, bow, and serve the whims of their masters, mainly women who could turn on them in a second and have them easily as broken and defeated as anyone they would claim to have power over thanks to the very rules and laws that they helped to make so one-sided against men.

“nah, Just post in a forum about fighting games where you can pretend like you’re the dominant species because you aren’t a virgin”?

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Have you looked into any mirrors lately? I think this level of hypocrisy could shatter them worse than Vegetta’s scouter!

What the fuck are YOU doing if not the very same thing? You yourself said that you post almost exclusively in the dating/relationship thread. What, are you doing it to show the rest of us that you’re not a virgin? Are you one of the dominant ones? Yo Charlton? Hit 'em again.

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Back on topic: In case you’re STILL wondering why this thread is here, here is the answer:

1: It didn’t exist before
2: I actually go to this site for more than just fighting games.
3: It was important enough to me to make and maintain it.

I knew from the start there would be a number of people who would come in and try all sorts of shaming and blaming tactics when I started this thread. I also knew that there would be a few out there who would ask,“Hold up. Is this for real?” You see, I didn’t have this kind of knowledge when growing up. If I can’t do anything else, I’ve at least provided another place where young men can look and learn. A bonus is that a few people here have actually found the information and advice useful. That is all that I have hoped for

…And there you have it. BTW, if I haven’t already said it yet, thanks to the SRK staff for allowing me this space to spread the word. You coulda shut it down, but you didn’t. :tup:

-Starhammer-

[Core_Series]

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[truendymion]

Based on divorce statistics alone I don’t think human beings are built for marriage. Or at least, marriages should have a 10-year term or something and at that point, you can renegotiate. This “keeping yourself solely unto her for as long as you both shall live?” just doesn’t work in real life in most cases.
FYI I am married and coming up on the 10 year anniversay…

[Core_Series]

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[Sillender]

hahahahahaha the gist im getting is tl;dr tradition based on religious text is retarded who knew??

if you think being a man sucks in this society then u suck at being a man

[pedoviejo]

Based on divorce statistics alone I don’t think human beings are built for marriage. Or at least, marriages should have a 10-year term or something and at that point, you can renegotiate. This “keeping yourself solely unto her for as long as you both shall live?” just doesn’t work in real life in most cases.
FYI I am married and coming up on the 10 year anniversay…

When yoy have no societal pressure and incentives to stay married if course it wont work. Tge average human is a hypersexual degenerate that would place immediate pleasure before anything else. Marriage worked because society at one point dictated that it must work and should have worked. Iits how we evolved from useless hunter gathers with no underatanding of our world, to becoming masters of our destiny.

Either society chooses to continue what made us great in the first place, or we regress to a civilization that is hedonistic and will fail under the weight of the cancer we collectively choose to embrace because of some idiotic and irrational belief in my needs.

[xEGAxBeastkingx]

hahahahahaha the gist im getting is tl;dr tradition based on religious text is retarded who knew??

if you think being a man sucks in this society then u suck at being a man

[Starhammer]

Based on divorce statistics alone I don’t think human beings are built for marriage. Or at least, marriages should have a 10-year term or something and at that point, you can renegotiate. This “keeping yourself solely unto her for as long as you both shall live?” just doesn’t work in real life in most cases.
FYI I am married and coming up on the 10 year anniversay…

Finally someone with some brains and experience. I renegotiate with my wife every few months, being that I’m worth far more than she is.
You simply need to be willing to have a debate with your woman and let her know she’s on the chopping block, respectfully and without saying it of course.
It is a skill. You must develop it and hone it until it becomes your first nature. Forget every Disney movie that your beta parents ever placed in front of you.

My wife of 8 years is a red pilled, ride-or-die bitch and I made her into that. No woman is born that way. Take some responsibility for the job that must be done.
She sucks my dick, prepares my bulking meals and cleans the entire house. I don’t even need to ask. My wife literally laughs at the basic bitches she knows, including relatives and her own mother.

