This guy sounds like a complete pussy. I don’t have much sympathy for dudes who let their women walk all over them and then bitch about it. And chances are, the guys KNEW the women were like that in the first place but still decided to get married. So with that said, dude should have stood up for himself, put his woman in her place like she probably was hoping he would the whole time, and been a man about it. Instead he did what a lot of women do in that situation, which is cry.
Wha? No more Ron jeremy av?
Damn tho. you got something out of that which I didn’t, but at least you read it.
-Starhammer-
Haha, nah when Prince passed I had to switch it up. Might go back tho at some point.
I was talking more about the bits in italics in the middle. I don’t know, I’m not sure about some of these MGTOW guys. I’ve read a lot of their stuff and it makes sense some of it, but I think a lot of their problems could also be solved by having better taste in women and being willing to put your foot down when she gets out of line. I mean, I get it, because I’ve not always been good at it, but your significant other will only be as crazy and stupid as you’ll allow them to be. Women are like men in that they need someone checking them and charging them to the game if they get out of line, otherwise, they run wild and don’t respect the person they’re with.
Ah. I probably should’ve shown some love too. Man kept his stage life on point and his private life private and virtually drama free, even though he apparently had aids. :tup:
Okay. I guess I’m the one who didn’t understand. My bad. 
Still, I think that part in italics explains why a lot of guys went MGTOW. They’re probably like,"man, this chick. If I date her, I can see I’m gonna be dealing with drama if I try to go out in public with her. If I marry her, I know i’m gonna be coming home to a new Round in Tekken on the same ol’ stage every couple of days, if not every day. I want to see if she could be THE ONE, but she acts like she doesn’t have any good sense of her own and thinks I’m gonna give her everything I got when she hasn’t shown the first ounce of gratitude? Meh. Best not to get in all that crazy when I don’t see any worthwhile returns on the investment. " And then they hit a U-Turn and bail.
It used to be that men would stay and put up with that kinda shit. Just like I said, I too wasn’t any good at it, and for the most part didn’t know any better.
Right now, this newest wave of Feminism is pretty much one big global, male bashing shit test. Our government and others are failing miserably, but men in ever rising numbers are wising up and not putting up with the shit anymore. As much as I hate to even think it, I think this next election is going to determine how many more years we Americans will have as a superpower. If Hillary gets in, She’ll just continue to abuse the power she has, plus the power she’ll get. Why would she stop? I don’t know if any of the horror stories about her getting Americans killed in this, that, or the other are true, but it wouldn’t be a surprise. It’s like you had said about women not being any crazier than you let them be. The problem is that when the average man does that now, he goes to jail for it. You say shit online, it’s misogyny, and the fucking Government actually listens to this. Feels like the whole planet might be in store for a very unpleasant series of events in the near future, and I really don’t want to see it happen.
-Starhammer-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YFzrtEUTJM
Watch and learn.
Don’t worry. That song will not appear within this video.
-Starhammer-
From @Million s post in the Lounge thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvLn3wenWUM
Well dudes. You done been warned. Again.
-Starhammer-
So the mgtow movement is a bunch of guys not getting pussy and creating a “reason” why
I like comments like these. The ignorance shines right on through and the generic masculinity insults roll out. And always like how the first thing anyone says that attributes value to the female is always always her vagina. Very telling. Very telling indeed.
This is even funnier since Dab00g is a Tom Leykis fan.
Yup
Extremely defensive wussies
Tht this was a mark of the wolves sequel thread. I am dissapoint.
He may hear Tom, but I don’t think he listens.
We did that joke already.
I would forgive a lot of sins if this greasy ass world would give us another MOTW though.
-Starhammer-
Look, i get it. Women screwed you over and you have a vendetta
Tom Leykis is a gimmick, but always gave sound advice to guys who wanted to be single and get laid
Frank pretty much owned him honestly as far as good advicez
Frank Army
$40 on a date
Always use contraceptives
Set up your 401k and roth ira
Great.
But yeah he never said shit about giving up on women completely. Just always make sure you know you are your own man.
Giving complete control to a woman and letting them run your life is not the way to live.
Take me out kobe style
Leykis is a fat, bald, old piece of crap with a lot of ex wives and a vineyard. He is a rich white man who exclusively fucks escorts. This is something he admits to.
From the very first part of this post, it is obvious to me that you do not. Let me explain a little.
WARNING: long ass post inside.
