Message to SNK Heads: STOP BEING SCAREDY CATS!

[Hatred_Edge]

I fully agree here. It’s like people are just shooting things down without valid proof. Just stupid bitch ideascoughSF4 forumscough.

[Keits]

well, the fact is…you’re the only one who takes the bosses seriously. lol. they’re jokes to play against. why don’t someone play you with ST Akuma and pin you in perpetual blockstun or infinites? bosses have rape power written all over them. it dumbs down the game quite a bit just adding them in.

old school ftw.

real talk.

…and no, the bosses aren’t playable/fair.

C’mon now, i like to pick on your flagship character Young Geese…when someone crosses you over from a jump and gets NAILED from BEHIND Geese’s dumb ranbu super, then i call utter bullshit.

What game are you talking about? Cause you are wrong in every instance I can think of.

And for SNK sticking to 98/xi/ngbc… i cant agree less. Personally, I agree that we should pull the few BEST SNK games to compete in, having so many. Having spent the time to learn a lot of them this year, I can tell you that I would NOT put XI or NGBC on that list. (they are fun games, but i dont think they are the most tournament worthy). Thats a discussion for another topic though.

Fact is, Young Geese isnt even the best character in Neowave. You gonna ban Choi too? Stop being a puss and learn to deal with the top tiers.

And I agree, his super is stupid… but being a high level fighting game player means accepting that EVERY game has tons of stupid stuff. You just have to deal with it.

[Dark_Geese]

We all know there can be no more than ten people who take that game seriously anyway. I’ll play you for $10.

I mean I’m down for playing damn near all SNK games, but GET SERIOUS.

$10…accepted…when and where you wanna go down with this???

I hope you’re ready…

Get serious is right…I take my Waku Waku 7 and SNK games seriously…

[Dark_Geese]

What game are you talking about? Cause you are wrong in every instance I can think of.

And for SNK sticking to 98/xi/ngbc… i cant agree less. Personally, I agree that we should pull the few BEST SNK games to compete in, having so many. Having spent the time to learn a lot of them this year, I can tell you that I would NOT put XI or NGBC on that list. (they are fun games, but i dont think they are the most tournament worthy). Thats a discussion for another topic though.

Fact is, Young Geese isnt even the best character in Neowave. You gonna ban Choi too?

Thank you…my point exactly…

As I say, Old School mentality vs. New school…and I get to hear it ALL.

:lol:

I get people that say ban Kain and Grant in Garou…Same shit here guys…

And trust me guys I value Josh and Keits input A LOT. We are very good friends…

:china:

[Rioting_Soul]

This is like complaining about 2p Duck King in KOFXI etc…wtf??? :wtf:

Elaborate plz.

[rogueyoshi]

Elaborate plz.

lol this comes up so much.
2P duck allegedly gains a better frame advantage when chaining into stand B. and i say allegedly because i haven’t actually bothered to test this myself yet, so im not sure.

[XTG]

Kain aint that big a deal, Grant is more of an ass but thats because he does serious damage per hit…

but a Waku Waku 7 tourney is just…yeah…

[Dark_Geese]

Waku Waku 7 just needs more exposure. NGBC was in its same position about 2 years ago…

Only a few played it…it just needs further consideration…and the right exposure.

[1_2Man1_2God]

Waku Waku 7 just needs more exposure. NGBC was in its same position about 2 years ago…

Only a few played it…it just needs further consideration…and the right exposure.

Waku Waku 7 is very short, and only has 7 characters…they need to make Waku Waku 16 or something.That game would have been so much better with more characters.I hated Teese so bad!!!

[ElderGOD]

Hello all, as of late I have felt the need to say something…

Perhaps part of why SNK players don’t get respect is the need for some of them to ban all kinds of shit that other communities would never stoop to.

Blatantly broken hidden characters? Fine. Capcom has ST Akuma, SNK has its infamously overpowered bosses.