I don’t even sleep in the same room as her because I prefer to fall asleep to recorded lectures from Harvard professors. She fucks and leaves my space.

I can empathize with men who haven’t realized their true potential. I welcome intelligent debate. Ending your bloodline is not intelligent. Opting out of the game is ideological suicide.
My 4-year-old son already gets more bitches than Starhammer.

So tell my why you aren’t a cop-out, Starhammer. Is it because you smash scales with a sledge? Do you put your worthless paychecks through a paper shredder too?
Do random women try to fuck you on sight?

Surprise me with some new shit.

That bolded part? I also ask that of you and all the others. Please. Something new. Anything.

You…“Renegotiate” with your wife…

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This you say as if you somehow can stop her from simply calling the cops, then walking out the door, child in hand, and fucking you over in court…on your own dime. Did you not say only a few posts above this one that there are men out there who have sold out other men by doing the bidding of these women? Do you not know how quickly and gleefully these simps would use their power to stab you up the ass in court to look good in front of their fair maidens? Have you not heard of men getting screwed over so badly in divorce court that some of them end up killing themselves? This would almost be amusing if not for how serious a threat stands before you. This is worse than the first time I saw Master Tonberry coming for me and I started laughing. For 8 years you’ve been lucky, but everyday brings you closer and closer. Step by step the knife draws nearer. The worst of it all is, you’ll have no clue how close you are to meeting that shank to the back until it is too late. If you’re lucky, you won’t.

My wife of 8 years is a red pilled, ride-or-die bitch and I made her into that. No woman is born that way. Take some responsibility for the job that must be done.
She sucks my dick, prepares my bulking meals and cleans the entire house. I don’t even need to ask. My wife literally laughs at the basic bitches she knows, including relatives and her own mother.

You…what?

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What the fuck? You “made” her? What, you mean like some kind of “build-a-bitch” workshop? Is this chick the BT-1000? Is THAT how the game is played? how complicated is this shit? Does it involve genetic splicing? Does she have customizable colors and parts? Does she come with a remote control or an app or something?

No wonder this guy doesn’t care about sexbots. HE ALREADY HAS ONE!!!

Seriously though. That is quite possibly the FURTHEST thing away from what I could possibly want in a woman. Some flesh covered automation with neither will nor voice of her own? I wouldn’t have any feelings for such a person. Oh yeah, I’d make sure to run a diagnostic during those “renegotiations” you have with your wife. Just to make sure the programming doesn’t get corrupted or something. I mean, you never know what might happen while she’s got your dick in her mouth.

I don’t even sleep in the same room as her because I prefer to fall asleep to recorded lectures from Harvard professors. She fucks and leaves my space.

…(Is it me, or did it get kinda dark in here?)

That sounds like the way I would treat the kind of person you have described thus far. Not as a person that I feel is worthy or deserving of my heart or a place in it, but a person who is good for little more than cooking, cleaning, sex, and little more than that. A person who is Little more than property that can be discarded if it fails to perform up to a certain standard. If a woman failed to be more stimulating to me than a harvard lecture, I wouldn’t be able to share my house with them for a night, much less 8 years.

I can empathize with men who haven’t realized their true potential. I welcome intelligent debate. Ending your bloodline is not intelligent. Opting out of the game is ideological suicide.
My 4-year-old son already gets more bitches than Starhammer.

How adorable. His toddler is out getting pussy. I hope his pre-school job will help pay that child support in case the inevitable should happen.

What does your continued bloodline do? Name me ONE benefit that I would get from my “continued bloodline”. Mater of fact, explain to me the intelligence of continuing it if you don’t want to? I’ll wait.

“Opting out of the game is ideological suicide?”

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You’re just doing it on purpose now aren’t ya?

for the record, this is the definition of ideology.

Ideology

MGTOW is none of these things. We’re not talking about men who think that the courts are against them, w’ere talking about men who have been through the ringer in divorce court and have seen it first hand. It’s not men talking out of their asses about how bitches try to monkey branch to and from guys, but those who have the actual experience. Me? I’m lucky enough to learn from such men and I have made their knowledge available here for others who want it.