Spoiler
It’s a lot like Alcoholism. You’ve got this thirst (the “Thirst” being a desire for love, a long-term relationship, your soulmate, etc.) that you think can only be solved by drinking booze. Hell, everybody else is getting it, but when YOU drink it, you always end up sick. You keep trying it out tho because society keeps telling you how great it is, despite the fact that you continue to end up in worse and worse shape. Finally, you realize the facts. What you want from the booze, in this case, love, Isn’t happening. I mean, there is maybe ONE or two good memories from drinking, but for the most part, the hangovers outweigh the fun by several hundreds or thousands of times. Now. like your Tom Leykis reference, some people decide to control their comsumption and limit it to the role of “Hit it and quit it” I.E. the PUA, or Pick Up Artist. Just like the booze, they realize that they don’t want to let the girl get in their hearts and when they see it getting to that level, they’re out. Cut her off, no more contact, move on to the next glass before they become a slobbering drunk in the street, desperate for the next pint despite the danger.
MGTOWs, on the other hand, pretty much are the ones who use the “Cold Turkey” method of dealing with things. They completely cut off contact with the thing that they know is causing them more harm than good. They won’t buy it, they won’t serve it to you, they won’t be seen with it, they simply do not want it anymore. Now, this does not come from hatred of the booze. The booze doesn’t make me drink, nor did it ever promise me anything. I thought I was going to get this if I did that, but now I realize that the things I thought were going to happen are almost certainly not going to happen, and many of the things I don’t want to happen are pretty much all that I can look forward to if I continue this path. It is what it is. We don’t hate the bar nor have we malice towards its contents. We simply don’t want what it has to offer anymore and have left it alone.
Now, some people do indeed have problems letting go. There will be those who curse the booze like,“THIS SHIT RUINED MY LIFE!! FUCK IT!!” and will denounce it. That is often referred to as,“Red Pill Rage”. Most people will have some sort of negative reaction when trying to break an addiction. No matter how much they know they need to stay away from the booze, they still WANT it.
Of course, there is the OTHER side.
Not everybody is going to be happy at your new found freedom. The guys running said bar(society and the Government in this case) aren’t gonna be happy with you to say the least. They’ll call you names like…
“PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!”
“YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE BOOZE!!” The alcoholic equivalent of,“You can’t get no pussy!”
“QUITING’S FOR WIMPS!!”
“size=5]BE A MAN!![/size]” That one is the most often used one everywhere.
Now, they’re not saying this because they care about you. Nope. They just want what you have. In this case, it would be your resources, whether it’s money, possessions, abilities via whatever work they can get from you, etc. The refusal to come back to the bar means they can’t have access to your resources. How many times do you see the bar offering up goods to the broke? What? Never? Neither do I. Once you’re empty, you’re done. No more access until you can give up the goods.
Pretty much this. He tells them all the time do NOT get married because it is a damn trap if you’re a man. It’s a trap that will leave you broke, if not broken.
I don’t know this frank person so I won’t speak on him.
Well now. Isn’t that swell advice? Too bad the Government has told them,“Hey. Don’t worry about loving the guy, Just get the jackass to marry you. We’ll take care of the rest. You’ll get half his shit and more when we’re through with him!! We’ll get you even MORE money if you have a kid or two while you’re married to him. Don’t sweat it if they aren’t his. We’ll put some legal loopholes in to make him pay for them too. We’ll put a leash around his neck so tight that he’ll be your bitch for the rest of his life!!! Just get him to put a ring on your finger, that’s all. Once you file the divorce papers, he’s YOURS. You can keep his money. We’ll get enough of it back when you spend it up on whatever.”
Don’t want them to have control over your life? well, keep them out of your life. That is the very message that MGTOW has been saying. I’m a little surprised you haven’t understood that already.
He is a fat, bald, old piece of crap. He has a lot of EX wives!! (BTW, this EX is the BAD EX. The one that does damage to you, not for you.) He is a rich man who exclusively fucks escorts. I could NOT have put that better if I tried!!! What this phrase says to me is this:
He’s been there. He’s been,“In Love”. He’s put the rings on fingers. He’s,“Manned up” and did what society wanted of him, and He’s found out that these days, that dream is virtually DEAD. He’s done it MULTIPLE times as you said and he or she pulled the plug on it every one of those times. He wasn’t rich then either because they kept draining his cash when he was married and after the marriage via divorce. That might have been the ONE lucky cloud he had during his days before fame. I think he made a podcast about this very subject, but I wouldn’t know which. He’s old, he’s bald, and the women are lining up for him.
Because they love him or his words or his show? 
I don’t think so.
His words should be the motto of the PUA crowd:
YOU WANNA BE RICH? HATE DRAMA? DON’T EVEN WANT KIDS? RENT THE PUSSY, AND ONLY THE PUSSY!!! MANY MODELS TO CHOOSE FROM!!! THE STOCK IS ALWAYS UPDATING!!!