But INFINITES?!? Are you fucking serious? Nobody is arguing that we should ban other 100% combos, and I still fail to see how infinites are any different. The Capcom community hasn’t banned infinites (except deadbody ones in Marvel, as those run out the clock forever and are wrong in many other ways)…hell, even the fucking DOA people allowed infinites in 3!

Even more hilariously, the SNK scene currently allows infinites in some games but not others. Mizuchi in NGBC? A-okay! But Akari in LB2? OH NOES! Seriously, I defy anybody to give me a coherent explanation for this.

You’re also not allowed to use Oswald’s unblockable in XI. Yes, he’s top tier (or very close, anyway), but so is Eddie in XX/#r/AC, and unblockables have always been allowed as a critical part of his game. And I don’t see how unblockables are any worse than infinites - both require you to work for that initial hit, and unblockables may not even be able to kill you!

And best of all, some people are clamoring to ban some of the characters in 98UM, BEFORE THE GAME EVEN FUCKING COMES OUT. I’ll let that speak for itself.

Of course, I know that there are two real reasons for all this:

1. Asian worship. This is the same disease that commonly afflicts the Guilty Gear community - the idea that whatever Japan (& China in SNK’s case) does is the best way to do it. This is what has led many GGXX players to seriously argue for team tournaments (and even a couple to argue for single-elimination tournaments!), and it is what has led to many of the various bans for SNK games.

2. The fear that these games will be ruined if such powerful tactics are allowed. This may be valid in some cases, but certainly not in others, as explained below.

So, what to do about this?

For starters, quit with the foreign dickriding. With how different our fighting-game scene is, trying to be just like the Asians is a losing route. Instead, I would recommend an “(almost) anything goes” policy; we 100% allow Old Sagat and Japan doesn’t, and that certainly hasn’t hurt our skill level in ST. Those who survive the bullshit are stronger players as a result of it, plain and simple.

And this will indeed hurt some games. Last Blade 2 stands out as an example, and another one is Ninja Master’s. SS Tenka, to a lesser extent.

So what, I say? If this really is the case, then these games do not deserve to be played competitively. There are so many other quality SNK fighters, even ones that have infinites and are still great tournament games (RB2, for starters)…and those are what we should focus on!

I truly believe that American SNK can become a force, something worth respecting…but we must first get past these mental barriers!

Just my .02,
Josh.

Agreed to some extent.

Biggest problem I got with SNK heads is that they keep trolling and starting shit with everyone else. It’s like back in the old days when they would force you to convert to Christianity or kill you.

Shit.

Just Shut The Fuck Up and play your game(s).

[Helter_Skelter]

It’s a shame I live in England. I like the idea of tournament organization.

Anyway, proposed ‘Geese Connections’ endorsed games.

The King Of Fighters '98 Ultimate Match
The King Of Fighters XI (maybe)
Garou Mark Of The Wolves

Anyway suggestions would be appreciated. I want to see the U.S SNK scene flourish.

[XTG]

Waku Waku 7 just needs more exposure. NGBC was in its same position about 2 years ago…

Only a few played it…it just needs further consideration…and the right exposure.

Lukus, people like some the appearance of seriousness in their fighting games. Waku Waku 7 lacks thats, NGBC was seriously right off the assembly line. Are you seriously using WW7 and NGBC together in an example to make your point?

edit - Elder, dont you mean “Geesetianity”? “CHI” will forever be remembered in infamy at KOF Cartel/KOF 4Ever

[Dark_Geese]

Helter- I intend on using those on the site without a doubt. :china:

XTG- Thing though is that still most people lac information about these games and it took a while to build some of them up to respectability like NGBC…thus thats why I am putting both in the same category. Thats the only point of association I am making between the two.

1/2 Man 1/2 God- I also Agree Waku Waku 7 needs more characters…and if people start to play it enough it could grow like NGBC enough to where SNKp needs to think about making a sequel…

[XTG]

Geese…i dont think people, in general, outright care for WW7 while they will care for NGBC because it doesnt look batshit crazy compared to WW7.