So tell my why you aren’t a cop-out, Starhammer. Is it because you smash scales with a sledge? Do you put your worthless paychecks through a paper shredder too?
Do random women try to fuck you on sight?

“cop out”. Why not just say “coon” or “sell out!” or,“Starhammer’s not a REAL Nigga”? maybe those will work.

Haha. Shaming language again? You’re worse than Ichigo Kurosaki. I guess trying to belittle others must be your version of GETSUGA TENSHOU!!! I have to admit, “You’re fat!!” and “you’re Poor!” doesn’t have the same ring to it.

You see all these fucks I have to give? Of course not, because I have NONE. You keep arguing about feelings and emotions.

Fear does not work on me.
shame does not work on me.
anger does not work on me.
manipulation does not work on me.
I do not need anyone’s validation. I have no need to brag about what I do, what I get, etc.

as for why I’m not a cop out?

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No matter what you or anyone else tries to say or do to push me, it will be me who determines my worth. I do not need acknowledgement from anyone else but the guy I see in the mirror.

I and I alone determine my future.

My path, My rules, My destiny, MY. OWN. WAY.

Now it’s my turn. Here’s a couple of questions for you:

What do you think your loyal lady will do if you end up in an accident?
What if you lose your job?
what if you get sick and have to stay home a few days? weeks? Years?
What if those medical bills start to pile up? You know kids get sick all the time after all.
What if you have to move into a smaller house until you can get back on your feet?
What if you DON’T get back on your feet?

What happens now?

Is she going to be there for you then? You see, Everybody is “ride-or-die” when you’re cruising down easy street. It’s when the road gets bumpy or worse, turns into skid row that you start seeing who’s really going to be by your side. A lot of men who are considered MGTOW have learned to their regret that the woman they were with would leave them in an instant if things got rough. Loyalty? Faithfulness? Trust? They are pretty words, are they not? However, how many have said them, only to be proven as liars when put to the test? You’ve said it before. This is a game, and you’ve walked in from the LOSING side. The house is against you and you’re just betting each and every day that you can draw even. How many more days until your luck runs out? How long before the Tonberry named society finally stabs you in the back? How long until the game plays you?

-Starhammer-

[Core_Series]

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[Starhammer]

hahahahahaha the gist im getting is tl;dr tradition based on religious text is retarded who knew??

if you think being a man sucks in this society then u suck at being a man

Just sayin.

-Starhammer-

[Gasaraki]

@“Core Series”

Do you feel love toward anyone? I’m guessing you “care about your offspring”, but it doesn’t SOUND like you “love your son”. What about your parents?

[Infernoman]

You’re a slippery fish but you’ve raised your game enough to contend with my rhetoric. I have the utmost respect for that.

We already know that all women are hypergamous sluts with no sense of morality.
We also know that there are enough thirsty beta-males to fuel this insanity into infinity.

There is a fork in the road of human history, and we are making it right now.

But let’s think honestly now and not let ego catch the better of either of us…except for me obviously.

I have single-handedly converted multiple females into cock-sucking anti-feminists. What have you done other than end your bloodline?

Whoa hold up everyone we got a badass in here!

[Starhammer]

You’re asking for respect without deserving it in any way. That’s your problem.

So far from being correct that you might have just landed in a parallel universe. The respect of others means little to nothing to me, so long as I can carry myself in a way that I can respect myself.

I will answer your questions in more elaborate detail after I return from the United States Embassy.
My son needs a new passport. We have an appointment in 2 hours.

I’ll have the ice cream on standby.

What do you think your loyal lady will do if you end up in an accident?
I don’t care what she does. I don’t have to work. I don’t live paycheck to paycheck.
I don’t expect loyalty. Women aren’t loyal. She stays with me because I’m financially secure, intelligent and I provide the best chance for our offspring.
Why would you pretend anything else?

so…Why in the name of the 29 hells did you marry her? Why, in your own words, would you even allow this creature that has no loyalty, except to your ability to provide for her? You’ve just described one of the very types of women that MGTOW would tell you to run from as if she were the Devil made flesh.

come to think of it, wtf kinda chick IS this? :wtf:

What if you lose your job?
You know I don’t have a job, right? I run multiple businesses which I started from scratch.