I believe you are right in that he doesn’t say give up on women. His advice is not exclusive to either MGTOW or PUA worlds as both can learn from him. Many men in the US and abroad have avoided some pitfalls of society thanks to his words alone. Still, he is about as against marriage as anyone of any reasonable fame that I’ve heard. His reasoning is backed up by the facts and the stats, plus his own war stories. That’s why people can believe him.
I really didn’t mean to drop a novel in here, but I had a lot to say.
-Starhammer-
See shit like this. You have bad interactions with shitty women.
It is the equivalent of the middle aged single ladies who work in book stores because they enjoy their feminism
Giving a title to a movement of treating everybody as equal is
Shit
As is this bullshit. Like i get it. Your mid-life crisis is you going cellibate.
I got you.
But it just seems weird to have this vendetta.
Bet you would wife aj
No fair using The Cute. I still have withdrawl symptoms every Monday night. :sad:
would you please explain this vendetta you think I have? I simply don’t see it.
-Starhammer-
Not vendetta, but you are doing something women have done
Without the using a butch lesbian to be the dad to her kids that her baby daddy refuses to be
You have political groups lobbying for the intentional legal political/economic disenfranchisement of men and you reduce it to some petty vendetta? That’s screwed dude.
Men are 95% of all on the job deaths, yet feminists endlessly lie about the entirely disproven wage-gap
Men die 5 years younger than women, yet women specific health care receives more than 80% of tax payer subsidies for research/care.
Men are over 75% of the homeless population, because the funding goes to women shelters/services.
Male suicide epidemic…
Not to mention the skew we see in the legal system as far as sentencing, support payments in divorce, custody battles etc.
Being married I don’t really consider myself MGTOW just a supporter but men having their own issues, and their own interests being served by remaining bachelors is not a vendetta.
My advice stay single, get yourself a friendly steady financially incentivized relationship off a Tinder and stay single.
Spoiler
nope. I simply don’t see enough good in the pursuit of a relationship with a woman, and too much bad. It’s not about hate, I didn’t “go to the other team”, I’m Just simply walking away from the game. The reason for this thread is that a lot of men may be wondering what’s up with women and society just like I was. If nothing else, here’s some light that might help out my fellow men.
-Starhammer-
It is bullshit really and real feminist from the old school hate this “triggered” movement
More men need to be more self aware and stop accepting women who are fucked up in the head just because they’re hot or because the guy is afraid of being alone. Someone will ALWAYS tell/show you who they REALLY are, but a lot of people (dudes especially) either aren’t paying attention or just flat out miss the signs. Marrying for love alone is a sucker’s bet. You’re not always going to feel the same way about that woman and when those emotions fade, there better be something left, and many times, men are just as guilty as women of having unrealistic expectations in relationships.
As crazy as it sounds, I think Frank & Claire on House Of Cards have a fairly ideal relationship in a lot of ways. They would take bullets for each other, but their relationship is as much a business partnership as it is a marriage, and too few people think about their relationships like that. There are females I’ve been into and who have been into me that are hot or fun, but there has to be something else. If there isnt, what’s the point? I find that people who have little to nothing to offer are usually the ones who think they’re “amazing” and “deserve a great guy/girl” when most of the time that couldn’t be further from the truth. But these people and their mentality get accepted, especially by men because most guys are dumb and think with their dicks rather than actively vetting the women they date or marry.
I cannot tell you how many women I know who WANT a guy who’s willing to stand up to them, call them on their shit, and put them in their place (all in a non-assholish way mind you). But there aren’t a lot of guys willing to do that, and I think the rise of this weird kind of feminism, that even older school feminists like Camille Paglia, who’s awesome btw, dislike in part because men just won’t sack up and call women out when they need to be called out.
I don’t know where you’re from but there seem to be more manlets in American society than real men, especially because a lot of guys don’t grow up with great fathers and we don’t seem to have a lot of great role models for what a “real man” is these days. I have a great dad, but I’m 37 and feel like I’ve only become a “man” in the last year or so. Manhood is a difficult thing in modern American society. Real women need real men, and when there aren’t a lot of those around, the women go a little off the rails I think.
The MGTOW movement is fine if the guys TRULY don’t want to be with women, but if that’s the case, why all the hoopla and why does it seem like some of these guys want awards for doing something that, like religion, veganism, etc imo, should just be a personal choice? Again, I think some of what theyre saying has merit, but some of it just seems like attention whoring by dudes who have shit taste in women and aren’t emotionally aware enough to be able to suss out their own baggage much less someone else’s. That’s just me though, I’m not trying to shit on MGTOW, just asking questions.