[Dark_Geese]

But on the contrary…people havent seen how crazy Waku Waku 7 is…

Its the ‘Arcana Heart of SNK’ (As JeRon said at NEC8)…almost…

People are judging off stuff they dont know about…

NGBC has more footage thanks to hard work by myself and others… There are practically NO Hardcore Waku Waku 7 tournament footage vids out there…

That shall change once all the NEC8 footage hits.

[Luigi-Bo_87]

Good shit Josh.
Kain isn’t that bad imo.

If I were in Geese’s shoes, I’d run:

WHP
Garou
RB2
SST
’98
2k2
And Just Ownin is God Tier!

[Omerta]

Waku Waku 7 just needs more exposure. NGBC was in its same position about 2 years ago…

Only a few played it…it just needs further consideration…and the right exposure.

No, Waku Waku 7 does not need more exposure. KOF98 and 2k2 need more exposure; RB2 and Garou need more exposure. Hell, even Breakers and WHP need the exposure more than fucking Ninja Masters, Waku waku 7 or any of the other random ass, obscure games that no one will ever take seriously.

Honestly, if youre the leader of the US SNK scene that youre making yourself out to be then you really need to promote the games that are best for the SNK community as a whole, not just the ones you like.

But back on topic. I agree with damn near everything the OPs said. If players just auto-banned Kain and Grant from Garou, we wouldnt have seen exactly how playable both characters really are. Id rather we wait and see when it comes to 98UM and not just auto ban every boss character until theyre proven to be broken (which I think many will be)

PS: Im still pissed that the Garou finals between Nocturnal and J. Wong werent recorded

[Dark_Geese]

And if you all notice I got my SNK tier list of games developed accordingly… (for the most part)

I hope the 2002 Rebout is still in work so we get an arcade perfect port of 2k2 finally…

[orochizoolander]

I agree with Josh because I can barely read the 98 UM thread anymore…

Its like hearing people bitch about NeoWave Geese all over again…sounding like old school arcade players that cant fathom the thought of gasp a Boss being PLAYABLE… :lol:

Agreed 100% and as much of an SNK fan i am (i still play 02/03 n neowave on XBL:sad:) i never checked out the 98 thread so would u mind telling me what makes it so unreadable?

What game are you talking about? Cause you are wrong in every instance I can think of.

And for SNK sticking to 98/xi/ngbc… i cant agree less. Personally, I agree that we should pull the few BEST SNK games to compete in, having so many. Having spent the time to learn a lot of them this year, I can tell you that I would NOT put XI or NGBC on that list. (they are fun games, but i dont think they are the most tournament worthy). Thats a discussion for another topic though.

Fact is, Young Geese isnt even the best character in Neowave. You gonna ban Choi too? Stop being a puss and learn to deal with the top tiers.

And I agree, his super is stupid… but being a high level fighting game player means accepting that EVERY game has tons of stupid stuff. You just have to deal with it.

Very well said and i completely agree on not using NGBC in tourney’s over other better SNK games bet whats wrong with kof11? i love the skill stock system what do you believe to be the best competitive snk games?

Am i the only one who would like to see DK setup a kof 01 or 02 tourney?:wonder:

[XTG]

UGH…comparing it to Arcana Heart just made me taste my own vomit…i dont particularly care to see WW7 footage, i really dont. I have a major abhorrence with Arcana Heart as well. I dont care if that game uses the latest technologies to bring arguably the best character sprites/models to date…with AH i really dislike that my choice of characters are all little girls…WW7 overall just looks goofy to me, even if there are some elite tactics/combos/footage/whatever. There may just be a reason why there are no hardcore WW7 footage, i mean…it would be like me playing Fatal Fury 1 and trying to galvanize people to play that game seriously when Fatal Fury Special already exists.