On this planet, that’s called a job. Also, you didn’t answer the question of what you would do if you lost it, or them.

what if you get sick and have to stay home a few days? weeks? Years?
What if you stop copping out and get some decent insurance plus save some money for a rainy week/month/year?
Secure your own survival first and foremost. If you’re asking these questions, you must be lacking in resources.
I will enlighten you on how to manage your resources after you display some readiness.

“cop-out”. You keep saying that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means.

What if those medical bills start to pile up? You know kids get sick all the time after all.
My kids are rarely sick, and when they are I pay cash. I have a 7-year-old daughter and a 4-year-old son.
I’m in a position to speak on how often kids get sick. You are not.

I guess,“Just because I’ve never been married and then divorced I’m in no position to speak on how bad things can go.” Even though I don’t have any kids of my own, I’ve always seen a TON of them whenever I had to go to the infirmary on base. So yes, I was in the position to speak on how often kids get sick, among other things.

What if you have to move into a smaller house until you can get back on your feet?
What if you DON’T get back on your feet?
Then you weren’t prepared and shouldn’t have married or had children.
Should have had all your bases covered beforehand.

oh great. the old,“It’s your fault!” ploy. Sometimes shit happens. People who think they’ve got it under control find out just how easily they can lose it. If you can find Hillary Clinton before she croaks, ask her about the time she almost became president before losing to some orange faced pussy grabbing misogynist…and a black man.

Holding down a good woman is work. You just don’t want to work.

Work for the chance to give some chick a chance to run off with everything I worked for? You’re damn straight I don’t want to work for that. Go get some pussy with a person that cannot be trusted, has no loyalty to me outside of my ability to provide, and may simply cash out at any time with what I have plus what I’ll earn? If there is a good side to that I must have missed it. I’ll be happy to let you show me the error of my ways.

No one is guaranteed tomorrow and yesterday was borrowed. Are you on benefits or something?

You would have me spend tomorrow forever paying for a mistake of the past?

Look, everything you’ve described in the past few posts are IMO like a nightmare narrated by the person living it. Your very words would’ve made me flee marriage in fear if I hadn’t already abandoned it. I don’t care if you throw every ounce of shaming language you can find at me, the answer remains NO. I don’t need a woman. I don’t want one, and the way society is right now, They are a dangerous liability that I can ill afford. MGTOW: I walk alone like batista ring entrances.

-Starhammer-

[truendymion]

Based on divorce statistics alone I don’t think human beings are built for marriage. Or at least, marriages should have a 10-year term or something and at that point, you can renegotiate. This “keeping yourself solely unto her for as long as you both shall live?” just doesn’t work in real life in most cases.
FYI I am married and coming up on the 10 year anniversay…

When yoy have no societal pressure and incentives to stay married if course it wont work. Tge average human is a hypersexual degenerate that would place immediate pleasure before anything else. Marriage worked because society at one point dictated that it must work and should have worked. Iits how we evolved from useless hunter gathers with no underatanding of our world, to becoming masters of our destiny.

Either society chooses to continue what made us great in the first place, or we regress to a civilization that is hedonistic and will fail under the weight of the cancer we collectively choose to embrace because of some idiotic and irrational belief in my needs.

God damn, you seem so repressed. There’s nothing degenerate about being hypersexual (or weed for that matter). Marriage has always been a clusterfuck, people have always been unfaithful, had affairs, ran off and started other families. Instead of denying our natural impulses maybe we should just accept that people aren’t perfect and most can’t sustain a monogamous relationship indefinitely. Stop buying into the cultural myth.
EDIT: also, use spell check.

[RECESSIONTIME]

This whole “game your woman narrative forever” by PUA’s like Strauss and others just isn’t convincing. If you live in a society where you must continually persuade a woman into not taking the short-sighted route of divorcing you for financial freedom something is backwards. If you look at civilizations that did well they are ones where women have to offer value for the man to take on the burden of taking care of her. Men that have to continually work to keep a woman’s approval will be out-competed by men and civilizations that don’t have to - there isn’t a limit to the wants of a woman. As smug as Starhammer is, he’s correct to point out men are held hostage to their married women and no amount of re-framing is going to change this while you live in the West.

The hotter she is, the higher her notch count and more probable she will divorce you. Is the answer to this that every man in the West learns game? I don’t buy into this. I think in the short-term, yes, learn game aka Mystery method, it’s the best way to raise way to raise your value without money or lifting. In the long-term game is going to have decreased return on investment. All the thirst and welfare state has made women more hypergamous to the point if you aren’t in the top 10-15% you will be straight up ignored by women 7 and up. There needs a societal collapse to fix this, which I’m not holding my breath for.

My interim solution isn’t anabolic steroid or achieving fame. Instead I advocate travelling overseas and finding women that aren’t affected by the toxic effects of the West and ideally living there where oppressive divorce and family courts can’t rape you. It’s a better set up, only issue is money. You would need an online business that makes good money to live overseas without working. I’ve done the next best thing, got a young foreign girl that doesn’t speak a word of English to my country to make kids and care for them. For the majority of men whom this effort is a bit much they will withdraw from society much like MGTOW or Japanese herbivore men and nobody will care.

No amount of shaming, bragging or AMOGing will persuade average guys things aren’t so bad or they can somehow improve themselves to become an alpha that women chase after. For the most part, I think it is actually unrealistic. How are you going to make a short guy appealing to attractive women who have their choice with tall men? You can’t. Nothing short of becoming rich (not just wealthy) would be persuasive.

I’m doing alright but I’m not someone that can take on the globalist narrative. I have a good paying job but if I were doxed that could spell the end of my lucrative career, I’m not anti-fragile like Rooshv or Cernovich. Not yet.

[pedoviejo]

Based on divorce statistics alone I don’t think human beings are built for marriage. Or at least, marriages should have a 10-year term or something and at that point, you can renegotiate. This “keeping yourself solely unto her for as long as you both shall live?” just doesn’t work in real life in most cases.
FYI I am married and coming up on the 10 year anniversay…

When yoy have no societal pressure and incentives to stay married if course it wont work. Tge average human is a hypersexual degenerate that would place immediate pleasure before anything else. Marriage worked because society at one point dictated that it must work and should have worked. Iits how we evolved from useless hunter gathers with no underatanding of our world, to becoming masters of our destiny.

Either society chooses to continue what made us great in the first place, or we regress to a civilization that is hedonistic and will fail under the weight of the cancer we collectively choose to embrace because of some idiotic and irrational belief in my needs.

God damn, you seem so repressed. There’s nothing degenerate about being hypersexual (or weed for that matter). Marriage has always been a clusterfuck, people have always been unfaithful, had affairs, ran off and started other families. Instead of denying our natural impulses maybe we should just accept that people aren’t perfect and most can’t sustain a monogamous relationship indefinitely. Stop buying into the cultural myth.
EDIT: also, use spell check.

data shows that increased sexual partners significantly increases the odds of divorce. Data also shows that kids in two parents households outperform those who are raised in divorced homes. Hyper sexuality is wrong if your goal is to raise kids with the optimum chances of success, or full fulling your obligation that you willingly choose to engage in.

Hyper sexuality is wrong for society because it has real tangible consequences: decreased birthrates that lead to the import of low tier workers, complete failure of minority communities (blacks primary), increased suicide rates in men who are divorced, the extremely low academic performance of American children, increased teen pregnancies, increased STD’s, ever increasing need for welfare benefits, , ever increasing need for government involvement in raising children, a growing subset demographic of men who are completely opting out of their primary evolutionary fucking objective, a growing demographic subset of women who are depressed becasue nobody wants them anymore, increased rates in developmental problems with kids as they are born to older women who settle down once they are off the cock carousel, increased depression in women who are hyper sexual. Yes, all non issues because its just sex, and hyper sexuality and the massive shift in culture totally has no impact on society.

Yes people have always cheated, had affairs, and ran off. all shit people, but it was never the widespread problem it was today. Honestly, this wouldn’t be a non issue if the amount of money going into programs to subsidize hyper sexuality and the shit decisions and situations that arose from it in the first place weren’t in place. But that hasn’t been the case, there’s a reason why societies make rules up, becasue you can’t separate these things, and you need to force people into norms becasue they can’t do it for themselves. It’s why -ism are popular, becasue it gives people a myth they can follow and give them some semblance of order or rules they can follow to have some stability or familirarity in their lives because otherwise they wouldn’t be capable of finding it for themselves.

yada yada repressed. Its called principle, not being a fucking hypocrite, and being self aware to understand that those “impulses” have consequences. YOu probably assumed that i’m anti sex, or anti insert shit here, but its about the excess and lack of control and balance from all this shit. Its not just harmless fun becasue we have the data to back up the claim that its a god damn issue. But apparently its OK because the majority of people are no more evolved than bonobos that just fuck around all day doing nothing, and anybody that points out the problems with hedonistic lifestyles and the mainstreaming of such lifestyles is actually detrimental to society, is no better than some repressed moralist.

LOFL

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[Dime]

This whole “game your woman narrative forever” by PUA’s like Strauss and others just isn’t convincing. If you live in a society where you must continually persuade a woman into not taking the short-sighted route of divorcing you for financial freedom something is backwards. If you look at civilizations that did well they are ones where women have to offer value for the man to take on the burden of taking care of her. Men that have to continually work to keep a woman’s approval will be out-competed by men and civilizations that don’t have to - there isn’t a limit to the wants of a woman. As smug as Starhammer is, he’s correct to point out men are held hostage to their married women and no amount of re-framing is going to change this while you live in the West.

The hotter she is, the higher her notch count and more probable she will divorce you. Is the answer to this that every man in the West learns game? I don’t buy into this. I think in the short-term, yes, learn game aka Mystery method, it’s the best way to raise way to raise your value without money or lifting. In the long-term game is going to have decreased return on investment. All the thirst and welfare state has made women more hypergamous to the point if you aren’t in the top 10-15% you will be straight up ignored by women 7 and up. There needs a societal collapse to fix this, which I’m not holding my breath for.

My interim solution isn’t anabolic steroid or achieving fame. Instead I advocate travelling overseas and finding women that aren’t affected by the toxic effects of the West and ideally living there where oppressive divorce and family courts can’t rape you. It’s a better set up, only issue is money. You would need an online business that makes good money to live overseas without working. I’ve done the next best thing, got a young foreign girl that doesn’t speak a word of English to my country to make kids and care for them. For the majority of men whom this effort is a bit much they will withdraw from society much like MGTOW or Japanese herbivore men and nobody will care.

No amount of shaming, bragging or AMOGing will persuade average guys things aren’t so bad or they can somehow improve themselves to become an alpha that women chase after. For the most part, I think it is actually unrealistic. How are you going to make a short guy appealing to attractive women who have their choice with tall men? You can’t. Nothing short of becoming rich (not just wealthy) would be persuasive.

I’m doing alright but I’m not someone that can take on the globalist narrative. I have a good paying job but if I were doxed that could spell the end of my lucrative career, I’m not anti-fragile like Rooshv or Cernovich. Not yet.

As an ex pua student that is now married… fuck. I see both sides. Wife was a nice super hotty when we met, and we met before I knew about “game” she used to make me lunches and breakfast and shit, we used to party a lot and fuck all night, things were good so why not marry her? I was using game to get bitches to buy me drinks and jock me at clubs and stuff, but I had a woman so I didn’t need the one night stands (though I’d be lying If I said I never took em up on their offers) but still, my girl was good so I married her, forgot about game, got her pregnant with my son. This entire time I’m running “game” on her even though I met her without it. A coup,e times she kinda wanted to leave, but I ran some quick game (people throwing salt in our relationship, bla bla)

So I was able to do the whole mystery/pua thing of never stop gaming them. But then it happened: with my first child she almost totally lost her libido whereas before she got pregnant I had to turn her down quite a bit… and we were together for a good 6 years before she got pregnant, plenty of time to get to know her and kick the tires in every way imaginable. After the second child… it really happened… I thought it was bad enough that her libido switched off, but after my 3 year old daughter now not only do I have a wife that never wants to fuck, she’s also gained a mountain of weight. The woman I love, I’m no longer attracted to. And she won’t change from what I can tell, she always had slight weight issues but nothing serious, and i like em kinda thick anyways… but not fucking fat.

So, while I see this pua thing as something that CERTAINLY works, unfortunately western women just are never satisfied. I moved to Australia when she got preggers with our first so she could be close to the family and so I could get a “good job” that paid $40 an hour and 12 hour days, 14-20 days a month so I was making like 85k a year… think she was happy with that? Nope. All up in my shit saying my job was “basically part time” cause I didn’t work half the days of the month… even though technically I worked more hours in 14 days than a full time 8 hour job does in a month… think she cared? Nope. Think I get my dick sucked anymore? Nope. I still get lunches and breakfasts on occasion, though I’m cooking dinner almost as much as she is now, and granted I’ve had back surgery 6 months ago which has sidelined me since it was my second back surgery (doing stupid shit ass labor jobs trying to pay for her and my kids, killed my back and any chance at working a labor related field in the future) so now I’m getting workmans comp and driving for uber occasionally.

Can’t fucking divorce her cause I’ll get ass rammed, AND my children will be fucked. I care more about the children than I do the divorce court. Driving uber, I still got it. Getting invites to parties and offered to come to their place, being told stories of chicks sucking dick and looking at me like yeah nigga I suck dick, getting offered to come in and have drinks…

But I’m a good dude so I’m like no to these come ons. But man, I tell you what… while I would never go Mgtow… I like pussy to much, I can understand where these guys are coming from.

My wife gains like 90 pounds and still expects to get treated like she’s a smokin hot 22 year old with a hot body, willingness to please and voracious appetite for cock and cooking and cleaning.

Idk wtf these bitches think is happening nowadays but as a married man in a bit of a crisis, I can say hell fucking no I would never ever marry another western woman. My girl was literally perfect for me, highly attracted to me, came on to me, homies couldn’t even try to get at her, she was funny (still is actually, it’s one of the few qualities that she hasn’t lost) to now being a lazy, fat, no libido damn near unfuckable mess that doesn’t want to cook or clean and has no idea how to discipline children so it’s up to me to make sure my kids don’t become brats.

There are 2 sides to every story, but that’s my side.

On her side I can say that I took a huge step back from the marriage when she lost her libido and then gained so much weight, and she hasn’t taken my step back very well. Still wants to do stuff like go out to the park with the kids and all I can think about is towing a whale to and fro. She constantly complains about having nothing to wear cause nothing has fit for the last 4 years. So she ends up wearing sweaters and shit… fuciking sweaters.

Sweaters on women are about as fuckable as fanny packs on men.

But lol, anyways, as I say this and vent… I still do love her. Might not sound like it, no venting usually will, but I want it to work. TBH I don’t want to go out and put in work and try and find another woman or be playing the field out at night trying to hook up for random one night stands at 40.

Id much rather she just lost the weight and got her shit together.

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[Dime]

I’ve delved pretty deep into the mgtow/mra/antifeminist stuff. I’m an antifeminist myself. But I won’t take it as far as mgtow. Though I do understand the extreme response from mgtow.

Men need to learn game and shit just to talk to a woman nowadays, can’t be themselves but have to pump themselves up into some steroid freak/business owner/ silver tongued sex prophet.

Why can’t a man just be a man and still get some decent pussy is what I think a lot of guys are thinking, myself included.